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Old December 20th, 2010, 12:05 AM   #61
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A normal car which uses DRL consume 55W*2 (headlights)+5W*2 (rear lights)+5W (lic.plate lights) that's about 125W which is a considarble amount of energy used.
Oh really? Lower class car engine can produce 70.000 W of power (and not to mention 200.000+ W powerhouses), how can it be, that 125 W is "considerable"?
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Old December 20th, 2010, 04:01 AM   #62
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Oh really? Lower class car engine can produce 70.000 W of power (and not to mention 200.000+ W powerhouses), how can it be, that 125 W is "considerable"?
Maybe it needs to be translated to HP for us...
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Old December 20th, 2010, 07:49 PM   #63
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Maybe it needs to be translated to HP for us...
1 W = 0,00134102209 horsepower
125 W = 0,16762776125 horsepower
normal car (100 horsepower): 74569,98714 W

So headlights use an enormous amount of power from a cars engine
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Old December 20th, 2010, 07:52 PM   #64
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Do you have a link to more info on this.?

I found this map on current rules in the EU, and according to that, DRL´s are prohibited in Greeze, until newyear.:



Bulgaria is mandatory during winter - light yellow, please!
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Old December 20th, 2010, 10:17 PM   #65
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In Romania, you needn't use the headlights in towns unless you feel like doing it. Only on national roads are you required to turn them on, no matter the weather. So, I guess it's brown for Romania. Could someone please edit the map accordingly, cause there have been quite a few changes .
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Old December 20th, 2010, 10:51 PM   #66
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i don't see the point of this whole thread, i mean what's the point of NOT turning on your lights????????

dumbasses in their white/grey cars creeping up on you in shitty weather liike this, or any wheather really.
yeah you see them, but you see them later if you think thats not an issue, you shouldn't be driving, cause you put not just yourself, but others in danger.
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Old December 20th, 2010, 11:47 PM   #67
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A normal car which uses DRL consume 55W*2 (headlights)+5W*2 (rear lights)+5W (lic.plate lights) that's about 125W which is a considarble amount of energy used. Especially if the sun is shining I'd rather use that energy for something else like the AC or stereo.
Funny you mention the license plate lights...

Does anyone seriously think those little lights there make the license plate even the tiniest bit more visible? They've got reflective paint for that.
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Old February 28th, 2011, 11:28 PM   #68
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Do you have a link to more info on this.?

I found this map on current rules in the EU, and according to that, DRL´s are prohibited in Greeze, until newyear.:



This map is wrong ... In Poland, it is compulsory since 2007 during the whole year ! 3,5 years this law is in force !

In Slovakia, it is also mandatory during the whole year !

I'm not sure about Slovenia and Hungary ... but I heard it is mandatory there too, as well as in Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, and Kosovo ...

Here in France (as well as in Spain), people sometimes forget to turn even their position lights on when the weather is bad or it's getting too dark.

As I lived in Poland for a year, I took the habit of turning my headlights when I turn my car on. Sometimes - especially in rural areas - people show me to turn my lights off

Did Estonia fly to Mars or to Venus ? Anyway, I can't believe in Greece it is forbidden ...
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I am wondering where Estonia took of to...
If thats the law in Portugal, no one takes any notice of it, and I don't think that it is the law.
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A normal car which uses DRL consume 55W*2 (headlights)+5W*2 (rear lights)+5W (lic.plate lights) that's about 125W which is a considarble amount of energy used. Especially if the sun is shining I'd rather use that energy for something else like the AC or stereo.
My car's air conditioner does not work. Your argument is invalid.
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Funny you mention the license plate lights...

Does anyone seriously think those little lights there make the license plate even the tiniest bit more visible? They've got reflective paint for that.
Depends on the vehicle. Most just light up the top, or sides of the plate. Mine only lights up the right edge, as the left light was removed so I could install my trailer plug.
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My car's air conditioner does not work.
Have you spent an August in suburban Washington yet??
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Is an adjective that can also be a verb and begins with an "f" applicable to him?
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Have you spent an August in suburban Washington yet??
Yup. I don't mind heat. It's a dark color too. Just roll down the window (3 of those work) and sweat it out.

On topic: I drive with headlights on all the time. It's only required at night, whenever you're using the windshield wipers, and any other time when you can't reasonably see where you're going because it's dark.
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Old March 3rd, 2011, 01:14 AM   #75
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All new cars sold in the U.S. have them built in. Studies have shown they reduce traffic accidents.
Not anymore. A few years ago lots of cars sold in the U.S. had them and car manufacturers lobbied the government to make them mandatory so that they could just make one type of headlight for both the U.S. and Canada. Newer cars sold in the U.S. don't come with them now. Some cars that have automatic headlights also have low-wattage DRL's in the AUTO position of the headlight switch but not in the manual OFF position.

