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Old February 14th, 2008, 01:12 AM   #41
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Actually, Shanghai is very loud in this one. You guys probabley see this as the 1970s modernist architecture, but if you look closely, it is internationalism.

INTERNATIONALISM should NOT be used in VERY LARGE BUILDINGS with multiple levels. Because IT MAKES THEM THEM LOOK SHORT AND CLUSTERPHOBIC.

what don't they get about this.
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Old February 14th, 2008, 02:53 AM   #42
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I like this design actually, its very un Chinese.
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Old February 14th, 2008, 03:10 AM   #43
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The design seems so retro-70-ish. Well, sorta...except for those slanting walls.
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Old February 14th, 2008, 03:13 AM   #44
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I like this design actually, its very un Chinese.
Agreed! I'd say it looks very American. The design is very functional, modern, and aesthetically pleasing.
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Old February 15th, 2008, 05:23 AM   #45
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2.7 construction site

from skyscrapers.cn

Entering the site


Maglev and subway station site




Beijing-Shanghai high speed rail




The ocean of cranes


Subway west station site


the whole hub






Airport terminal site






The old Hongqiao terminal


Surrounding area, this area will be hot after the project is done in 2010
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Old February 15th, 2008, 08:13 AM   #46
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That is a HUGE construction site!

I think they should add more runways to Shanghai-Hongqiao International Airport, though. I mean, that's Shanghai's main domestic airport. Since Chinese carriers use small aircraft for their domestic routes, the need for more runways (than just two) is truly necessary.
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Old February 15th, 2008, 07:52 PM   #47
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Unfortunately Hongqiao Airport is located close to the town and only has space for two runways. After the new terminal and 2nd runway are built, it'll be able to handle 40 million passengers, which is a big number for a 2nd airport. (last year Hongqiao Airport handled 22.6 million passengers)
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Old February 16th, 2008, 06:53 PM   #48
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Unfortunately Hongqiao Airport is located close to the town and only has space for two runways. After the new terminal and 2nd runway are built, it'll be able to handle 40 million passengers, which is a big number for a 2nd airport. (last year Hongqiao Airport handled 22.6 million passengers)
So that means the entire Shanghai municipality would have a total airport capacity of 140 million passengers by 2015? That would be insane!
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Old February 16th, 2008, 07:46 PM   #49
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Actually, Shanghai's 2 airports handling 140m pax per year is abit disappointing to me. London's airports handle much more, and Shanghai is the financial heart of the world's largest country in terms of population.
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Actually, Shanghai's 2 airports handling 140m pax per year is abit disappointing to me. London's airports handle much more, and Shanghai is the financial heart of the world's largest country in terms of population.
Largest reason being that most people in China do travel either by rail or highway coaches. Air travel is still considered very expensive by most regional travellers, and the rail and expressway networks in China are very effecient.
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Old February 17th, 2008, 09:18 AM   #51
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But, China's aviation market, the world's second largest, is still expanding...and at a dizzying rate at that. In twelve years time, it is set to overtake the U.S. to become the largest. China needs to build lots of airports (some of them should have lots of runways and huge terminals), expand existing aircraft-handling facilities and loosen airspace restriction to civil air traffic.
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Old February 17th, 2008, 09:53 AM   #52
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Actually, Shanghai's 2 airports handling 140m pax per year is abit disappointing to me. London's airports handle much more, and Shanghai is the financial heart of the world's largest country in terms of population.
Not really. London's six airports handle 150 million passengers each year while Shanghai will have 140 million. That's not that big of a difference. Shanghai will have 40 million more passengers per year than all three of NYC's airports.
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150 million pax for London?! Last time I checked, it was closer to 140 million pax.

And, I highly doubt Shanghai-Pudong International Airport's final capacity would only be 100 million pax. With five runways and three main air passenger terminals, Shanghai-Pudong International Airport could well have a full capacity of 120 million pax. Seriously. China's notorious for underestimating the fully-operational capacities of its airports.
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Old February 17th, 2008, 02:39 PM   #54
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its right what you write about pudong airport.

But somehow it doenst make sense, to have an airport like pudong with 5 runways or maybe even more in the future handling 100-120 mio passengers, and then this relatively "small" airport handling 40 mio wihtout the possibility to further expand in Hongqiao.

That just creates a huge chaos for transfer passengers, doesnt it?

If Hongqiao would be an equal second airport for the Shanghai metropolitan area, just like a second airport for Bejing is planned right now, it would make more sense.

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Old February 18th, 2008, 02:12 AM   #55
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150 million pax for London?! Last time I checked, it was closer to 140 million pax.

And, I highly doubt Shanghai-Pudong International Airport's final capacity would only be 100 million pax. With five runways and three main air passenger terminals, Shanghai-Pudong International Airport could well have a full capacity of 120 million pax. Seriously. China's notorious for underestimating the fully-operational capacities of its airports.
I got the 150 million figure from wikipedia's London Transportation page so take up any complaints you have with wikipedia. I got the 100 million figure from the Pudong Airport construction page, which got its information from the construction site. The bottom line is, Shanghai expects its two airports to be able to handle 140 million by 2015. Who knows what the real figure will be when this is all done. I am just responding to someone who said he was disappointed that Shanghai can only handle 140 million. 140 million is HUGE. Pudong Airport will have by far the highest capacity in the world. And it will have five terminals because both of T3's satellite terminals look about the size of one of JFK's main terminal.
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Old February 18th, 2008, 01:14 PM   #56
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"Someone" was disappointed because London's airports handle more passengers. And this place, Shanghai is supposed to be the heart of the world's most populated country.
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Old February 19th, 2008, 11:36 AM   #57
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This project is really something. The board says under one roof they'll construct,
  • West airport terminal (40 mln pax with existing one)
  • East transportation square
  • Maglev station (10 lines and 10 platforms)
  • High-speed railway station (30 lines and 16 platforms)
  • West transportation square
  • Subway stations (line #2, #5, #10, #17 and line Qingpu)
  • East and west bus exchange

All will be finished in 2 years and 8 months


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Old February 21st, 2008, 09:16 PM   #58
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Shanghai doesn't handle as many passengers as London because most people flying into London are tourists or business travelers. London is a bigger tourist destination and a bigger city (in terms of financial importance) so therefore receives more people flying in.

China's aviation market is only starting to realize. Flying is expensive for most of China's population. It will however increase in time as China becomes richer...

You're comparing two airport passenger statistics without looking deeper into the context. Things will change but it does require time.

Besides, 140 million and 150 million are not THAT FAR apart. Considering how London has SIX airports and Shanghai only has TWO...
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 06:11 AM   #59
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Shanghai doesn't handle as many passengers as London because most people flying into London are tourists or business travelers. London is a bigger tourist destination and a bigger city (in terms of financial importance) so therefore receives more people flying in.

China's aviation market is only starting to realize. Flying is expensive for most of China's population. It will however increase in time as China becomes richer...

You're comparing two airport passenger statistics without looking deeper into the context. Things will change but it does require time.

Besides, 140 million and 150 million are not THAT FAR apart. Considering how London has SIX airports and Shanghai only has TWO...
Let's take a step back and acknowledge that the 140 million figure is for 2015 at the earliest. Right now, both airports have a combined 40 million capacity.

Still, 140 million seven years later is nothing to be ashamed of. Pudong Airport will have a capacity of 100 million, which is the same as all three of NYC's airports combined.
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Old March 4th, 2008, 04:10 PM   #60
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Actually, I am surprised about that huge residential area, that was constructed on the upper right corner of the pic.
Is that for the resettled residents?

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