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Old December 10th, 2010, 05:46 PM   #241
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Moroccan modification : the 3rd 1st class coach transformed on 2nd class

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ONCF and Alstom Sign a Contract for the Supply of 14 Very-High Speed Trains to Morocco



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[B]Under the presidency of his Majesty the King of Morocco Mohammed VI, a contract worth nearly €400 million for the supply of 14 double-deck (Duplex) very high-speed trainsets has been signed in Tangiers on Friday, December 10, 2010 – on the Moroccan side by the Messrs. Karim Ghellab, Morocco's Minister for roads and transport, Mohamed Rabie Khlie, managing director of ONCF, Morocco's national railway company, and on the French side by the Messrs. Patrick Kron, Chairman & CEO of Alstom and Philippe Mellier, President of Alstom (Paris:ALO) Transport. The Duplex trains are scheduled to enter commercial service in December 2015 and will run on the Tangiers-Casablanca route in the northern part of the country[/B.

This agreement is the result of the cooperative relationship that Alstom Transport has established with Morocco's ONCF for more than 40 years. Alstom is consequently helping the ONCF meet its objectives of providing a solution for the increase in traffic which the opening of the new Tangiers Med port will generate, further developing a high-quality rail network, freeing up capacity on the existing line to facilitate traffic flow and helping to structurally and sustainably develop the regions through which the line passes.

The Morocco Duplex trainsets will be double-deck trains designed for the ONCF and adapted for use in the operating conditions specified by the Moroccan operator along the Tangiers-Casablanca route. The trains will run at 320 km/h and at 25 kV between Tangiers and Kenitra - the first 200 km section of Morocco’s very high-speed network. Between Kenitra and Casablanca, the trainsets will run on the traditional network at speeds of 160 km/h or 220 km/h at 3 kV, depending on the running speeds set by the Moroccan operator in 2015. The very high-speed connection between Tangiers and Casablanca will reduce journey times from 4:45 hours today to 2:10 hours at the opening of the line and will carry up to 10 million passengers per year (currently 4 million).

With capacity for up to 533 passengers, each trainset will be made up of eight cars - two first-class cars, one buffet car and five second-class cars. The trains' interior and exterior design will convey the modern, comfortable and high-quality service that the ONCF provides its passengers, together with the peace of mind. Particular attention is given to accessibility and safety, which the operator offers.

The Duplex trainsets that will be used in Morocco result from the new generation of very high-speed double-deck trains which Alstom currently produces for the French operator, SNCF. As such, they integrate all the latest developments in terms of comfort and accessibility. More than 10% of the trains’ overall capacity will be reserved for people with reduced mobility. The cars will be fitted with a bilingual French-Arabic passenger information system, including video screens. The trainsets, which are being fitted with exhaustively tried and tested standard components, will draw on all the feedback that has been received since the first Duplex came into service in 1996, particularly with regard to their reliability and operational safety, as well as how easily they can be maintained and upgraded.

The 14 trainsets will mainly be developed and built in France at Alstom Transport’s La Rochelle workshops (pilot site) and its sites in Belfort (power cars), Le Creusot (bogies), Ornans (engines) and Tarbes (traction drive), as well as Villeurbanne (electronic control system), Charleroi in Belgium, Sesto in Italy and Montreal in Canada (on-board IT and passenger information). The trainsets’ power cars and passenger cars will be delivered separately to the ONCF’s Moghogha factory just north of Tangiers, where train-set assembly operations will be carried out. Technical tests will be carried out at the Moghogha site as well as on the ONCF network before the trains come into service.

Morocco is the first country in the African continent to acquire this type of highly sophisticated railway transport infrastructure, in compliance with international standards for very high-speed rail travel. The ONCF will thus be joining the list of operators throughout the world which offer very high-speed rail services on a daily basis.

About Alstom and Very High Speed

Alstom now has nearly 30 years’ experience in very high speed rail travel. 50% of the trains now running at over 300 km/h throughout the world were manufactured by Alstom. The company’s very high speed activity is growing continually as a result of its unrivalled experience and advanced technology. Since the launch of the 1st TGV* in 1981, 670 very high speed trains have been sold worldwide. Between them they have covered over 2.5 billion kilometres (6,500 times the distance from the Earth to the moon), carried 1.5 billion passengers (25% of the world’s population), increased commercial speeds from 260 kph to 320 km/h, and have three world rail speed records to their credit: 380 km/h (1981), 515.3 km/h (1990) and 574.8 km/h (2007). Alstom is currently the only railway manufacturer with three very high-speed train platforms: the TGV Duplex (a 2-level platform), which operates daily in France at speeds of up to 320 km/h, Speedelia and the AGV** ( single level platforms). AGV was selected by NTV, Italy’s main private operator.
http://www.euronext.com/news/company...l?docid=936406
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Sorry this in french.

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From Tangier to Casablanca, accros Kenitra and Rabat.

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Old December 11th, 2010, 03:18 PM   #247
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The track gauges at 1435 mm match, but are the axle loads, loading gauges, electrification and signalling compatible between Morocco and AVE such as to allow through running when Gibraltar tunnel is completed?
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Old December 11th, 2010, 03:27 PM   #249
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Great news!

