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Old April 21st, 2012, 01:26 PM   #41
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THE CEO of the Australasian Railway Association, Mr Bryan Nye, is calling on the Australian government to consider high-speed rail as part of the solution to solving the growing congestion at Sydney's only airport, rather than looking at the needs of air transport in isolation.

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Old May 9th, 2012, 09:43 AM   #42
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I've always thought that an HSR link should have a stop at SYD airport, Wollongong, Canberra and Melbourne (possibly Melbourne airport as well).

North, there should be service to Newcastle initially, and then further up to Brisbane via Gold Coast. I'm not quite sure about populations along this route, so I don't know where else services should stop.

One of the barriers to HSR are the airlines. So instead of a second Sydney airport, have the HSR operate to Kingsford-Smith, and allow Qantas and Virgin to possibly give the HSR services flight numbers and give them the ability to sell train tickets as part of flights.

For instance, for Qantas, they would want to have people traveling from Melbourne to Dallas go through SYD, so even with HSR, they would still need flights to allow this, unless they can sell tickets on the HSR, and have Melbourne passengers take the train straight to SYD airport and then connect to a flight, as if it was a normal flight to flight connection.

I really hope HSR comes through, and believe that the East Coast corridor is a good place for one. But not a half-assed one, but HSR that can and will achieve high speeds to actually make taking the train from Melbourne to Sydney worth it over air travel.
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Old June 23rd, 2012, 05:34 PM   #43
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I'm a bit disappointed by several things that Aecom have done, or overlooked.

One is their estimates of costings, particularly tunnels, has not had much effort put into it. They seem to be picking numbers they feel comfortable won't be exceeded, and then particularly in the case of tunnels, citing examples they feel make the case. But the examples chosen are to say the least, problematic.

There's not first principles approach to costing based on real engineering measures - the use of steel, concrete energy etc. The process deserves a good hard look from a dedicated engineering consultancy given the task of looking at the process of construction in detail and coming up with better ways to be more cost effective.

When I did get on the phone to Aecom the one guy there I did manage to talk with did admit to me a few things. One of them was that the cost of tunneling (per Km) should benefit from economies of scale, so their estimates could be high.

In case you're wondering, Aecom are the people who the government have gotten to do the Phase I study, and are now doing the Phase II. Personally I would have chosen Arup. Compare Aecom's efforts to say the study done by Arup on the HS2 project in the UK and you'll see a world of difference in attention to detail.
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Old June 23rd, 2012, 05:43 PM   #44
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I'm a bit disappointed by several things that Aecom have done, or overlooked.
A major omission occurred in the Phase I study. I'll explain how it came about. Aecom has a set of assumptions that they simply follow through to conclusions without revisiting the assumptions.

One of those is that if they were to include Wollongong then it would have to be included as a through stop between Sydney and Canberra.

No thought at all was given to the alternative option of connecting Wollongong via a spur line. And when you think about it, its a much more sensible approach.

Instead of descending the escarpment into Wollongong to get to Wollongong, and then ascending afterwards, you only need to deal with the escarpment once.

The best route would be a spur line connecting with the main line south of Campbelltown. It would then travel over the relatively flat escarpment, then descent through a tunnel (about 14Km) into Wollongong.

You could easily connect it with the existing rail line and use the existing (albeit upgraded) station.

You could even run high speed trains on the conventional track collecting passengers from stops north of Wollongong.

This entire solution has gotten ignored because in the first instance Aecom simply ignored the possibility of a spur line.

What's even stranger is that they did use the idea of a spur line for Canberra, and for Newcastle apparently.

Since the report came out there's been public meetings where the representative from the Department of Infrastructure has told people only about the options considered by Aecom. This is where process goes horribly wrong.

I've written to the Department and they've not even had the courtesy of a response. I've also taken this up with the sorts of people who you'd think would have a keen interest. Like the Regional development people from Wollongong, and the media there.

No one has taken the least interest.

What does it take, and who do you need to call to find someone who will listen?
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Old April 10th, 2014, 03:50 PM   #45
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Australia’s east coast high-speed rail system could be delivered by 2025
10 APR, 2014

Australia’s first high-speed railway could be completed 40 years earlier than originally thought and $30 billion cheaper, a new report has suggested.

Looking at similar projects around the world, a new study from the climate change thinktank Beyond Zero Emissions (BZE) has concluded that a 1,799-kilometre high-speed line between Melbourne and Brisbane could be constructed by 2025.

Not only could the route be completed much earlier, it could be built much cheaper. BZE, in collaboration with the German Aerospace Centre (DLR) and the University of Melbourne’s Energy Research Institute, estimated that the line could be constructed for $84 billion, including infrastructure costs, new rolling stock, project management and contingency

Last year, the Australian government published its own report in which it predicted that the line, which would connect Brisbane, the Gold Coast, Newcastle, Sydney, Canberra and Melbourne along the east coast, would be fully operational by 2065 and cost in the region of $114 billion.

