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Old May 30th, 2012, 11:16 PM   #101
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Wow, plans are made! 2031! Grat job*, but at that time we would probably be able to use teletransponders!

What the heck do they plan to do meanwhile? All the plans from this map should be already done by the 2016!

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Sorry, that map is out of date. According to an article by Sean Holstege in today's Arizona Republic, it should actually be 2032.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...ak-ground.html
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Northeast extension: Valley voters originally approved a line into northeast Phoenix that ended at Paradise Valley Mall. Since then, the line has been deferred indefinitely, and no serious study has begun. Recent action pushes the opening date one year further out, to 2032.
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Old May 31st, 2012, 12:52 AM   #102
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Wow, plans are made! 2031! Grat job*, but at that time we would probably be able to use teletransponders!

What the heck do they plan to do meanwhile? All the plans from this map should be already done by the 2016!

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I agree, too little too far out. I'm not sure why planners in the U.S. propose ideas so far out they will be dead or elderly by the time the system is in use.
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Old May 31st, 2012, 11:31 PM   #103
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Proposal wouldn't bisect central neighborhood
by Emily Gersema - May. 31, 2012 08:20 AM
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Residents of a central Phoenix neighborhood near the Capitol have backed a new Metro light-rail proposal that would extend the light rail from downtown Phoenix west to Maryvale at 79th Avenue and Interstate 10.

The proposal calls for an 11-mile extension to start at Central Avenue, running west along Jefferson Street, north near 18th Avenue, west on Van Buren Street, and north on Interstate 17 to Interstate 10. The route would then run along Interstate 10 to 79th Avenue, the south side of the Maryvale area in west Phoenix.

Residents in the St. Matthew neighborhood north of the state Capitol did not like the original proposal, which would have required extending the rail downtown on Jefferson Street from Central Avenue to Interstate 17, splitting the neighborhood.


The St. Matthew neighborhood is bordered by 19th Avenue, Interstate 17 (Black Canyon Freeway), Fillmore and Jackson streets.

Although the St. Matthew neighborhood has not been designated "historic" by the city to receive any sort of special historic-preservation consideration, it is home to some of Phoenix's oldest houses. The oldest ones were built in the early 1890s, when Phoenix was a small town.

Early last year, John Maurin, 62, who lives in the same St. Matthew's home where his parents raised him, had asked the city and Metro light rail to consider another route that wouldn't bisect the neighborhood.

He then gathered signatures from residents and property owners in the area.

He drew support from organizations such as the charitable and religious organization, Neighborhood Ministries, which is based near 19th Avenue and Van Buren Street, and from the Downtown Voices Coalition, a group of business and community leaders who advocate for businesses and residents in downtown Phoenix.

Maurin and dozens of other residents last year said they were concerned that aligning the proposed rail on Jefferson Street would require the city and Metro light rail to acquire additional land, which could impact those old homes and lead to their demise.

They also didn't like the possibility that Metro light rail, to lower safety risks of intersecting with the Burlington Northern Santa Fe rail road near Van Buren Street, would have to somehow bridge the neighborhood. A bridge, they feared, would be a new division for the neighborhood.

Supporters of historic preservation have said the neighborhood had been divided once before -- in the 1950s, when the Arizona Department of Transportation built Interstate 17.

The freeway project split the neighborhood in two, and several of the old homes on the west side of the neighborhood were demolished to make way for the freeway.

The protests and petitions last year put pressure on Metro light rail and Phoenix officials to come up with a different proposal. They hosted dozens of meetings with residents throughout last year and up to early this month.

Neighborhood Ministries hosted several of the meetings where residents such as Alfonso Vasquez, 20, brainstormed a new proposal that, if it is supported by the Maricopa Association of Governments, will likely be the new path for the next extension of the light rail.

"Jefferson Street -- it was a residential street with homes on both sides," Vasquez said. "We were concerned that the light rail there would force families to move out."

The latest proposal to route the rail through the neighborhood on Van Buren Street is much more appealing because it minimizes the potential impact of the rail's construction on the neighborhood, he said.

The Phoenix City Council and Metro light rail's advisory board have backed the latest proposal. It awaits approval from the Maricopa Association of Governments Regional Council, which is expected to vote on the proposal in July.

