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Old October 1st, 2009, 07:03 PM   #741
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The JetTrain was first planned for the USA afaik. Now they have export plans, I don't see the need of a gas turbine powered train in the USA isn't it? Beside of this it's quite known Armtrack, and more generally public transportations, have been poorly supported by the state that favored both car and planes. With Houston having today the highest amount of Fortune 500 companies in the USA after NY (and before LA or Chicago) the influence of petroleum industry cannot be put aside.
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Old October 1st, 2009, 10:46 PM   #742
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Mais... nom d'une pipe, you seem to have a problem with my English? Of course Jettrain was developed for North America! I was merely citing other country examples to make it clear why North American railways might have to rely on a non-electric "high speed" train: a big part of their tracee is in the middle of nowhere. In this they ressemble Saudi Arabia. And, they differ from south western France and north western England. Enfin... c'est tout ce que je voulais dire!
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Old October 1st, 2009, 11:34 PM   #743
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I think the country that has shown the highest interest in the JetTrain is Australia, yet no export protocol has been formalized yet. Besides of this such a train must use an insane amount of gas. The TGV alone has two 8,500 hp engines, and even taking in considerationg the JetTrain wouldn't be as powerful (it would be about the same power as the Acela Express or 2*6,000 hp), the amount of gas needed to supply such power over a long distance would be purely enormous.
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Old October 4th, 2009, 09:18 AM   #744
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I don't believe this is going to happen at all.
1.Not a chance. Japan, France, Germany Russia and even China actually have something called manufacturing capacity left. US probably can't even produce the seamless steel required to make the highspeed tracks.
2.Who's going to operate the trains and lay the tracks? lazy union workers?
Amtrak can't even get a electronic ticketing system in place out of fear of laying off unionized ticketpunchers.

Obama cannot deliver his promises, like pulling out of iraq, public option healthcare. Same for this one.
3.Airline lobbies will block any significant funding in congress.

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Old October 4th, 2009, 09:21 AM   #745
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Look at how southwestern airlines killed the texas highspeed train.
And how cinncinnati city council banned any form of rail transportation including streetcars. The state and local government would be a pain to deal with. Besides, a project of this scale require hundreds of billions at least. The US national debt is already at a whopping $60,100 per head of the U.S. working population,as of February 2008. Can't pay for the train system even if you wanted to.
30 years from now, people from Europe and East Asia would probably look at US the same way we look at detroit today. The whole USA would become a giant detroit.

Bottom line: I bet you 200 dollars you won't see a highspeed rail from chicago to new york even in 2030, I dare say that much.

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Old October 5th, 2009, 05:42 AM   #746
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I don't believe this is going to happen at all.
1.Not a chance. Japan, France, Germany Russia and even China actually have something called manufacturing capacity left. US probably can't even produce the seamless steel required to make the highspeed tracks.
The U.S. is still the top manufacturing nation in the world. We aren't the leading steel producer anymore, but we are the 3rd after China and Japan.
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Old October 5th, 2009, 09:56 PM   #747
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The U.S. is still the top manufacturing nation in the world. We aren't the leading steel producer anymore, but we are the 3rd after China and Japan.
Third, by a wide margin.

New york/new jersey transit have to buy trains from bombadier. Why? Because the US can't even manufacture subway rolling stocks anymore.
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Old October 5th, 2009, 11:36 PM   #748
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Third, by a wide margin.

New york/new jersey transit have to buy trains from bombadier. Why? Because the US can't even manufacture subway rolling stocks anymore.
It's true, I believe the only US based train operation would be GE's locomotives. Anything related to transit etc in North America is Bombardier. Other companies have establishments in the USA like Bombardier, Siemens, and Alstom to name a few but none are based here.
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Old October 6th, 2009, 01:42 AM   #749
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EMD isn't based in NA?

There is a smaller company, Motive Power Inc, in Idaho. Their diesel-electrics have fantastic acceleration.
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Old October 6th, 2009, 06:55 AM   #750
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EMD isn't based in NA?

There is a smaller company, Motive Power Inc, in Idaho. Their diesel-electrics have fantastic acceleration.
EMD (now 'Electro-Motive Diesel') is based in Canada (London, ON).

