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Old April 27th, 2008, 10:40 AM   #1
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GRAZ | Public Transport

From the BBC:

Austrian mayor wages war on mobiles
By Bethany Bell
BBC News, Graz

European airlines may be considering whether to let people use mobile phones on flights, but Austria's second biggest city - Graz - is taking a step in the opposite direction.

It is banning phone calls on public transport - and the move has unleashed a noisy debate.

Polls suggest that almost half of the people of Graz find listening to other people's mobile calls highly irritating.

So the mayor Siegfried Nagl has taken action.

From now on, phones have to be put on silent mode when their owners get on a bus or a tram.

Mr Nagl told the BBC he was confident the ban would catch on across Europe.

"If you sit beside someone who speaks on a mobile phone, he is louder, it is not possible to hear the answers and I think it disturbs a lot of people.

"This ban is a first step. In five or 10 years you will discuss it in every city."

Banning mobiles on public transport was tried out in the Swedish capital Stockholm, but it did not work.

Driven to distraction

A spokesman for Stockholm Transport, Bjorn Holmberg, said that Swedish customers preferred their phones to silence on their commutes to and from work.

But Mr Nagl is undaunted.

"In Graz we had a slogan - we are allowed to do everything. Therefore we will try it and I hope it will work."

The young and old in Graz have very different views on mobile use

The Austrians love their mobiles, or Handys as they are known in German.

Studies suggest that they are among some of the top cellphone users in the world.

One sunny morning in Graz, many of the people walking across the baroque main square had mobiles glued to their ears.

So implementing this ban may be challenging, especially as no fines or extra checks are being introduced.

However, drivers do have the right to ask people making loud telephone calls to get off the tram or bus.

The voluntary nature of the ban concerns Antony Scholz, the director of Graz public transport.

He says it means his drivers will have to play policemen.

"It's a problem for our drivers, because the younger generation wants to use the mobiles and the older generation does not and the drivers have to decide whether to allow them or not."

Respect

Mr Scholz says people have to be educated.

"It is the problem of showing consideration for other people. It is like eating pommes frites and ketchup and ice cream in buses.

"If all had respect for other passengers life would be easier."

Travelling the trams and buses of Graz for an afternoon, there were plenty of mobiles in evidence, but most people had them on silent mode or were sending text messages.

Just a handful of people could be seen talking surreptitiously into their cellphones.

But Gerald Grosz, from the Alliance for the Future of Austria, the party founded by far-right leader Joerg Haider, makes a point of deliberately using his mobile on public transport.

He is working with other parties in the city council to try and overturn the ban.

"We have other problems in Graz on the public transport system with crime rates, but not with mobile phones or their ring tones," he said.

"We will fight against this ban and take the majority in the city council with other parties and send this ban into history."

But that may be difficult. This is a matter which arouses strong feelings here.

One Graz pensioner said he found people who use mobiles in public places extremely annoying.

"They speak so loudly and dominate the whole place. And they are just showing off. I'm not interested in what people say to their parents, lovers or whatever."

But a young student disagreed.

"If people are talking on the tram to each other it is the same as if someone is talking on the phone.

"Some people are protesting against the ban and I think they will keep talking anyway."
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Old April 27th, 2008, 06:03 PM   #2
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OH PLEASE! This is stupid, why were mobile phones made? So you could be in contact outside your home or office, whats the point of it when you cant use it in transfer?

Know what? ban ugly people from busses too, they irritate me.
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Old April 27th, 2008, 06:49 PM   #3
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Know what? ban ugly people from busses too, they irritate me.
Hell yeah! Only us handsome studs should use the buses.

I really hate when people talk very private matters on their phones in the middle of a crowded bus or tram, especially when they make sure everybody hears them crystal clear by yelling, but banning mobile phones in public transport is nothing more than dumb and ridiculous.
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Old April 27th, 2008, 06:50 PM   #4
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Hell yeah! Only us handsome studs should use the buses.

I really hate when people talk very private matters on their phones in the middle of a crowded bus or tram, especially when they make sure everybody hears them crystal clear by yelling, but banning mobile phones in public transport is nothing more than dumb and ridiculous.
ha! a even better solution - ban stupid people from busses! hell! Ban them from making children.
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Old April 27th, 2008, 07:16 PM   #5
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Ban the stop announcements, those really bother me.
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Old April 27th, 2008, 08:06 PM   #6
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ha! a even better solution - ban stupid people from busses! hell! Ban them from making children.
That would make for some empty buses. I second this!

Rebasepoiss, people that are blind or are not familiar with the route might find them useful.
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Old December 15th, 2010, 12:25 AM   #7
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GRAZ | Public Transport

This thread is dedicated to public transport in Austria's second largest City Graz, the capital city of Styria.

I'm not a local and I haven't been there in a while - so you are very welcome to contribute and/or correct possible mistakes.

