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Old June 13th, 2010, 07:43 PM   #1601
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Has construction even started in one of the proposed routes? Are you guys worried that if the Republicans get into power, they will pull the plug on this plan?
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Old June 14th, 2010, 04:57 AM   #1602
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It is actually impossible for them to do that even if they win every election in Novermber. They would either need the presidency or to win enough senate seats to overrule the president (67 I think) which is not going to happen in this up coming election.

To answer your question, yes some lines are starting. Early next year a Tampa to Orlando HSR line is set to begin. Read more below.

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FDOT WILL BEGIN TAKING BIDS FOR TWO CONTRACTS IN OCTOBER
High-speed rail construction to start in early 2011



By Charles Gonzalez
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Published: Saturday, June 12, 2010 at 4:01 a.m.
Last Modified: Saturday, June 12, 2010 at 1:49 a.m.

HAINES CITY - Initial construction on Florida's high-speed rail system is projected to begin in February or March, participants and visitors at a regional transportation meeting learned Friday.


Planning organization representatives from Polk, Lake, Brevard, Hillsborough and several other counties met at Haines City's Lake Eva Banquet Hall to discuss a range of transportation issues, but high-speed rail was the topic that drew the most interest from the public.

Several audience members left the meeting after the conversation turned from high-speed rail to other matters.

Kevin Thibault, the interim executive director of Florida Rail Enterprise, spoke extensively about multiple aspects of the high-speed rail system. He said that in October, the Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT) will begin accepting bids on two contracts, one for an "early-works" project and the other for a company that will design, build and maintain the rail system.

In May, Florida received $66.6 million in federal transportation funding to pay for the rail early-works project. FDOT has projected a $1.25 billion cost to complete the high-speed rail system, which Thibault said could begin carrying passengers in early 2015.

The early-works project will include median work along the Interstate 4 corridor from Tampa to Orlando, Thibault said. Barriers must go up along the corridor to keep vehicle traffic away from the high-speed rail, he said, adding that sign replacement and utilities work are included in the project.

"This is just the beginning of something that will be unique, and we are the first in the country to do this," Thibault said. "We have the ability to set the stage for something big that will impact not just Florida but other states as well."

Thibault said California and Illinois also are exploring opportunities for high-speed rail.

The initial goal for Florida Rail Enterprise is to have a high-speed rail route from Tampa to Orlando. Once that route is completed, another route from Orlando to Miami will be constructed.

Thibault said the long-term goal is to create a high-speed rail system that has connections all over the state.

Earlier this year, the Polk County Transportation Planning Organization (TPO) recommended to the FDOT two possible Polk sites for a high-speed rail station along the Interstate 4 corridor - a site near the future University of South Florida Polytechnic campus between Auburndale and Lakeland and a site off Kathleen Road in Lakeland.

"We mandated a requirement that there be a stop in Lakeland," Thibault said.

He said that this summer, the rail authority will run tests to make sure there aren't any "environmental issues" in the proposed high-speed rail path in Polk County.

Two organizations represented at the Friday meeting, the Central Florida Metropolitan Planning Organization Alliance and the West Central Florida Chairs Coordinating Committee, voted unanimously on a resolution of support for Florida high-speed rail.

Danny Ours, the interim executive director of the Polk Transit Authority, said the vote was just a formality. He said emphasis on high-speed rail is coming from the neighboring TPOs because Florida has been neglected by the federal government in past distribution of transportation funds.

"There is a tremendous momentum building here, and it's starting to come to a head," Ours said, referring to the high-speed rail project. "This is the first piece, albeit a small piece, but it's needed and the government can't afford for this to fail."

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Old June 14th, 2010, 08:02 PM   #1603
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Let's hope they do so, but me at least, I don't really think it will happen (so soon I mean).
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Old June 16th, 2010, 12:14 AM   #1604
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What's about Desertexpress (Las Vegas - California)? I think they are supposed to start construction soon too.
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Old June 16th, 2010, 12:58 AM   #1605
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Let's hope they do so, but me at least, I don't really think it will happen (so soon I mean).
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They already have the money, it's going to happen.
DesertXpress is starting next year as well.
The CHSR system is basically a done deal also, but that wont start till 2012.
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Old June 16th, 2010, 04:28 AM   #1606
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Assuming that all the money needed is available (for florida, california, northeast, etc) how long would the construction take? I'm putting my bets on around 5 years?
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Old June 16th, 2010, 05:37 AM   #1607
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Some planned Intercity / HSR Northeastern Maps







