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Old July 18th, 2009, 07:05 PM   #61
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I am guessing that the $1.4 billion includes the rolling stock as $70 million per mile seems very expensive?

How is the patronage going now after 6 months operation?
Yes, the $1.4 billion includes rolling stock and station construction. Writing it as $70 million is a simple (but not the best) way to compare this project to other light rail projects.
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Old March 30th, 2010, 02:24 AM   #62
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Since the Austin line opened up just last week, I'd like to know how Phoenix's system is doing. I remember seeing the rail lines when I was there back in the summer of 2008, looked really cool.
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Old December 16th, 2010, 11:21 AM   #63
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PHOENIX | Public Transport



Some background history of the line.

Light rail system "Valley Metro Light Rail": 32 km (20 miles), 28 stops; revenue service from 01 Jan 2009

Through Phoenix city centre, between Roosevelt and 24th Street, the light rail line runs along parallel streets, southbound on 1st Avenue and Jefferson Street, and northbound on Washington Street and Central Avenue.























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Old December 16th, 2010, 07:30 PM   #65
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Old December 16th, 2010, 07:54 PM   #66
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Nice photos. Phoenix is off to a good start. It's a shame that, like most transit systems in the U.S., there's no direct airport terminal connection. At 40K per day, ridership is pretty good for a new, single-line system, but I don't see that Transport Politic map being realized any time soon.

I like the station designs. Remind me a bit of Houston's. Is there any TOD planned?

How well received is the new service in Phoenix? I have to say I hear more anti-rail bellyaching about Phoenix's light rail project (in comment sections of new articles) than about any other major city's rail project in the U.S.

Is Phoenix going to be getting commuter rail any time soon, or Amtrak for that matter (I can only guess McCain has something to do with the fact that a city of 1.5 million--5th largest in the U.S.--has no national rail service).
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Old December 16th, 2010, 10:38 PM   #67
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No surprise there since Phoenix is largest car centric suburban city in the US, and Arizona in general is a very conservative state. Phoenix was the largest city in the US without any rail transit whatsoever until they built the light rail, . No tram, no inter-city rail, no suburban rail, no metro etc.

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Old December 16th, 2010, 11:08 PM   #68
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Nice photos. Phoenix is off to a good start. It's a shame that, like most transit systems in the U.S., there's no direct airport terminal connection. At 40K per day, ridership is pretty good for a new, single-line system, but I don't see that Transport Politic map being realized any time soon.
Sky Harbor Airport is actually currently building a airport people mover system that will connect to the light rail at 44th St.

http://skyharbor.com/pdf/automated-train-map.pdf

Anyways I would say in someways it is fairly well patronized considering that it serves ASU which is one of the larger colleges in the US.

As far as I know of there are no plans to add commuter rail, although there are plans to add extensions to the system.
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Sky Harbor Airport is actually currently building a airport people mover system that will connect to the light rail at 44th St.

http://skyharbor.com/pdf/automated-train-map.pdf

Anyways I would say in someways it is fairly well patronized considering that it serves ASU which is one of the larger colleges in the US.

As far as I know of there are no plans to add commuter rail, although there are plans to add extensions to the system.
It also stops right by the US Airways Center and Chase Field, which are both excellent ridership generators.
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Despite that Seattle prides itself on being so touchy-feely liberal and green, it's new system cost literally twice as much to build but only gets half the ridership.
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Old December 17th, 2010, 10:10 AM   #71
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Despite that Seattle prides itself on being so touchy-feely liberal and green, it's new system cost literally twice as much to build but only gets half the ridership.
Note sure what Seattle or the fact that its "touchy-feely liberal green" has anything to do with the cost of light rail in Phoenix but:

Seattle's system goes through a rather deep tunnel, as well as a quite long stretch of elevated viaducts and is mostly grade separated. These things up the cost.

