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Old August 13th, 2011, 01:26 AM   #21
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im surprised the northern endpoint isnt the sunshine coast, its a 1/4 million people
Hah! I'm in Noosa right now! It's probably have to be at the southern end of the Coast as Noosa and the area is pretty small in terms of population. Maybe a link from the station with light rail or something else like that would cut it
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Old August 13th, 2011, 02:22 PM   #22
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I know that most of the proposed routes go through areas that have historically been of concern to environmentalists. Anyone care to detail that aspect of this issue?
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Old August 13th, 2011, 05:49 PM   #23
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Hey aquaticko. Have a read of the High Speed Rail Phase One Report. It details quite well the environmental issues related to each corridor considered. It is a very worthwhile read anyhow

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/rai...eed/index.aspx
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Old August 13th, 2011, 06:17 PM   #24
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Hah! I'm in Noosa right now! It's probably have to be at the southern end of the Coast as Noosa and the area is pretty small in terms of population. Maybe a link from the station with light rail or something else like that would cut it
i didnt mean noosa, i meant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Coast,_Queensland


its about 100 kms north of Brisbane, which would be an ideal distance for another HS stop
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Old August 14th, 2011, 03:52 PM   #25
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i didnt mean noosa, i meant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Coast,_Queensland


its about 100 kms north of Brisbane, which would be an ideal distance for another HS stop
The Sunshine Coast is a collection of small settlements. The largest centre is actually Noosa. The Sunshine coast itself covers an area of 462.4 square km.
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The Sunshine Coast is a collection of small settlements. The largest centre is actually Noosa. The Sunshine coast itself covers an area of 462.4 square km.
Really? I thought the Maroochy/Mooloolaba or Caloundra areas would have more people?
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Really? I thought the Maroochy/Mooloolaba or Caloundra areas would have more people?
I don't have up-to-date population statistics, but here are how I read them:

Caloundra: 41,293
Maroochydore: 49,743 (with 7,376 in Mooloolaba)
Noosa: 51,962

So for single area it's Noosa, but Maroochydore/Mooloolaba together are bigger, but not by much. The whole area is highly dispersed really and can't be called a contiguous area, hence my comment that it's not really appropriate to view the Sunshine coast as a single entity that justifies a high speed rail link.
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Old August 15th, 2011, 02:36 PM   #28
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I would have thought the biggest priority would be relieving Sydney airport, and therefore eliminating flights.

So Sydney - Canberra would probably make most sense as a first phase? Followed by Newcastle, and then obviously Melbourne.

I'd be interested in hearing what people would suggest for serving the Gold Coast.
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Old August 15th, 2011, 04:37 PM   #29
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Hey aquaticko. Have a read of the High Speed Rail Phase One Report. It details quite well the environmental issues related to each corridor considered. It is a very worthwhile read anyhow

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/rai...eed/index.aspx
Much obliged.
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I don't have up-to-date population statistics, but here are how I read them:

Caloundra: 41,293
Maroochydore: 49,743 (with 7,376 in Mooloolaba)
Noosa: 51,962

So for single area it's Noosa, but Maroochydore/Mooloolaba together are bigger, but not by much. The whole area is highly dispersed really and can't be called a contiguous area, hence my comment that it's not really appropriate to view the Sunshine coast as a single entity that justifies a high speed rail link.
True. And also with the CAMCOS study hopefully resulting in a rail link to Maroochydore, it would make not much sense to have HSR terminating there. (But at this rate, Maroochy will have its train slower than Birmingham will have its HS2 )
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Old August 16th, 2011, 12:36 AM   #31
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Now if the region was connected by regional express trains travelling at 180-200 km/h, that would probably be ok for a connection. With the towns having less than 250k, it is not viable for a true HS train. Connecting the Gold Coast to HSR should eliminate backlog at Sidney airport by taking away the need for the short haul flights.
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Old August 25th, 2011, 01:29 AM   #32
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You just know the likelihood of such an HSR installation's nil when no scale denoting the distances
in --say-- kilometres ain't indicated...
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I saw that video a while ago, the train itself looks like some kind of cyberpunk monstrosity
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Old January 9th, 2012, 08:03 PM   #35
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Whoever drew this map appearing in the video was probably high when he did it. HSR between Adelaide and Perth? Perth, Broome and Darwin? HSR best factor is the fact that it can stop in between end point cities and therefore it serves more population and does it faster, but it is not a direct substitute to air travel when airports exist between cities unless total travel time is lower and for that to happen distances can't be too long, i.e. people would still travel by airplane between Melbourne and Brisbane, but maybe not between Canberra and Melbourne. What is there between Perth and Broome? Port Hedland?... not to mention the infrastructure nightmare to bring enough electricity to all sections of the rail.
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Old January 9th, 2012, 09:52 PM   #36
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Hmmm, lofty interiors and all indeed ... it must've been some uni project ... plus I never bothered musing how come the landscape's white as ____ ... my, there's even a spur launched off Cape York twixt the Gulf of Carpentaria and Coral Sea I fess up, I'd only kept glancing at the production because due to its neverending whiteout condition ...
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You just know the likelihood of such an HSR installation's nil when no scale denoting the distances
in --say-- kilometres ain't indicated...
If you compare it to existing lines in France, it's not that much further, Paris - Lyon is only slightly less then Melbourne - Camberra, that would result to about 2 hours. Camberra - Sydney is even less.

Actually perfect distances for HSR of the latest generation (>300km/h).

Honestly I think those regional and parkways stations doesn't make a lot of sense, or there should at least be direct trains who skip them.
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Old January 9th, 2012, 11:07 PM   #38
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Hmmm, I've found myself thinking lately that stops at airports are probably necessary
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Stops at the airports are a good idea IMO, especially in Melbourne where the new HSR would serve the airport link exclusively. They don't have the same problem as regional stations have, as the train wouldn't have reached the top speed anyway between the city and the airport.
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