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Old December 29th, 2008, 06:31 AM   #41
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The line is 20 miles. At $1.4 billion, that's $70 million per mile.
There are 28 stations.
Six stations have park-and-ride lots, with free parking (because of demand, the price may rise).
End to end supposedly takes 57 minutes.
There's a free airport shuttle until the airport people mover is built.
In downtown Phoenix, the light rail splits up because of one way streets and such.

This happened to be my first visit to a train system's grand opening and I was extremely excited. My father was my guide and we drove around to several locations so I could take photos in key locations. After about 1.5 hours of photography, we finally boarded the train in downtown Tempe, where a lot of events were taking place, including a Beatles cover band.

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Old December 29th, 2008, 06:44 AM   #42
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lots of pics on flickr...
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Old December 29th, 2008, 12:32 PM   #43
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Looks interesting. Lets hope it is spared the accidents that plagued Houston's light rail when it first opened - it took drivers by surprise!
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Old December 29th, 2008, 01:12 PM   #44
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Well done Phoenix! The system looks very neat.

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Old December 29th, 2008, 05:53 PM   #45
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Good news for Phoenix.
No offence but compared to european trams the north-american trams have a strange design to me. Just like american city buses, even if they are new they look a little bit outdated..
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Old December 29th, 2008, 11:23 PM   #46
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I think it's because government regulations prevent trains and buses from looking sleek like those in other countries.
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Old December 30th, 2008, 01:10 AM   #47
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Well I think they are the best design Trams/Light Rail that I have ever seen!
Sleek-- low profile and I asume low noise levels from below the cars.
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Old December 30th, 2008, 01:14 AM   #48
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Looks very good. Does anyone have a map of the light rail?
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Old December 30th, 2008, 01:15 AM   #49
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Phoenix is now 2nd place for longest starter light rail in the US. Los Angeles's Blue Line is 22 miles long.

And a map.

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Old December 30th, 2008, 01:22 AM   #50
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Lots of US metros are starting to build light rail. I hope this is a trend that continues and accelerates.
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Old December 30th, 2008, 04:45 AM   #51
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$70 million a mile? They could have built a subway for that kind of money, no?
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Old December 30th, 2008, 07:19 AM   #52
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Subways cost between $150-$250 million/mile depending on how much is actually tunneled, geography/topocraphy, labour costs. In a western country with high wages Phoneix has done very well.
I understand there is a 3 mile extention planned, is that correct?

One problem with many of the US mass transit projects built is that they build fine systems but then have poor frequencies. For transit to be both mass AND rapid, the trains should run at a maximum of every 5 minutes all day. People will take transit but they hate waiting for it.
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Old December 30th, 2008, 07:32 AM   #53
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From wikipedia, take it for what its worth



* The Valley Metro Rail Northwest Extension is one of the first extensions planned. Engineering has already begun on this 4-mile (6.4 km) route from Christown Spectrum Mall (Formerly called Christown Mall) station to Metrocenter Mall. Utility relocation, right-of-way acquisition, and construction will be from Spring 2009-2011. The project should be ready by late 2012.[10]

Proposition 400 was approved in the 2004 elections allowing for possible construction along:

* West to Glendale from the current terminus at Montebello,
* West from Central Station to the Arizona State Capitol complex, then north, and then west and adjacent to Interstate 10 and the communities of Avondale and Tolleson,
* North along SR 51 to Paradise Valley Mall in northeast Phoenix,
* South from the Tempe campus of Arizona State University to southern Tempe,
* East from the Mesa terminus, and
* North to Scottsdale, running along Scottsdale Road past the new ASU "Skysong" Center, a high-tech research area.

The plan also identifies several "eligible high capacity corridors" (Figure 8-4) for added service within a few decades:

* North on Tatum Blvd. past Paradise Valley Mall,
* West to suburbs such as Goodyear and Buckeye,
* North on I-17 to the Anthem community,
* Northwest along Grand Avenue in Phoenix to the West Valley cities of Glendale, Youngtown, El Mirage, and Surprise,
* Southeast to Gilbert, Chandler, Ahwatukee, and southern Phoenix proper, using a separate new rail line starting in downtown Phoenix, and
* North on Scottsdale Road as mentioned above.

The above projects all have completion dates ranging from the 2010s to 2020s, since studies and consultations must take place well before construction. Future increasing cost, especially in relation to right-of-way acquisition where land values are rising, is another issue.

edit: A little bit clearer from raillife.com
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Old December 30th, 2008, 12:21 PM   #54
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nice work... anyone has more pictures to put here...
how often does this train goes? as someone said... it should be at least every 5-10 minutes...
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Old December 30th, 2008, 12:36 PM   #55
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Nice to see an American light rail system that actually uses modern trains. Not too many of those sadly.
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Old December 30th, 2008, 05:54 PM   #56
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From SSP:

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:tup: AWESOME DAY :tup:

Well I started out at Camelback and Central at 9:30 .





There were beautiful flowers and art at almost every station.









At 10:07 the first light rail arrived and was already packed. Took it all the way to downtown tempe...





The curve in Downtown phoenix.





Over tempe town lake with downtown phoenix in the far background.



Got off at Veterans Way and College Ave.





Took an amazing tour of the tempe transportation center, hopefully a platinum leed building(Could be first in the US).












The roof...





Back in Downtown Phoenix...













AND THAT WAS....



Hope you all enjoyed!
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Old December 31st, 2008, 01:42 AM   #57
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Its been a VERY long time coming & MUCH overdue, but CONGRATS to Phoenix on the new light rail!

Comes rather late to shape those sprawling development patterns. But hopefully the light rail it will have a significant postive impact on future growth.

Denver started with a much smaller starter line in the 1990s & that's had a very positive impact. Hopefully the same will happen in Pheonix, especially with a much longer start.
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Old December 31st, 2008, 11:16 AM   #58
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It's quite nice, that in america we see such fine-made transit network, tram is the best opportunity instead of subway. It's also nice, that the cars are modern and good looking. It is intresting how the couple into trains like on this:
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q...wntown026.jpg? photo.
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Old January 2nd, 2009, 04:42 PM   #59
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Great for Phoenix!
That tram looks very nice
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Old July 18th, 2009, 09:33 AM   #60
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Quote:
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The line is 20 miles. At $1.4 billion, that's $70 million per mile.
There are 28 stations.
Six stations have park-and-ride lots, with free parking (because of demand, the price may rise).
End to end supposedly takes 57 minutes.
There's a free airport shuttle until the airport people mover is built.
In downtown Phoenix, the light rail splits up because of one way streets and such.
I am guessing that the $1.4 billion includes the rolling stock as $70 million per mile seems very expensive?

How is the patronage going now after 6 months operation?
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