I call them the 2030 plans , because thats the targeted date of completion of the whole projects. Most Cities are also planning or about to build a small to large Streetcar network or feeder Light Rail or Bus Rapid Transit lines into there core / Station form Suburbs.
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Old June 16th, 2010, 07:09 AM   #1608
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HAINES CITY - Initial construction on Florida's high-speed rail system is projected to begin in February or March, participants and visitors at a regional transportation meeting learned Friday.
Well... they've got it easy! When we undertake such projects in Europe, at least the first two years need to go into archeological surveys and the removal of unexploded ordnance. But, I guess Florida does not have a wealth of Roman ruins and has not hosted an invasion since Mr Madison's war...
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Old June 16th, 2010, 09:02 AM   #1609
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Los Angeles conference to feature Chinese, German and Spanish high-speed rail systems

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A two-day international conference on high-speed rail systems held later in the week will bring together industrial front-runners from countries including China, Germany and Spain to offer insight into their expertise in the field, the organizers said Tuesday.

"We're fortunate and excited that executives from companies involved in high-speed rail projects in China, Germany, Spain and across the globe will be joining us at High Speed Rail: 2010 to profile their projects and showcase what's possible here in the United States," said Andy Kunz, Chief Executive Officer and President of the U.S. High Speed Rail Association.

The meeting, which will be held by the U.S. High Speed Rail Association at the Hilton Universal City, Los Angeles, from June 17-18 will gather global rail industry executives, as well as policy makers, civic leaders, transportation officials and business people from across California and the United States, the organizers said in a press release.

The conference will explore a range of topics aimed at providing a closer look at plans, processes, pathways and potential for a high-speed rail system in California and other parts of the United States, organizers said.

Global leaders including China, Germany and Spain "will help deliver the blueprint, best practices and master plan for High Speed Rail in America," said Thomas A. Hart, the U.S. High Speed Rail Association's vice president for government affairs.

The first high-speed rail systems in the United States will be completed by 2020 in California, linking Los Angeles with San Francisco. It is expected to pump about 4.3 billion U.S. dollars each year into Los Angeles's regional economy and create about 55, 000 permanent jobs, the U.S. Conference of Mayors said on Tuesday.

Governments and private companies in some countries are designing, building and successfully operating and expanding high- speed rail systems, and exporting that technology to new entrants.

In China, for instance, nearly 1,200 miles (1931 km) of high- speed rail lines carrying trains capable of traveling 200 (322 km) mph and faster are opening this year alone, extending a massive green transportation system being expedited in that country, according to the organizers.

In Spain, another industry leader, high-speed trains already are navigating a varied geography through an impressive network of tunnels, as the country hopes to have a high-speed rail station within 30 miles (48 km) of most Spanish citizens in 10 years, the press release said.
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Old June 16th, 2010, 09:04 AM   #1610
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NY explores ways to fund high-speed rail

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New York must make a long-term commitment to a high-speed rail system if the state expects the program to yield economic benefits.

“The key is, it must be sustainable. An initial investment will not continue to support the initiative,” said Michael Tucker, president and CEO of the Albany-based Center for Economic Growth.

That was one of the messages delivered at Monday’s high speed-rail summit held at the University at Albany’s College of Nanoscale Science and Engineering. The event, which attracted 300 transportation, economic development and rail industry experts, was sponsored by Empire State Development Corp. and the state Department of Transportation.

Tucker made his comments during one of the five forums held at the day-long summit.

New York, which faces a $9.2 billion deficit, wants to upgrade the 263-mile Empire Corridor for high-speed passenger travel but does not have a long-term investment plan for the project. It would cost at least $3 billion to convert the corridor, which runs from New York City to Buffalo.

Earlier in the day, state Senate President Malcolm Smith, D-Queens, said the 2010-11 budget commits some funds to advance high-speed rail. Gov. David Paterson’s office said last week that the executive budget contains $51 million over two years for rail improvements. Most of that money will be used to upgrade other rail projects.

Smith said state legislators may create a rail authority that could borrow funds to advance a high-speed passenger system. Government-created authorities operate independently and have legal power to bond projects.

A counsel general from China who attended Monday’s summit told Smith his country is interested in loaning money for portions of the project, much like it has done in other countries. China recognizes that manufacturing for the project would be done in New York, Smith said.

As many as 3,500 workers in upstate New York are employed by 30 companies that manufacture railroad equipment and generate a combined $750 million in revenue, state officials said.

John Parisella, a delegate general from Quebec, said Canada wants to extend the rail system to Quebec and is willing to finance rail corridors beyond its own borders. Canada does a lot of trade with New York and much of the business comes from small- to medium-sized companies, he said.