The new report, which has taken two years to complete, estimates that the line would generate $7 billion in fare revenue. Significant operating profit would mean capital costs would be repaid after 40 years.

High-speed rail would reduce journey times from the centre of Sydney, to Melbourne or Brisbane to less than three hours.

The report’s lead author, Gerard Drew, said: “Regional travel in Australia is highly concentrated in the east coast corridor, generating some of the busiest flight paths in the world as well as significant traffic on our main interstate highways.

“For too long the discussion has been misled by concerns of low population density in Australia rendering HSR inappropriate for this country. The fact is much of Australia’s population is highly concentrated in the capital cities on the east coast and there is a high degree of travel between them by world standards.

“All this travel is increasingly dependent on imported fossil fuels adding to Australia’s carbon footprint, and unfortunately it is doubtful that emissions free air travel will ever eventuate.”

“High-speed rail runs on electricity, which means, unlike air travel, it can run on one hundred percent renewable energy. This is the prime motivation behind BZE’s recommendation of high-speed rail.”
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Old April 17th, 2014, 09:06 AM   #46
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The Victoria government in Australia has awarded a design and construction contract to Ducon for a new railway station in Epsom. The government has invested around $7.76m to build a new station at Epsom and make improvements to infrastructure at Eaglehawk to facilitate an increase in services to the station.
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Old April 17th, 2014, 09:15 AM   #47
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How is that related to HSR?
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Old April 18th, 2014, 12:45 AM   #48
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It's not. Please keep information in the relevant threads. Thanks!
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Old May 2nd, 2014, 09:02 PM   #49
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An assisted study into a 'Zero Carbon' Australia has issued a report into a possible High-speed rail service in Australia (Ties in with post #45)

Originally Posted by Beyond Zero Emissions
Zero Carbon Australia High Speed Rail report

Our high-speed rail research director Gerard Drew will speak alongside leading rail experts and political leaders. Guest speakers include Brian Nye (CEO, Australasian Railway Association), Geoff Kettle (Mayor of Goulburn), Phillipp Bergeron (DLR German Aerospace Centre), Phil Potterton (GHD), Jean Jammet (SYSTRA), and John Black (Emeritus Professor, Transport, UNSW).

The HSR Project is a collaboration between Beyond Zero Emissions (BZE), the German Aerospace Centre (DLR), and the University of Melbourne Energy Research Institute. The key findings are summarised below.

Zero Carbon Australia High Speed Rail: Key findings

45% of Australian regional travel is contained within the proposed High Speed Rail network corridor
Domestic regional travel in Australia is highly concentrated in the corridor between Melbourne and Brisbane. In 2010 Australian passengers travelled 145 billion kilometres across the country, 65 billion were within the corridor approximately 100km either side of the proposed High Speed Rail line.


Ten minute train frequencies required during peak hours at Sydney station
From Sydney, the busiest station, high speed trains in both north and south directions would be departing platforms every ten minutes in peak hour. Meeting the passenger demand estimated for the proposed HSR network would require a fleet of 87 trains. The average train occupancy is estimated to be 85%.


60% of Australian population within 50km of a High Speed Rail station on proposed network
The proposed High Speed Rail network features a station less than one hour from 12.5 million Australian residents.


Full summary at Zero Carbon High speed Rail
If you love your pdf's for the full report, you can get it from the link in the quote.
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Old August 21st, 2014, 01:53 PM   #50
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Australian high-speed still on the agenda
Thursday, August 21, 2014

The Australian federal government has revealed that plans for a high-speed rail link along Australia's east coast are still on the drawing board following a number of high-level meetings with Japanese, Chinese, Spanish and French rail companies.

A report in The Australian newspaper says that renewed interest has emerged in the project as Central Japan Railway Company (JR Central) declared Japanese tunnelling methods could strip 20-30% off the projected cost. The article also reveals that the Japanese Bank for International Cooperation (JBIC) is prepared to bankroll construction if Australia shares the risk

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It would be good if this offer from a historically safe and successful system managed to spur the pols into action for once.
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 06:34 PM   #52
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It would be, sadly it won't happen for a long time yet.
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Old October 28th, 2014, 06:47 PM   #53
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Australian HS costs "half government estimate"
Tuesday, October 28, 2014

THE cost of constructing a high-speed line linking Melbourne, Sydney, and Brisbane could be a little over half the $A 114bn ($US 100bn) price tag estimated in an Australian government study, according to a report issued this week by the Australasian Railway Association (ARA)

The study, titled The Potential Impacts of High Speed Passenger Rail to Eastern Australia, was commissioned by the ARA and carried out by Aurecon. By comparing high-speed infrastructure costs in multiple countries around the world, the report concludes that a high-speed line along Australia's east coast could be built for $A 35m per km or a total cost of $A 63bn.

