FJORDCITY | Filipstad

[Galro]

It is at Filipstad, isn't?

[IceCheese]

Originally Posted by Osloborger

Is this relevant to Filipstad?

It's not related to the Fjordcity-project, no. It's still at Områdeprogram-stage, and I'm pretty sure we'll have to wait to 2013 before we see any construction related to this. In the mean time, Filipstad will be used as an asphalt-plant

[Osloborger]

Originally Posted by Galro

It is at Filipstad, isn't?

As I understand it, it is a temporary asphalt plant used to create asphalt to repair existing streets around Oslo. The fact that it is located at Filipstad doesn't have anything to do with the development of this area.

Sorry to crash the party, but this is how I read the article.

[Osloborger]

Originally Posted by IceCheese

It's not related to the Fjordcity-project, no. It's still at Områdeprogram-stage, and I'm pretty sure we'll have to wait to 2013 before we see any construction related to this. In the mean time, Filipstad will be used as an asphalt-plant

To the neighbour's delight, I'm sure...

[IceCheese]

PBE has uploaded a new schematic render I haven't seen before. It's dated "2011", and shows basicly what we saw in the Hans Jæger's renders. Highrise is gone, lamells have become quarters, we have the lowrise jungel towards Skillebekk, and overall density seems lower. Most probably this is what PBE works with for the area-program (they are some uncreative folks...). We already know the tram-line won't go there, and Hjortneskrysset won't look like that + area-programs really aren't very detailed, so hopes for changes...


Illustrasjonsplan Filipstad i forbindelse med arbeidet med områderegulering (2011)
Illustrasjon: Diiz Group for Plan- og bygningsetaten

[Galro]

Just add a general higher density and a few more blocks covering some of the biggest open squares, and I can live with that. I'm not the biggest fan of the fat highrise either way.

[Mulefisk]

I think it looks pretty alright as a foundation.

The main avenue looks a lot more urban, previously it also had a canal running through it, though I don't see the point of the strip of green, who will use a thin park next to a trafficated road? Drug addicts? Gypsies? Also the barrier between Skillebekk and Filipstad seems kind of pointless.

Really like the part towards Tjuvholmen and the park next to the fjord. That will be a great place to be in the summer.

[IceCheese]

The election campaigns starts now! Meeting in Litteraturhuset this Thursday.

Åpent møte om Filipstadutbyggingen

Filipstad bygges nå! Derfor viktig med innspill!

Torsdag 18. august kl. 1800, i Kjelleren
Gratis


Filipstad bygges nå! Derfor viktig med innspill!

Møteleder: Anne-Lise Bergenheim, leder i Frogner Venstre.

Panel med:
Byplandirektør Ellen de Vibe, Plan- og bygningsetaten, Oslo kommune
Havnedirektør Anne Sigrid Hamran, Oslo Havn KF
Nestleder i Venstre Ola Elvestuen, leder av Byutviklingskomiteen
Arkitekt Erik Sevestre, styremedlem i Ruseløkka/Skillebekk beboerforening

Plenum
Ordet fritt!


Møtet varer til klokka 21:00.


For spørsmål om innhold, deltakere eller eventuelt billettsalg, ta kontakt direkte med arrangør.

[IceCheese]

I was thinking myself here. Anyone else? With both Oslo havn and PBE represented, we could get some answers here...

[IceCheese]

Ok, third post in a row...

So I did go to the meeting today. (surprise!) The meeting seriously dragged by the lack of representation from Statens Vegvesen, but it was nice to hear not all the local NIMBYs weren't completely nutjobs, but had some realism to what to expect (ie, not grass).

A few things I heard were new/interesting to me, so I'll tell you about them

• 1 Oslo Havn are fighting against an extra cruise ship pier at Hjortnes.
• 2 PBE thinks the density north of E18 (the train-area) can be increased, if the area gets a railroad station or metro.
• 3 Frognerkilen will most likely end up with a combined solution for E18 futuring wide environmental-bridges and a descending of the road. PBE invited the neighborhood unions to cooperate for such solutions.
• 4 An woman probably in here 50-60ies arguemented hard for the hotel highrise!:lol.
• 5 But PBE thinks the same highrise is impossible due to it's proximity to Fram museet, that allegedly will be unproportionate.
• 6 Oslo Havn wants a school and a kindergarten within the ferry-terminal.

