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Old October 10th, 2014, 05:34 PM   #401
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The new station looks very beautiful to me. Open spaces, light structures, usage a wooden materials and patterns reminding to local culture. A friendly atmosphere in a hot climate.

But why the hell do they let symbolically charged companies like Mc Donalds and Starbucks occupy most prominent spaces within the new station?
While I guess some upper class richer people may enjoy consuming globally standardized (and I guess overpriced) hamburgers and coffewater in antiseptically clean environements, for other daily travellers those shops may be seen as symbols of humiliation:
Everything downto the smallest detail comes from outside the own culture which it tries to invade and commercialize. Not only the products, but everything from cash registers, room design, logistics, business processes, advertisements, customer communication procedures, work hierarchies. Everything is in total opposition to what traditionally happens outside on the streets.

Anyway, on the long run such small symbols of invasion create violence and neurosis if the surrounding predominant culture does not fully adapts to the requirements of modernity (like China does)...

Yes sure Especially Mc Do open the 1rst Mc Café in Morocco, off course café of the Mc Café is a little bit better than café of the classical Mc donalds, in this railstation there is Mc Cafe, Strabucks and Segafreedo but for god's sake why coffee? moroccans prefer menth tea
Tea is safer for health and warmer for familly ambiances with teapot and glass cups of tea in waitting the trains



Only one Berrad is better than 36 starbucks


But anyway in their website Mc Donalds signal they have wifi it is a good point for them..

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Old October 10th, 2014, 10:53 PM   #402
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It's a bit of an inferiority complex, isn't it? If someone were to open a business serving Moroccan tea and food in some prominent location in a Western city it would be seen as a welcome diversity instead of some evil invasion…
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Old October 10th, 2014, 11:39 PM   #403
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If someone were to open a business serving Moroccan tea and food in some prominent location in a Western city it would be seen as a welcome diversity.
Well, same would most likely be the case if John the Truckdriver would serve his great self-made hamburger creations in a major Arab railway station. But it is not John the truckdirver, the human, you will get to serve his own hamburgers (which btw. are great).

Instead you'll find a whole standardized machinery including all facets western economies can and must deliver everywhere. The employees and their capabilities in franchising shops like MacDo and Starbucks do not matter at all (stupid and cheap is enough, all actions they perform are predefined and optimized), neither the products themselves whose real value tends towards zero, because you get industrially designed and globalized food. You mostly pay for royalties, marketing costs and logistic to ship the shit around the globe from where it can be produced half a percent cheaper. Its an arrogant system. From a technological perspective it is highly interesting though. Last but not least, the overall system that has to deliver such businesses is based on continuous expansion: It simply can not stand still even if everything is fine.... Therefore sooner or later it breaks what was already good.

Installing Machines like MacDonalds in an Arab railway station may thus have impacts on local souls similar of what building mosques in european railway stations could trigger. Both worldviews (of which Macdo is ideal symbol of, the other is the mosque and its mission) appear as religious systems...

Yep, Mustafa serving his tea is welcome everywhere in Europe? Hm ... I would be happy if that would be true ...


Ok, all is just my opinion, it is my weak thinking truth. Nobody with strong truths needs to agree with...
Well...back to topic ... :-)
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The new station looks very beautiful to me. Open spaces, light structures, usage a wooden materials and patterns reminding to local culture. A friendly atmosphere in a hot climate.
Are you trolling here?

Casablanca enjoys a pure mild Mediterranean climate. Yearly average high is 71F or 21.7 C, and yearly average low is 56F or 13C. Check valid sources before claiming something totally false.

Otherwise the station looks not bad at all.
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Are you trolling here?.
You are right, CB lacks extreme heat and cold due to the Atlantic ocean influence. Though, climate it is also a matter of perspective, from what one is used to live in. From an architects point of view the building is not one of a cold country ...

No, I am not trolling. I guess you love MacDo's and Starbuck a bit too much :-)
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You are right, CB lacks extreme heat and cold due to the Atlantic ocean influence. Though, climate it is also a matter of perspective, from what one is used to live in. From an architects point of view the building is not one of a cold country ...

No, I am not trolling. I guess you love MacDo's and Starbuck a bit too much :-)
Morocco has a predominant Mediterranean climate. The only regions that have semi-arid to Saharan climate are the ones in the south and South east, where it's very much less populated.

It's known that Mediterranean climate is the most ideal where summer is not very hot and winter is not very cold. That's why Mediterranean counties enjoy a higher percentage of tourists e.g. (Italy, Spain, Portugal, Morocco, Greece, Croatia and South France). So for Northern Euros, Mediterranean countries are indeed hot because basically they don’t enjoy real summer temperatures at home. It’s normal.

Apart from extreme North West Africa (Morocco-Algeria and parts of Tunisia) real hot humid tropical weather is found in most other African countries, Middle East, South and south East Asia.

Architecturally the building is just a modern box; it'll fit anywhere, even in Sweden.

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Apart from extreme North West Africa (Morocco-Algeria and parts of Tunisia) real hot humid tropical weather is found in most other African countries, Middle East, South and south East Asia.
Generally speaking you are right, but the scene from below is African as well (not Morocco).