After that, Metro light-rail officials said they will begin an environmental-impact and design study of the proposed route. The project could be under construction by 2017 and carrying passengers from Maryvale to downtown by 2021.

Currently, the light rail stretches 19 miles from Phoenix to Tempe and to Mesa. Construction is under way in Mesa to extend the rail another 3 miles east to Mesa Drive, connecting riders to Mesa's downtown district.

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There is an article in Arizona Republic about a possible second extension into Mesa
http://www.azcentral.com/community/m...expansion.html

Here is a comment on the board from a local anarchist:

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The standard of living in large cities that depend on mass transit is significantly lower than in areas that are optimized for cars. In New York, the cost of living is substantially higher than in Phoenix. Although the wages are higher, they are not high enough to compensate for the difference in cost.

People understand this! New York's growth rate is significantly lower than the Phoenix metro area. In fact New York's growth rate is lower than their birth rate, while Phoenix has experienced double digit growth rates for the last 40 years.

In Phoenix, we get to have single family homes with swimming pools, and neighborhood parks. People in New York get to live in apartments and smell what their neighbors are having for dinner.

You can keep your cramped smelly trains, I will listen to the radio in my air conditioned car.
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Old July 10th, 2012, 08:53 PM   #105
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What a fallacy... Isn't New York a bit too cold to have swimming pools anyway ?
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Old July 12th, 2012, 10:52 PM   #106
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Do southern US cities bear penchants for mythical traffic? Like Houston's share in this forum, the photos so far in this thread reveal a ghost town
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Old July 13th, 2012, 12:23 AM   #107
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How can an object "bear" a "penchant" for something?
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Old March 25th, 2013, 06:51 PM   #109
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PHX Sky Train set to open at Phoenix airport April 8

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Phoenix public relations agency owner Stacey Dillon said Phoenix’s new Sky Train will be a “relief” for her frequent travels to the San Francisco Bay Area.

She travels two to three times a month, choosing either Phoenix Sky Harbor International or Phoenix-Mesa Gateway airport. The biggest factor is the price.

With the free PHX Sky Train, which will begin its around-the-clock service at noon April 8, Dillon said she’ll be able to hop onto the light rail near her Chandler home to get to the Phoenix airport.

“This will definitely be a game-changer for me between the two airports,” said Dillon, owner of Public Safety Authority Media, a PR company that works for police associations. “One of the things I factor into booking my flights is the taxi ride cost. When the Sky Train is available, I will definitely use it and have more of my flights out of Sky Harbor.”

The Sky Train will provide a “seamless” connection for Phoenix Sky Harbor passengers between Terminal 4, the East Economy parking area and the Metro light rail station at 44th Street and Washington, according to a release.

Travelers can pick up the train every three to four minutes from Terminal 4’s level three, near the gates and security checkpoints. Terminal 4 serves 80 percent of Sky Harbor’s travelers.

It’s a two-minute ride to the east economy parking area, and a five-minute ride to the 44th Street light rail station.

“This is an exciting day for the city of Phoenix and Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport,” said Phoenix Mayor Greg Stanton in a statement. “The PHX Sky Train’s connection to light rail paves the way for convenient, multimodal transportation to and from the airport and is a true point of pride for our city.”

The PHX Sky Train, which is electrically powered and automated, will run 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.

“We are especially proud that the environmentally friendly project has achieved Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design gold certification from the U.S. Green Building Council,” Phoenix Aviation Director Danny Murphy said in a prepared statement.

Final preparations are under way for the opening, including sign changes, fence removals and traffic signals.

Along with the Sky Train opening, other perks will provide travelers more convenience.

The 44th Street station will offer early baggage check starting April 8, giving Southwest Airlines and US Airways passengers an opportunity to check their bags at no additional cost. This station will also feature a cellphone waiting lot for those picking up passengers.

Light rail tickets can also be purchased at this station.

The Sky Train is expected to extend to Terminal 3, with a walkway to Terminal 2, by early 2015. The Sky Train is also planned to travel to the rental care center in the final construction phase.