And most important of all: Statens Vegvesen is what it all depends on. What kind of tunnel alternatives are acceptable? Well, first they have to initiate the process for new regulations...

[Galro]

Two questions:

1. Did they say anything about the architectural competition they have talked about for "diamanten"?

2. Were there any nimbys present and what did they say?

[mjoks007]

3. With one less cruise ship pier. Will the whole terminal getting smaller, giving any extra room for other stuff? Thinking in relation to the render in #65.

[IceCheese]

Originally Posted by Galro

Two questions:

1. Did they say anything about the architectural competition they have talked about for "diamanten"?

Actually, they did. The building seemed important to them (Oslo havn). They had this picture showing this yellow three-floorer, that they seemed to be hoping for something similar. They also had a dream to fill it with "Apple's Norway office".

Originally Posted by Galro

2. Were there any nimbys present and what did they say?

Yes, the local velforeninger was there, as said. They didn't want a new ferry terminal to block the view from the Skillebekk streets, they rather wanted to tunnel Frognerkilen even if it ment no tunnel at Filipstad, and they wanted new buildings to be housing instead of offices. Other than that they were mostly pretty reasonable, other than a few headshakes towards the 33-floorer. For me living in indre øst, they were a dream!

Originally Posted by mjoks007

3. With one less cruise ship pier. Will the whole terminal getting smaller, giving any extra room for other stuff? Thinking in relation to the render in #65.

No, only the pier itself will get smaller. All other facilities of the terminal is planed for the Germany-ferry and related needs.

[starkwell]

Originally Posted by IceCheese

Actually, they did. The building seemed important to them (Oslo havn). They had this picture showing this yellow three-floorer, that they seemed to be hoping for something similar. They also had a dream to fill it with "Apple's Norway office".



Yes, the local velforeninger was there, as said. They didn't want a new ferry terminal to block the view from the Skillebekk streets, they rather wanted to tunnel Frognerkilen even if it ment no tunnel at Filipstad, and they wanted new buildings to be housing instead of offices. Other than that they were mostly pretty reasonable, other than a few headshakes towards the 33-floorer. For me living in indre øst, they were a dream!



No, only the pier itself will get smaller. All other facilities of the terminal is planed for the Germany-ferry and related needs.

Thanks for the time and effort spent - generally sounds very positive...

[IceCheese]

Plan sketch for Hans Jægers kvartal was sent in earlier this month. Plan shows 7 quarter, ranging from 6-12 floors, with the tallest point towards Munkedamsveien.

Renders are mostly what we've seen before, but here's the link to the plan document eitherway: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no...fileid=3308353

Map of the area:


Hearing and decission soon? We should see the områdeplan later this month as well.

(fun fact: I'm not the only one mixing up the områdeplan for Filipstad and detaljregulering for Hans Jæger in the planing documents)

[Galro]

I miss canals, but otherwise it looks like a nice enough plan. I only hope they chose to use quality architecture.

[Galro]

BTW: Can someone explain me the point with having masterplans competitions when it ends looking nothing like the winner either way?

Here is the winner:
[img]http://i56.************/2vw8huw.jpg[/img]

[IceCheese]

It wasn't really a design competition, but more of an idea-competition. All three companies made different suggestions based on some presumptions, and all had ideas that made it through as principles still in place. The winner you showed, Space Groups proposal, shows many ideas that have been kept; the green bridge over Hjortnes/the railroads, the ferry terminal, Hans Jægers kvartal, Huitfeldts gate, chaotic lowrises over NSB's railyards etc.
I think you misunderstood if you thought that masterplan wsa going to be built in it's original form.

[Ingenioren]

A quick picture of the highrise planned to keep in the area regulation:



But what use may it be in it's current state? I take it will be converted into office or residentials...

[Galro]

They will keep that?