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Instead you'll find a whole standardized machinery including all facets western economies can and must deliver everywhere. The employees and their capabilities in franchising shops like MacDo and Starbucks do not matter at all (stupid and cheap is enough, all actions they perform are predefined and optimized), neither the products themselves whose real value tends towards zero, because you get industrially designed and globalized food. You mostly pay for royalties, marketing costs and logistic to ship the shit around the globe from where it can be produced half a percent cheaper. Its an arrogant system. From a technological perspective it is highly interesting though. Last but not least, the overall system that has to deliver such businesses is based on continuous expansion: It simply can not stand still even if everything is fine.... Therefore sooner or later it breaks what was already good.

Installing Machines like MacDonalds in an Arab railway station may thus have impacts on local souls...


ça va they did an effort they 've added a little local touch, it is not globalized as many



Red extremely spicy piment is popular in North Africa


yep Perhaps big fast food groups do not usually add a "valeur ajoutée" as the quality of food is concerned it could be the same if it was the belgian group Quick or any other one but what they add for a railway station like this is the services,

In Morocco the first McDo in a rail sation was in Marrakech i 've been so many times there but if we compare the 2 Mcdo services of the Marrakech Mcdo are more and more better: space games for kids, Baby clean space, HandiSpace, TR (Ticket Resto to pay with working checks)... In Mc Do Casa there is nothing of all this


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3 other big railway stations comming :










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Old October 13th, 2014, 11:35 PM   #410
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Gare d'Oujda-Centre Multiservices




La gare, élément principal dans l’aménagement global, est conçue devant un grand parvis en R+1 et traitée dans un esprit à la fois minéral (sol en pierre naturelle locale), végétal et aquatique. Sa façade est un ordonnancement d’arches qui constituent la structure portante du bâtiment derrière laquelle se tient une façade rideau, permettant ainsi une visibilité de l’extérieur depuis le hall de la gare. Inspirée des grands portiques orientaux, cette structure en béton à hautes performances donne l’expression du bâtiment et permet de grandes portées, donnant ainsi une grande flexibilité à un programme qui peut annexer l’aménagement d’une gare TGV. Au centre du hall s’inscrit un axe longitudinal où circulent les voyageurs. Cette rue interne permet de relier les différents éléments à savoir :le salon d’honneur, les services aux voyageurs, les commodités en gare, les commerces, les espaces multiservices, les services d’exploitation, l’administration, les espaces de sûreté, le service logistique et le service embarqué.




Les logements représentent un puzzle important dans l’environnement de la gare. Leur conception émane d’une trame structurelle, ce qui a généré une composition de façade originale, une sorte d’imbrication et soustraction de volumes. Les logements sont édifiés sur un sous-sol à R+5, avec un rez-de-chaussée commercial et s’étalent sur deux blocs symétriques L1 et L2 rassemblés par une terrasse végétalisée au niveau R+1 et séparé par une rue piétonne couverte.


GARE ET MULTISERVICE

Intitulé du Projet : Construction de la Nouvelle Gare d’Oujda (BV, Quais, Parvis) & du Centre Multiservice

Maitre D’ouvrage : L’office national des chemins de fer « ONCF »

Situation du projet : Commune Oued Nachef Sidi Maafa Oujda
Superficie du Terrain : 90 504 m²
Superficie des Planchers : 35 145 m²

Le montant prévisionnel est estimé à :
- La Gare : 55 000 000,00 DHS HT
- Le Centre Multiservices : 180 000 000 DHS HT

Programme de la gare :
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Centres multiservices :
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Old October 17th, 2014, 02:48 AM   #411
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I recently had a chance to travel on Moroccan trains and I was quite impressed. Really nice and user friendly system.
Below are some random shots:








1st class compartment


On the way from Meknes to Tangier:




I noticed quite a lot of investment in new station buildings
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High Speed Rail construction:






Tangier, I guess it will be depot building:


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Tangier Ville Station






Single track on the way south from Tangier:


Doble track once we join line from Fes and Meknes:


Adding third track south of Kenitra:


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Rabat Ville Station:








Double-decker train between Casa Port and Kenitra:




We'll be boarding this one to Casa:


I really liked them, very comfy and good view from the upper deck


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Casa Port:







That's it for today.

About McDonalds in Morocco, I don't know about those at the stations but the one in Marrakech (next to the main roundabout-square) looked damn busy when I was passing next to it on few occasions. Always quite long lines waiting.
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Local train from Casa to to El Jadida.
The least comfortable during our voyages on Moroccan trains. I've seen some double deckers on that route unfortunately we got the old train.


Casa Voyageurs


Loco of our train to Marrakech


View from along the route to Marrakech




Marrakech station






That's it from our journeys. From now onwards we had to rely on coaches.
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Old October 22nd, 2014, 10:38 PM   #417
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Old October 26th, 2014, 01:39 PM   #418
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E1401, Rmila - Dar Gueddari, 18.10.14

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Marrakech station






That's it from our journeys. From now onwards we had to rely on coaches.
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