Some two-lane roads have signs that say "Lights on for safety" but they are not usually regulatory signs that must be obeyed.

I, particularly, prefer lights off during the day except in bad weather conditions.
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Old March 3rd, 2011, 04:25 PM   #76
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Not anymore. A few years ago lots of cars sold in the U.S. had them and car manufacturers lobbied the government to make them mandatory so that they could just make one type of headlight for both the U.S. and Canada. Newer cars sold in the U.S. don't come with them now. Some cars that have automatic headlights also have low-wattage DRL's in the AUTO position of the headlight switch but not in the manual OFF position.

Some two-lane roads have signs that say "Lights on for safety" but they are not usually regulatory signs that must be obeyed.

I, particularly, prefer lights off during the day except in bad weather conditions.
I think I said in the previous thread about this (I may actually have started that thread, come to think of it) that mandatory lights-on zones have started appearing in Maryland and Virginia. By "mandatory," I mean there are signs warning of fines. There's on on US 1 where it bypasses Bel Air, Md., which only appeared within the last year or two, and I've come across a couple of others, on US 15 between Leesburg, Va., and Frederick Md., in both states.

Requiring you to have lights on in bad weather is also fairly new - such laws started appearing in the U.S. (at least the parts I've driven in) maybe 1990 at the earliest.
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I'm dividing society in three different groups.

1: Obsessed with Health and Safety. Anything that could endanger you or other people should be outlawed. Breathing for example. Nobody has the right to die.

2: Without risk no fun. People who will drive down the motorway the wrong way, just for the sake of it.

3: Logical thought. Stay safe, but don't let it rule your life. It's too short. Just think logically. If the weather is clear and visibility is good, there is no point having your headlights on, no matter what the safety experts or Dutch say. If it's raining, or visibility is poor: switch them on and be seen. Logical thought over Safety freaks!

I fall in category 3. I can't stand safety freaks! And headlights in day time is pointless if the visibility is clear. If the sun is bright and you're on a two-way traffic road, it's safe to have them on. You see? Logical thought. That's why they have them on in Scandinavia. On a bright summer day on some overcrowded motorway in Holland it's pointless. But if the Dutch feel safe that way, let them have their fun. Mind you, more and more leave them switched off. It seems that in the northern areas of the Netherlands they leave them on, not so much in the south. The French put them on more and more now. British don't want to know. In Austria they had it as a obligatory trial scheme, now more and more leave them switched off, unless they are in mountainous areas with lots of tunnels. I put them on in tunnels, even in the UK, where hardly anybody switch them on, not even in tunnels.

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3: Logical thought. Stay safe, but don't let it rule your life. It's too short. Just think logically. If the weather is clear and visibility is good, there is no point having your headlights on, no matter what the safety experts or Dutch say. If it's raining, or visibility is poor: switch them on and be seen. Logical thought over Safety freaks!
World does not work this way. What looks safe to you, may not look safe to me, or be safe at all. For instance, about those darn rear fog lights.
You don't do laws just with "common sense", because it could be not so "common".

You candidly admitted once to drive over 160 with your van just "not to fall asleep". This may seem safe to you, but believe me, it is not.
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Old July 20th, 2011, 09:13 PM   #79
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my recent eurotrip, few or no cars with turned on headlights






Btw buses seem to use DRL
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World does not work this way. What looks safe to you, may not look safe to me, or be safe at all. For instance, about those darn rear fog lights.
You don't do laws just with "common sense", because it could be not so "common".

You candidly admitted once to drive over 160 with your van just "not to fall asleep". This may seem safe to you, but believe me, it is not.
Driving with fog lights on in the rain is UNSAFE and LACKS common sense.
Also, I said I drive 160 at times in Germany, and I meant that if I was to do 120 km/h I feel like I'm not getting anywhere, it's boring and I get sleepy. And I use my own common sense, rather than the ones of the Health and Safety people. Ever been in the UK? You know what's happening there? Funny thing is: No one in the Land of the Health and Safety encourages people to drive with headlights on in the daytime. But to ban charity workers to display live animals at a local shopping mall over Christmas, because they might slip and fall over lacks common sense. Especially because the animals in question were rein deers...

And yes, in weather conditions as shown in the pictures above, I really do not see any point switching my headlights on. So I won't, unless I'm in a country where it's law.

I can think for myself. As long as I'm obeying the law, it is my god given right! I don't need anybody else to do the thinking for me. I may seek advice, but I still make my own decisions.
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