Currently, passenger trains traveling north from New York City average speeds of 58 miles per hour. The goal is to increase speeds to 110 mph initially, and eventually to 150 mph, said U.S. Rep. Louise Slaughter, D-Fairport, a long-time proponent of high-speed rail.

Slaughter called New York’s current system an “embarrassment that is falling apart.”

New York received $151 million in first-round stimulus funds to advance high-speed rail along its Empire Corridor. Of that amount, $90 million will be used to build a second track from Rensselaer to Schenectady.

In a perfect world, the tracks from Albany to Buffalo could be completed in 2 1/2 years, Slaughter said. Actually, the improvements would be built in increments and take much longer.

Slaughter said the rail corridor has plenty of space for a third track; it once had four tracks before the system deteriorated.

Parisella and others praised rail’s eco-friendly benefits, citing the advantages of having fewer cars on the road, fewer greenhouse gas emissions and less reliance on foreign oil.

President Obama designated $2.5 billion of stimulus money for a second round of rail funding in 2010. Applications for that money are due later this summer, said Marie Corrado, director of DOT’s Major Projects Office. A long-term goal is to connect the Empire Corridor to large cities in other states, Corrado said.

Petra Todorovich is director of America 2050, a planning organization based in New York City.

Todorovich said it’s impossible to determine a cost-benefit analysis for rail because there are so many variables.

“One thing we know is that rail doesn’t pay for itself. And it shouldn’t,” she said. “New York City’s subway system doesn’t pay for itself, but it’s necessary for economic growth.
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Old June 22nd, 2010, 05:43 PM   #1611
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http://www.insidebayarea.com/oakland...ws/ci_15349069

There is some wacky bill at California legislature.

The bill could ban all corporations and foreign governments who played a role in Holocaust from working on California High Speed Rail project.

This bill would disqualify not only Germans, but also French railway operator SNCF, because SNCF's railways shipped Jewish prisoners to Auschwitz.

If this bill becomes a law, then the bidding landscape would look very interesting, with German and French bids eliminated. With Japanese Shinkansen bid also unlikely in California due to track share issues and also Chinese bid due to safety concerns and intellectual property rights issues, there is no one left to build the railway.

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Old June 22nd, 2010, 06:01 PM   #1612
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There is some wacky bill at California legislature.

The bill could ban all corporations and foreign governments who played a role in Holocaust from working on California High Speed Rail project.

This bill would disqualify not only Germans, but also French railway operator SNCF, because SNCF's railways shipped Jewish prisoners to Auschwitz.

If this bill becomes a law, then the bidding landscape would look very interesting, with German and French bids eliminated. With Japanese Shinkansen bid also unlikely in California due to track share issues and also Chinese bid due to safety concerns and intellectual property rights issues, there is no one left to build the railway.
Spanish or Koreans.
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Old June 22nd, 2010, 06:43 PM   #1613
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Spanish or Koreans.
Spanish Talgo is not fully Spanish, power car is from Bombardier.

Korean KTX-II is fully UIC compliant and could run on shared mixed traffic tracks under the FRA's new rule unlike Shinkansen and CSR's CRH380A, but Koreans are unable to come up with a $10 billion+ construction loan offer that is attached to Japanese and Chinese bids.

Well, there is at least one major competitor still left and that's Bombardier, but will Canadian government come up with a $10 billion+ loan guarantee?
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Old June 22nd, 2010, 06:47 PM   #1614
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Spanish Talgo is not fully Spanish, power car is from Bombardier.

Korean KTX-II is fully UIC compliant and could run on shared mixed traffic tracks under the FRA's new rule unlike Shinkansen and CSR's CRH380A, but Koreans are unable to come up with a $10 billion+ construction loan offer that is attached to Japanese and Chinese bids.

Well, there is at least one major competitor still left and that's Bombardier, but will Canadian government come up with a $10 billion+ loan guarantee?
Pretty sure Bombardier's German side had some involvement in the Holocaust. ADtranz.
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Old June 22nd, 2010, 07:13 PM   #1615
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This is a pointless discussion seeing as the bill will never pass.
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 01:31 AM   #1616
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I don't see what's the point of the bill...any person old enough to have any major responsibility for the holocaust is either dead or retired. I don't see why modern companies have to be punished for something their long gone predecessors did.
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 02:18 AM   #1617
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don't feed him..
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 02:26 AM   #1618
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Are you referring to me or the troll who introduced this bill?
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 03:48 AM   #1619
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Are you referring to me or the troll who introduced this bill?
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 03:36 PM   #1620
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Spanish or Koreans.
Nope, Spanish would be evicted too if this bid passes. Franco was allied to Hitler and Mussolini.

Anyway, this bill is idiotic and whoever even thought of proposing it needs to check with a psychiatrist.
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