“This project is a significant milestone in Sky Harbor’s growth,” City Manager David Cavazos said in a prepared statement. “It will make traveling easier by relieving the roadways of congestion and will further connect our community with sustainable transportation options.”
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Old April 10th, 2013, 04:34 AM   #111
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I agree, too little too far out. I'm not sure why planners in the U.S. propose ideas so far out they will be dead or elderly by the time the system is in use.
The answer (as far as Phoenix Valley Metro goes) is quite simple really .....


NIMBY


End of story.

Folks in the Greater Phoenix Metro Valley area are far too addicted to their cars. And as was brought up earlier in this thread, some communities believe it will bring crime to them (Snottsdale, anyone?). If any of the figures listed about the Valley Metro are accurate (33% farebox recovery - so only 1 in 3 people using the light rail actually PAY to do so .... HUH??), every mile added to the system increases the costs across the board, which in turn will increase the amount the city/county governments have to pay to help support and keep the system operational. The Valley just ain't got the caysh to do that.
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Old April 10th, 2013, 05:54 AM   #112
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The answer (as far as Phoenix Valley Metro goes) is quite simple really .....


NIMBY


End of story.

Folks in the Greater Phoenix Metro Valley area are far too addicted to their cars. And as was brought up earlier in this thread, some communities believe it will bring crime to them (Snottsdale, anyone?). If any of the figures listed about the Valley Metro are accurate (33% farebox recovery - so only 1 in 3 people using the light rail actually PAY to do so .... HUH??), every mile added to the system increases the costs across the board, which in turn will increase the amount the city/county governments have to pay to help support and keep the system operational. The Valley just ain't got the caysh to do that.
Farebox recovery is not a measure of fare evasion its a measure of profitability of a system. So 33% means the fare of riding the light rail only covers 1/3 of the actual cost of operation.
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33% farebox recovery - so only 1 in 3 people using the light rail actually PAY to do so .... HUH??
You're not being literal enough. The truth is that 2 out of every 3 fareboxes gets stolen. How they get pulled out of the floor of the bus is another story.
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Farebox recovery is not a measure of fare evasion its a measure of profitability of a system. So 33% means the fare of riding the light rail only covers 1/3 of the actual cost of operation.
Thank you that for bit of education. I wasn't totally sure what it meant, and now I do!
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You're not being literal enough. The truth is that 2 out of every 3 fareboxes gets stolen. How they get pulled out of the floor of the bus is another story.
LOL ... nicely done.


And, last I checked, Woonsocket is in RI, is it not??
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Woonsockets are in Rhode Island and South Dakota, both lovely towns to spend a weekend or a lifetime...
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Having lived in Lisbon/Lisbon Center/Lisbon Falls, I know all about the beauty you speak of.
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Woonsockets are in Rhode Island and South Dakota, both lovely towns to spend a weekend or a lifetime...
Sorry for the post unrelated to Phoenix Light Rail, but Woonsocket, I'm always amazed at how you seem to know about transport projects around the world. The other day you posted about a station opening in the outer suburbs of Melbourne; I live in Melbourne and I'd never even heard of it!

How do you know so much? Do you work in the field, or are you just a super geek?

Anyway, thanks for all the hard work and effort you put into the forum. You're a great contributor.
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Sorry for the post unrelated to Phoenix Light Rail, but Woonsocket, I'm always amazed at how you seem to know about transport projects around the world. The other day you posted about a station opening in the outer suburbs of Melbourne; I live in Melbourne and I'd never even heard of it!

How do you know so much? Do you work in the field, or are you just a super geek?

Anyway, thanks for all the hard work and effort you put into the forum. You're a great contributor.
Categorize me as a super geek. I'm just a transit-geek at large. Here at SSC we have folks who specialize in Japan transit news, Paris transit updates, Montreal transit trolling, etc. I dabble in a little bit of everything.
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I fly to Phoenix once a month for work from ABQ, and do all my travel within PHX by Valley Metro and I must say IT IS AN ABOSOLUTE DREAM.

the system really functions so well and I am continually impressed by it's service, cleanliness and security.

We travel all over for work so I travel metro in alot of different cities. I have to say Valley Metro is truly top-notch. Even on Sunday afternoons it is packed in some stretches.

It is exactly the type of system I would love to see constructed in ABQ, or other fast-growing western cities that are on the "big" side of medium sized.
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