Seeing as it is a new line, though, and won't be finished until 2015, wouldn't it be more prudent to purchase newer technology trains? Most networks now are purchasing EMUs as opposed to push-pull trains such as the TGV. Even Alstom is pushing forward with the Pegasus. Furthermore, will the capacity on that new line warrant double decker sets?

That being said, I have been on Duplexes before and they were very comfortable, fast and reliable, so no problems there I'd say. They're very aesthetically-pleasing too to say the least
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The track gauges at 1435 mm match, but are the axle loads, loading gauges, electrification and signalling compatible between Morocco and AVE such as to allow through running when Gibraltar tunnel is completed?
Everything is made for 100% interoperability. Same specs than Europe.

ERTMS system, and french systems like interoperability between France and Spain accros Perpignan and Figueras. For Paris-Barcelone, those be the same TGV Duplex 2N2 :

Morocco has also bought the spanish Da Vinci system from Adif :





In the same way, Morocco ha bought 24 Alstom Prima 2 for their interoperability (adapted to ERTMS and Atlas System) :









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Great news!

Seeing as it is a new line, though, and won't be finished until 2015, wouldn't it be more prudent to purchase newer technology trains? Most networks now are purchasing EMUs as opposed to push-pull trains such as the TGV. Even Alstom is pushing forward with the Pegasus. Furthermore, will the capacity on that new line warrant double decker sets?

That being said, I have been on Duplexes before and they were very comfortable, fast and reliable, so no problems there I'd say. They're very aesthetically-pleasing too to say the least
We need high capacity trains, so we had 2 choices TGV Duplex or AGV Duplex wich is not yet ready. France finance a part of project, so we only choose french technology. AGV is not higher capacity for us, and the TGV duplex will run at :

- 320 km/h between Tangier and Kenitra, intercity very fast operation,
- 220 km/h between Kenitra and Casablanca (upgraded line). On this line we have Ansaldo Breda Z2M double decker which are empty (180km/h), so we need a similar double decker because TGV will be accoupled for intercity fast operation (Kenitra - Rabat - Casablanca and other way to Fes).



Ansaldo Breda Z2M - Double-Deck Electric Multiple Units | 160 - 180 km/h | 398 Seats | 24 Units | #Acquired

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Our Tanger Moghogha TGV center, is made for received 30 trains. And we bought 14. Next command in 5-6 year for Marrakech-Essaouira-Agadir HSL. And we hope AGV Duplex !
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Next command in 5-6 year for Marrakech-Essaouira-Agadir HSL.
Are there any plans for Fes-Oujda-Oran high speed railway?
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Are there any plans for Fes-Oujda-Oran high speed railway?
Actually :

for wining 1h30min FEZ - OUJDA | Electrification | 2010-2015 | #U-C

Next :

OUJDA - FEZ > TGV MAGHREB | High-Speed Rail (LGV) | 328 km (TRIPOLI + 2672 km) | 320 km/h | #Project

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On work : CASABLANCA - KENITRA | Triplement de la voie (+ Upgraded Classic Line) | 130 km | 220 km/h |#U-C (2011-2015)

MARRAKECH - ESSAOUIRA - AGADIR | High-Speed Rail (LGV) | 312 km | 320 km/h | #Project


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are there any passenger number projections? i dont like to sound like a jackass, but wouldnt morocco benefit more from a denser normal network, upgraded?

according to the wikipedia article the projected number by 2035 is 8M
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The track gauges at 1435 mm match, but are the axle loads, loading gauges, electrification and signalling compatible between Morocco and AVE such as to allow through running when Gibraltar tunnel is completed?
Through running is even possible if the track gauges don't match. Solutions exist for all incompatibilities.
Different electrifications systems is largely a non issue nowadays. Different train protection systems are the main obstacles when running on different networks. Even the ETCS system is not that universal as was originally intended.
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are there any passenger number projections? i dont like to sound like a jackass, but wouldnt morocco benefit more from a denser normal network, upgraded?

according to the wikipedia article the projected number by 2035 is 8M
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6 millions in 2015, 9 % of rentability, with a ticket price accessible to a large number.

The projetc is divided on 2 part :
- 200 km HSL between Tangier and Kenitra, 320km/h,
- Upgradage of the 130 km existing double line Kenitra-Casablanca to a max speed of 220 km/h and added of a 3rd track only for freight.

Between Tangier and Kenitra, the railway has only 1 rack. And we need 3 tracks on the line. The actual line 250km very old and a lot wich will be converted for freight transit between Tangier Med new harbour (biggest of Africa and Mediterranea, 8,5 millions ETU on 2015).

So upgraded the existing line between Tangier and Kenitra on 260km + adding 2 tracks, is not competive than to built an HSL on 200km.

Between, Kenitra and Casablanca, this is un upggradage (500 millions euros for this other project also began).


When we can upggraded we do it. When we can't we built HSL. An example, Casablanca-Marrakech was projected to be the 1st HSL before Tangier-Kenitra. This is also a sigle track line. The project was cancelled to a upgradage to 160km/h and a second track.



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À noter que le TGV marocain sera de couleur orange, aux couleurs de l’ONCF
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are there any passenger number projections? i dont like to sound like a jackass, but wouldnt morocco benefit more from a denser normal network, upgraded?

according to the wikipedia article the projected number by 2035 is 8M
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nop the projection number is 6 million by 2015 when it open.

in 2009 the regular train system transported 30 million passenger.
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