ARA CEO Mr Bryan Nye says the study highlights the need to stop debating, commit to the project and put high speed rail to the market


The full report can be downloaded from the ARA website (PDF)
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Melbourne city- mel tullmarine airport- canberra- sydney airport- newcastle- gold coast- brisbane would be ideal. I guess the first step ought to be one which doesnt have weighty civil engineering, ie crossing the mountains, but a long enough journey to get up to full speed. Sydney to Newcastle perhaps.
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Old June 10th, 2015, 08:51 PM   #55
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63 Billion dollars costs the Sydney - Melbourne HSL? it's so much
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Old June 11th, 2015, 05:56 AM   #56
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the problem of a liberal or labour government building a HSR network in Australia is it will be owned and operated by the private sector. HSR should be a public asset.

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yes they are going in good speed
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Old July 19th, 2016, 03:32 PM   #58
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Consortium proposes value capture for Melbourne - Sydney HSR
Tuesday, July 19, 2016

CONSOLIDATED Land and Rail Australia (Clara), a private Australian consortium, has launched an ambitious bid to build a high-speed rail network linking Melbourne and Sydney, which it says will not require any government funding, but instead will be financed by value capture from increases in adjacent local land values

Clara proposes to build two inland cities in Victoria and a further six in New South Wales. These cities will be advanced, sustainable, smart cities. Clara has the backing of two former state premiers and a recently-retired senior federal minister

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In a separate private initiative, we have proposal #34,560,707 for HSR in Australia. This is for a regional high speed commuter network centred on Sydney that will also handle freight from the coal and steel area south of Sydney near Wollongong. However it is being put forward as a first step of a larger network connecting to Canberra and Melbourne.

Fast rail link from Campbelltown to Wollongong moves closer
ABC Illawarra
By Emily Laurence

28th November 2016

A China-backed consortium says a high speed train line from Wollongong to Campbelltown — the first section of fast rail between Canberra and Newcastle via Sydney — could be built by 2023 if an agreement is reached with the NSW Government in the next 18 months.

Sydney-based developer group Centurion backed by China's state railways company said talks with the Government for the freight and passenger line were progressing.

"We're proposing to run actually a heavy metro system between Campbelltown, Wilton and Wollongong that will also run freight as well to reduce the freight in the Illawarra, moving probably 20,0000 to 30,000 people a day," CEO Centurion Group of Companies Patrick Yu told the ABC.

"It is our aim to have an agreement with the government as soon as possible. Our target is a year or 18 months and then we would like to get construction started well before 2020 and it is approximately a three-year build," Mr Yu said.

"Of course that particular part would be privately operated but the fare blocks would entirely be within the government's control and this is hopefully stage one of the high speed train between Canberra, Campbelltown, Bargerys Creek, Sydney and Newcastle."

The Centurion project is a separate one to that proposed by Consolidated Land and Rail Australia Pty Ltd (CLARA) which has released plans for a Sydney to Melbourne fast rail link with eight stations in regional New South Wales and Victoria.

Under the Centurion Group bid, the Wollongong and Campbelltown line would serve as the long-awaited freight link between Port Kembla and the Southern Highlands, often referred to as 'Maldon to Dombarton'.

It would also be the first component of Centurion's proposed fast train project between Canberra and Newcastle via Sydney with the overall cost of the network said to be about $24 million.

A trip between Newcastle and Sydney would be cut down to 50 minutes under the consortium's plans.

Six years of discussions with NSW government

Mr Yu said the company had been in discussions with the NSW Government about the project since 2010, when Barry O'Farrell was Premier.

"We have provided some plans, and as discussions go on the detailed plans will increase and the interactions between ourselves and government will increase.

"We will get to a point where we both— the government and ourselves — will agree finally on what we think is the final plan and hopefully then we are prepared and they are prepared to enter into a contractual relationship."

Mr Yu made the comments to the ABC at an Illawarra business leaders lunch in Wollongong.

Transport for NSW has played down the proposal.

"In June 2012, the NSW Government released Sydney's Rail Future, a plan to transform and modernise Sydney's rail network," reads a statement attributed to a spokesman for the state government department.

"High speed rail can only proceed if it is led by the Federal Government," it said.

"The NSW Government can assist in integrated transport planning, protecting corridors and facilitating land acquisitions under state legislation."

It said the NSW Government would continue to work with the Federal Government to consider the viability of a high speed rail system.

The Federal Government published a high speed rail study for the east coast of Australia in August 2011 and another final report on April 2013.

The ABC has sought comment from the office of federal Transport Minister Darren Chester.
For many people like myself who live in NSW, Australia, the N, S, and W does not mean New South Wales but are jokingly referred to as meaning Newcastle, Sydney & Wollongong, everything outside of these three main cities does not matter. So it is not surprising to see a project concentrating on these cities alone.

As for it's chances of success, it is anybodies guess? I just hope the separate proposals do not detract from each other and a more comprehensive state wide HSR gets the go ahead.

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