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I beleave by 2017 they will have 3 lines in operation and another 5 on the way. Chicago-NYC, DC to Atlanta , Empire Line. Don't under estimate the US in construction. alot cities these days have Light Rail or are building Regional rail. The US won't go backwards , but only forward. i don't expect a large network , but one primary in the Midwest and East Coast. I think the top speed on our network will be around 200 mph. I have insider knowledge that they will use mostly old abandoned routes and Freight lines to cut costs on some of the networks. I beleave in my Country , unlike many of you. we built all these Interstates for the Car spike , now we can build these High Speed rails. It my not be to the liking of many people but we will. By 2030 we will have a large Commuter network linking our outer cities with our larger ones. so those who say we won't , budd out.

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Old October 6th, 2009, 07:39 AM   #752
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Look at how southwestern airlines killed the texas highspeed train.
And how cinncinnati city council banned any form of rail transportation including streetcars. The state and local government would be a pain to deal with. Besides, a project of this scale require hundreds of billions at least. The US national debt is already at a whopping $60,100 per head of the U.S. working population,as of February 2008. Can't pay for the train system even if you wanted to.
30 years from now, people from Europe and East Asia would probably look at US the same way we look at detroit today. The whole USA would become a giant detroit.

Bottom line: I bet you 200 dollars you won't see a highspeed rail from chicago to new york even in 2030, I dare say that much.
What's will all the US bashing? You have no clue what you're talking about.
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Old October 6th, 2009, 10:16 PM   #753
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Its gonna cost so much to get real HSR in the USA working properly. Each line will need 180-200Mph running to cover the huge distances, and even then the trains need to run once an hour, not the current once a day like in some south western long distance routes. Prices need to be low...

...and the most important thing is that each station will need a lot of infrastructure to support it, in cities which are very car orientated. Like park and ride, huge car parks and rental cars etc...

I would also like to see trains that are not just locomotives the size of a house pulling coaches that are basically 80s styled unpainted trucks...running at 90Mph max speed... :S
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Yeah and the US successive govs (all of them) have to understand there are other electricity sources than coal or gas.
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I beleave by 2017 they will have 3 lines in operation and another 5 on the way. Chicago-NYC, DC to Atlanta , Empire Line. Don't under estimate the US in construction. alot cities these days have Light Rail or are building Regional rail. The US won't go backwards , but only forward. i don't expect a large network , but one primary in the Midwest and East Coast. I think the top speed on our network will be around 200 mph. I have insider knowledge that they will use mostly old abandoned routes and Freight lines to cut costs on some of the networks. I beleave in my Country , unlike many of you. we built all these Interstates for the Car spike , now we can build these High Speed rails. It my not be to the liking of many people but we will. By 2030 we will have a large Commuter network linking our outer cities with our larger ones. so those who say we won't , budd out.

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Old October 7th, 2009, 12:57 AM   #756
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Yeah and the US successive govs (all of them) have to understand there are other electricity sources than coal or gas.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 03:55 AM   #758
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2.Who's going to operate the trains and lay the tracks? lazy union workers?
France and Japan have rail unions as well and their workers aren't lazy. Amtrak employees are NOT lazy. Take your stereotypes and shove it.
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Its gonna cost so much to get real HSR in the USA working properly. Each line will need 180-200Mph running to cover the huge distances, and even then the trains need to run once an hour, not the current once a day like in some south western long distance routes. Prices need to be low...

...and the most important thing is that each station will need a lot of infrastructure to support it, in cities which are very car orientated. Like park and ride, huge car parks and rental cars etc...

I would also like to see trains that are not just locomotives the size of a house pulling coaches that are basically 80s styled unpainted trucks...running at 90Mph max speed... :S
It cost a lot to build the interstate highway network and airports as well.

Most of the major U.S. cities either have or will have light rail/subway systems in the next few years. Seattle opened its first light rail line a couple of months ago and Phoenix opened its first light rail line last December.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 04:42 PM   #760
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afaik nuclear energy is still pretty marginal in the USA. Fossil energy sources are still the leading energy sources in 2009.

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