Low ridership can be chocked up to the fact that it doesn't really hit the big population centers of the city quite yet while Phoenix's does. Seattle is currently building a tunnel that extends the line to the 2 densest neighborhoods in the city (Capitol Hill and the University District) that will boost ridership to almost 100,000 ppd. Other extensions to Lynnwood up north, Kent down south, and Redmond east across the lake are expected to boost ridership to almost 300,000 ppd. [/off topic]

I hope to see Phoenix do the same kind of expansion in the near future.
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Old December 18th, 2010, 04:28 PM   #73
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Despite that Seattle prides itself on being so touchy-feely liberal and green, it's new system cost literally twice as much to build but only gets half the ridership.
Seattle's system is more like a hybrid LRT/metro system with too few stops. It was designed to be quick, and regional in nature. The system is great evidence to debunk the idea speed attracts riders. The system is really fast, and barely attracts 20,000 riders.

If you want to attract riders, and have high ridership, you need to make the system convenient, and accessible. Pheonix's system is very accessible, Seattle's not so much.
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Old December 31st, 2010, 02:52 AM   #74
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Phoenix needs a theme park or like a amusment / water park. i mean really heres SOO many lots lose to downtown for one of these. i mean a city of over 4 million, a theme park would get so much attention and help out tourism and not just make people think that Phoenix is a dead dusty city, beacuse its now. its called poenix for a reason, it is starting to sprout up out of the ground like the phoenix bird coes out of the ashes.
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Note sure what Seattle or the fact that its "touchy-feely liberal green" has anything to do with the cost of light rail in Phoenix but:

Seattle's system goes through a rather deep tunnel, as well as a quite long stretch of elevated viaducts and is mostly grade separated. These things up the cost.

Low ridership can be chocked up to the fact that it doesn't really hit the big population centers of the city quite yet while Phoenix's does. Seattle is currently building a tunnel that extends the line to the 2 densest neighborhoods in the city (Capitol Hill and the University District) that will boost ridership to almost 100,000 ppd. Other extensions to Lynnwood up north, Kent down south, and Redmond east across the lake are expected to boost ridership to almost 300,000 ppd. [/off topic]

I hope to see Phoenix do the same kind of expansion in the near future.
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Old January 21st, 2011, 03:00 AM   #76
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I've ridden the Phoenix Metro in July. I'm absoutely shocked that Phoenix didn't take into account that it easily gets to 115 degrees when designing their stations. Phoenix is the hottest major city in the US and it amazes me that there is no relief from the heat.
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Old January 21st, 2011, 06:18 AM   #77
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I've ridden the Phoenix Metro in July. I'm absoutely shocked that Phoenix didn't take into account that it easily gets to 115 degrees when designing their stations. Phoenix is the hottest major city in the US and it amazes me that there is no relief from the heat.
Ditto for Miami Metrorail, but given the weather on the east coast, would you rather be waiting for a Phoenix light-rail train in 115 degree heat or a Miami Metrorail train in 95 degree heat with high humidity?
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Old January 22nd, 2011, 11:44 PM   #78
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Ditto for Miami Metrorail, but given the weather on the east coast, would you rather be waiting for a Phoenix light-rail train in 115 degree heat or a Miami Metrorail train in 95 degree heat with high humidity?
Having ridden Miami's Metrorail extensively over the years the stations have huge concrete canopys to shield people from the sun or from the daily downpours of rain we get in the summer.

The Metrorail Government station downtown:



Earlington Heights station :



The Phoenix light rail system looks good as do the trains but I do agree with you that those stations don't provide enough shade.
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Old January 23rd, 2011, 12:08 AM   #79
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It would have been great if Phoenix did a cut-and-cover subway underneath Central Ave and then surface lines away from Downtown with air-conditioned stops every half mile or so and regular stops in between. But the expense and the disruption of a subway section would have been extreme. A/C stops should still be built, if only a few each year.
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Old January 23rd, 2011, 01:48 AM   #80
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If the problem in Miami is "it's not the heat, it's the humidity" then shaded platforms aren't really the solution.

Valley Metro probably could provide more shade from the hot Arizona sun, but would that even matter? John McCain got skin cancer, and I don't even think he rides light rail.
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