I'll start with S-Bahn:


S-Bahn network as of December 2010 (c) State of Styria

S-Bahn Styria is one of the many new S-Bahn networks currently under construction in Austria. Unlike Vienna's S-Bahn it is not operated by a single transport agency, but rather based on existing suburban and regional railways, operated by three different companies. It is planned to be finished by the year 2016 and will then provide this service:


(c) State of Styria

- thick blue line = 30 min interval full-time, with extra "sprinter" services in peak hours
- thick dark blue line = 30 min interval full-time, 15 min interval during peak hours through overlapping lines
- light blue line = 60 min interval, higher interval during peak hours
- thick grey line = express trains every 2 hours, with additional trains according to demand
- thin grey line = railways which aren't part of S-Bahn

Currently the following lines operate:
S1 - operated by ÖBB (Austrian Federal Railways)
S11 - operated by STLB (Styrian Railways)
S3 - operated by ÖBB
S31 - operated by STLB
S5 - operated by ÖBB
S51 - operated by ÖBB
S6/61 - operated by GKB (Graz-Köflach Railway)
S7/61 - operated by GKB
R532 - operated by STLB

Because of the different operators and the historic development, there is quite some variety in rolling stock on the network. Currently we have a mix between EMUs and DMUs, but in the future all lines will be electrified and rolling stock is in the process of being harmonized.

A word of warning ahead, just to give proper credit: Most of the following pictures were taken from this great website: http://www.styria-mobile.at/ Have a look yourself, there's a ton of information there - unfortunately mostly in German.

One of the new stations built for the S-Bahn. You can clearly see the signature "S" logo on the left hand side of the photo. Picture stars an ÖBB Desiro DMU on S3 at Hart bei Graz.

(c) PatSpeesz

Brandnew S61 Stadler GTW DMU by GKB is leaving Graz mainstation

(c) Provodnik

These low entry tainsets are accessible with wheelchairs and feature many amenities such as electricity sockets and information screens:

(c) Provodnik

All the changes in timetables and new lines that began to operate two days ago

© Kleine Zeitung
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Old December 15th, 2010, 12:36 AM   #8
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A number or trains got a special S-Bahn livery.

Brandnew STLB GTW DMU:

(c) chris1116029

ÖBB Desiro DMU as an S3 service at Graz Don Bosco - a major transport hub and link with Graz's lightrail network
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ÖBB Talent EMU in double traction:


Because of a problem with registration of some of the new Stadler GTW trains, some of the GKB services are currently operated with highly unusual push-pull sandwich trains. They are formed by two double story coaches and rented diesel locos.

(c) 4020er (see more at http://www.styria-mobile.at/home/for...c,3759.60.html)
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Old December 15th, 2010, 01:49 AM   #9
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Some pics of Graz Don Bosco station from 2007:






http://www.grazmobil.at/home/pages/n...osco_eroe.html
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Tramway/Lightrail

Graz's lightrail network dates back to 1878. The 66.4 km standard gauge network is operated by Graz Verkehrsbetriebe and has seen major investments in the last few years, with a new underground section to the main station currently under construction.

There is a lot of variety on Graz's network, with eight different types of rolling stock currently operating. The oldest vehicles in regular operation date back to 1963 and the newest are currently being delivered to Graz.

One of the Bombardier Cityrunner trains:
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http://bahnforum.info/index.php?ind=...view&iden=1168

Another Cityrunner on line 4:

http://bahnforum.info/index.php?ind=..._view&iden=595

One of the trains built by SGP Graz in the 1980ties and modernized in 1999 (with a low floor middle part):

http://bahnforum.info/index.php?ind=..._view&iden=595

A new park&ride stations:

http://bahnforum.info/index.php?ind=..._view&iden=595

next to a mall:

http://bahnforum.info/index.php?ind=..._view&iden=595

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http://bahnforum.info/index.php?ind=...view&iden=1168


http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...20070922183829
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light rail & bus network map

PDF: http://www.styria-mobile.at/Download...z_Graz_neu.pdf
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Graz has a light rail? It seems like a pretty small town, but it looks nice
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Graz has a light rail? It seems like a pretty small town, but it looks nice
It's the second biggest city in Austria (and the most dangerous too [based on statistics). In Austria even smaller towns like Linz (with an underground-section) and Innsbruck have light-rail systems ("Straßenbahn"). And globally seen, it gives even cities with a lower population, which have a metro (like Lausanne).
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Impressive

Graz's public transportation network has progressed nicely over the years. Comprehensive, modern, efficient and clean. Well done!

Not surprisingly Vancouver's PT system is a tragic farce in comparison.
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It's the second biggest city in Austria (and the most dangerous too [based on statistics). In Austria even smaller towns like Linz (with an underground-section) and Innsbruck have light-rail systems ("Straßenbahn").
Even Gmunden (population: ~13,000) has one. Although, the lightrail system in Gmunden consists of just one 2,5 km long line and is said to be one of the smallest tram systems worldwide.

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Graz's public transportation network has progressed nicely over the years. Comprehensive, modern, efficient and clean. Well done!
That's right, but it won't grow... There are a few planned extensions but the city council says there isn't enough money.
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It's the second biggest city in Austria (and the most dangerous too [based on statistics). In Austria even smaller towns like Linz (with an underground-section) and Innsbruck have light-rail systems ("Straßenbahn"). And globally seen, it gives even cities with a lower population, which have a metro (like Lausanne).
Lausanne is in Switzerland not Austria.
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Lausanne is in Switzerland not Austria.
And because of that I've written "Globally seen, ..."
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On Monday, 26th of November opened the new tram-station "Hauptbahnhof".
The station is in the underground and is operated by the lines 1,3,6,7.
Above, a rounded roof construction connects the tram-station with the concourse, the new bus-station and the entrance to an underground shopping mall.

Here are some impressions of the new station:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9067954...oto_8232325352

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I like it, looks really nice.
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