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Old August 8th, 2006, 12:18 AM   #161
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Old August 9th, 2006, 09:10 AM   #162
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The thread isnt about toronto-ny, its about Montreal-ny, which i think makes even less sense...
Why should it make less sense? The governer of Quebec states in that article that Montreal's main trading partner is New York.
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Old August 9th, 2006, 09:50 AM   #163
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Why should it make less sense? The governer of Quebec states in that article that Montreal's main trading partner is New York.
we don't have governors in Canada, we have "Premiers" who lead our provinces.
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Old August 9th, 2006, 08:26 PM   #164
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Why should it make less sense? The governer of Quebec states in that article that Montreal's main trading partner is New York.
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It has been firmly established beyond question that Ontario is Quebecs biggest trading partner, not New York State.
Out of the wikipedia article and Taller, better's comment, I think the second one would have more basis.
Secondly, trade patterns usually have very little to do with passenger travel patterns. I.E. most of America's stuff comes from China. How many people regularly go back and forth to China?
And I stated that Toronto-NY makes little sense, but makes more sense than Montreal-NY because it passes through many more urban areas.
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Old January 19th, 2007, 08:54 AM   #165
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Should the US build or improve it's HSR network?

The US being the most developed country is still lagging behind Europe or Asia when it come to high speed railways for passenger use. The Amtrak though has the Acela but it's not enough to be considered "high speed" rail.

There were plans of building a high speed train network in some areas such as California but never went to effect.

Do you think the government or private corporations should invest in improving it's commuter rail network or even building up a high speed network from the east coast to the west? Do you think American citizen would benefit from it or are they better off buying a nice car or SUV and travel around the highways?
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Old January 19th, 2007, 09:01 AM   #166
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Amtrak can barely get on its feet. If they can't sustain conventional rail, good luck with HSR.
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Old January 19th, 2007, 02:15 PM   #167
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Actually HSR is usually more profitable than conventional rail,. The problem is that the capital lockup is enormous.
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Old January 19th, 2007, 04:27 PM   #168
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Old January 19th, 2007, 05:52 PM   #169
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It certainly should improve its passenger rail network - both high speed and regular. But I don't think it can or should be done using the current Amtrak system. I believe we need to develop a national rail infrastructure - meaning tracks, signalling, control, and stations - either using the current system or building from scratch. I would start off with nationalized service to get things started, but eventually I would hope that private operators would take over the trains themselves, simillar to how our air travel system works. This would require improvements in rail traffic control, and certainly a lot of building, but in the long run I think those things would help the economy.
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Old January 19th, 2007, 07:26 PM   #170
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Isn't this kind of like asking "should there be peace in the world"?
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Old January 19th, 2007, 07:57 PM   #171
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No, not really. HSL's are extremely expensive to build, that's why they're only viable between large cities. In Europe, HSL's can be found between large cities like Brussels and Paris, Cologne and Frankfurt or Rome and Naples.

That's why the US should concentrate on corridors between large cities like Boston, NY, Philly, Baltimore and DC; Chicago, Detroit and Cleveland or Los Angeles and SF. That would provide an interesting and attractive alternative to flying.
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Old January 19th, 2007, 10:55 PM   #172
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The more traffic on rails, the better.
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Old January 19th, 2007, 11:48 PM   #173
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Should it? Probably. Will it? Not a chance.


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Old January 20th, 2007, 05:21 AM   #174
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there was plans (or talk) of a HSR linking houston, austin, san antonio and dallas but it's only a pipe dream
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Old January 20th, 2007, 05:45 AM   #175
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The US being the most developed country is still lagging behind Europe or Asia when it come to high speed railways for passenger use. The Amtrak though has the Acela but it's not enough to be considered "high speed" rail.

There were plans of building a high speed train network in some areas such as California but never went to effect.

Do you think the government or private corporations should invest in improving it's commuter rail network or even building up a high speed network from the east coast to the west? Do you think American citizen would benefit from it or are they better off buying a nice car or SUV and travel around the highways?

From east coast to west? Unless it would Maglev (which would prohibitively expensive) or the fast HSR to date I would say no. The U.S. is just not densely populated enough to warrant a frequent HSR from one coast to another. Planes fit a much better role for coast to coast travel. HSR should be broken up into high density regions before trying to build a national network. Also it would have to improve rail infrastructue within the major cities that such HSR would feed into.
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Old January 20th, 2007, 05:54 AM   #176
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\The U.S. is just not densely populated enough to warrant a frequent HSR from one coast to another. Planes fit a much better role for coast to coast travel. HSR should be broken up into high density regions before trying to build a national network. Also it would have to improve rail infrastructue within the major cities that such HSR would feed into.
Exactly, hence why the only "high speed line" in the US currently running (the accela) runs between Boston and DC, the most densly populated corridor in the country. I've also heard (not certain on this, feel free to correct me) that this is the only line in all of amtrak that operates at a profit.
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Old January 20th, 2007, 05:57 AM   #177
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I am not sure it is the only one that runs at a profit but it is easily its biggest revenue maker.
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Old January 20th, 2007, 06:21 PM   #178
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The U.S. is just not densely populated enough to warrant a frequent HSR from one coast to another.
Why does everyone always assume that a HSR is going to have to run directly from the east coast to the west coast? With the exception of NYC to LA, there really isn't a really big cross-country route even for air travel. People aren't looking to go from coast to coast, they want to get to Chicago, to Phillidelphia, to St. Louis or Denver. Few people are going to be crossing the full distance. A train running at 180mph for 10 hours can cover quite a good chunk of the US.

But what is needed is a network. Not just a line, a network, which allows multiple connections to multiple cities.
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Old January 20th, 2007, 06:31 PM   #179
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We had plans for a bullet train from Tampa to Orlando but they decided it was too expensive and canceled it.
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Old January 20th, 2007, 08:02 PM   #180
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Like I posted in the Amtrak topic, trains are a much better solution in respect to the environment. So I think the focus should be more on rail transportation in more densely populated areas in the US. In this way the dependence on fossil fuels and air pollution can be decreased.
It would be interesting if an efficient passenger rail service could be set up and promoted in a region such as California (for instance, a Sacramento-San Francisco-San José-Fresno-Bakersfield-Los Angeles train service). Of course this would go hand in hand with the construction of a commuter rail network.
In the long run there may be even longer distance trains which connect all mayor cities on the west coast, and the same goes for the east-coast. The maximum speeds of hs-trains are already above 500 km/h! However, I do think that intercoastal transport will probably always be most efficient by air.
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