BERGEN | Byutvikling og byggeprosjekter | Development thread

[Þróndeimr]

Strong opinions against the new high-rise buildings in Bergen...?

Read this one if you understand Norwegian:
http://www.ba.no/meninger/spaltist/s...cle1246957.ece

She is against high-rise buildings, and call the proposed tower in Bergen downtown a Lego-penis, a huge colossus and is "actually a ugly high-rise"...!

[Gatis]

May be this is specific context... building huge and high building in very center of historical city is not always a good thing.

[Þróndeimr]

Originally Posted by Gatis

May be this is specific context... building huge and high building in very center of historical city is not always a good thing.

Yes it does, but the ppl is not afraid this will hurt the historicsl buildings, but destroy the skyline which they wants the wooden houses to be. But City hall is already the skyline, and that buildings is ugly, a commieblock from the 70c in grey concrete color. They should either rebuild city hall, or place a taller building near it.

[NorthStar77]

Bergen is a very special city, and even on the UNESCO list. So it's important to not make any arcitectural mistakes in the center of the city. But I would like to comment on one phrase that she uses(my bold): "Bygget blir dermed syv etasjer høyere enn den arkitektoniske kaktusen Rådhuset, og kan dermed vinne i kampen om styggest-stempelet i Bergen."

This sentence says:"The building will then be 7 floors higher than the architectonic cactus that is the city hall, and may therefore win the battle to become the ugliest in Bergen". By this she implies that there is a direct relation between tall and ugly. I can only say how typical, and how wrong just see my photo of the day in "Urban photo thread"....wich clearly prooves otherwise.

[NorthStar77]

New Brann stadium

Scetches for a new Brann stadium is ready, and construction can start next summer. The stadium will have 21.000 seats, and cost around 150 million NOK. There will be built areas for commerce, apartments and parkinglots in the stadium. It will be a new grass-floor(or what it is called in english), and VIP-seats. It will be financed by the municipality and rich supporters.

As it is today


New stadium


source: http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/sp...icle915547.ece

[Þróndeimr]

Hm, reminds me far to much of Ullevall. Don't like it at all actually, they should have had a far more spectacular stadium. I expected a typical stadium, but this looks far to typical. But this is lucky some easy first rederings, i hope it turnes out to become a bit better.

[NorthStar77]

Tram/lightrail finally to Bergen(again)

Ever since the tram was put out of service in 1965, there has been a debate wheter a tram-line should be re-established.
And after years of political battle, chances are now very high that a new tram/lightrail line will be a reality in some years.
Partially because the traffic problems in the areas along this line is getting rapidly worse. It is estimated that the traffic in
the area will increase by 50-70% within 2015.

The regulation-plans for the 10 first kilometers of the tracks are now finished, and the goverment has set aside money to
start construction next year. Total cost of this project is estimated to end up on 270 million euros, of wich 144 millions
is for the first 10 kilometers. It will be financed partially by the state and by the toll-road around Bergen. The track
between downtown and Nesttun will open in 2008, if everything goes well.

This map shows the route of the first 10 kilometers:


And this shows the route that is planned all the way to the airport:


The tram will go every 5 minute in the rush-hours, and each 10 minute at other times. When finished, it will serve
70% of the population in Bergen. The track will be feeded with busses going to the surrounding areas.

Downtown, the track will go in own public-transport streets, and out of downtown it will go separate from
other traffic, partially in tunnel.

Some illustrations

At the end stop downtown







Kaigaten


A new bridge at Nygårdsstømmen


At Wergeland


Another place


At Sletten Centre, where there is also a shopping-centre under construction.


Edit:
sources:http://www.bytrafikk.no/default.asp?...tent=146&mnu=1
http://www.bybane.no/

[Oberleutnant]

^
Okay, that was a wonderful post. Tänk juu! Because of the planned light rail system in Tampere, I have developed a weird "fetish" for trams and other similar systems. Given that Bergen is so narrow (I have to say, you NEED to get us a detailed map of the city -- the way it is placed between those fjords, it looks so unique!) tram lines running through it should give excellent for moving around.

With no disrespect to Oslo, I'm starting to find Bergen a very interesting place.

[Estboy]

wow...gongraz to Bergen...This project is very huge and nice(according to pics)
and I also counted 7 tunnels...
Btw how many bus-lines does Bergen have?

[NorthStar77]

Originally Posted by Oberleutnant

^
Okay, that was a wonderful post. Tänk juu! Because of the planned light rail system in Tampere, I have developed a weird "fetish" for trams and other similar systems. Given that Bergen is so narrow (I have to say, you NEED to get us a detailed map of the city -- the way it is placed between those fjords, it looks so unique!) tram lines running through it should give excellent for moving around.

With no disrespect to Oslo, I'm starting to find Bergen a very interesting place.

But Bergen is very interesting(says the man that has not visited for 23 years), except that some people find bergensians to be extremely loudmouthed and have having a tendensy to brag alot, especially about Bergen People from Bergen use to say "I'm not from Norway, I'm from Bergen". But really, we have an office there, and they are really nice people.

It is like you say, Bergen is squeezed between the mountains, and therefore the urban area streches out very far from the city centre. I think these maps, that shows the urban area of Bergen, clearly illustrates this.

[Þróndeimr]

Bergen gets high-rise areas

Today a new proposal was presented for the public. It presents a proposals of 6 specific area where its supose to be allowed to built high-rise buildings.



This is the 6 areas where its supose to be allowed to built high-rise buildings. This also means many proposed buildings today must be rejected. Projects like this is the 21 floor tall tower in Nygårdskvartalet, which was proposed a few weeks ago. Nøstetårnene is also in the area where its not allowed to buitl high-rise buildings. The downtown area outside these high-rise zones will have a maximum height at 27m, or 9 floors.But this is still just a proposal, reminds me a lot of the proposals of high-rise areas in Oslo nowdays.

[Þróndeimr]

Jonsvollskvartalet

A 17 floor/ 50m tall office and residential tower proposed for Jonsvollskvartalet in downtown Bergen. The proposal was published autumn 2004, and awaits its fate summer 2005. The proposal caused to major opposition, because its situated in a area with wooden buildings. Therefor, a new proposal may be published this spring.

[Þróndeimr]

Nice with trams in Bergen as well... Trondheim still has its trams, and a new tramrail is been planned up the E6 Elgeseter. But these planns is still not completed. And i think we actually need it, because the midtown can't handle much more traffic than today. And we will see a large increase in traffic there as well. But there is already a large tunnel project going on in midtown, at the harbour. Quite similar to the Bjørvika tunnel, just in a smaller size. This project is supose to be completed in 2009 i think.

[NorthStar77]

Originally Posted by Christian

But there is already a large tunnel project going on in midtown, at the harbour. Quite similar to the Bjørvika tunnel, just in a smaller size. This project is supose to be completed in 2009 i think.

Interesting! It would be nice to hear more about those plans too. My parents told me that there was quite alot of toll-roads in Tronheim, when they were there last month. Not only did the "main" toll-road charge both in and out of the city, there was also an inner city toll-ring, as I understood it. Is some of those money going to that project?

Anyways, that should probably be in a separate thread, as it is Bergen we are talking about here

[Þróndeimr]

Originally Posted by NorthStar77

Interesting! It would be nice to hear more about those plans too. My parents told me that there was quite alot of toll-roads in Tronheim, when they were there last month. Not only did the "main" toll-road charge both in and out of the city, there was also an inner city toll-ring, as I understood it. Is some of those money going to that project?

Anyways, that should probably be in a separate thread, as it is Bergen we are talking about here

Yes thats correct, there are several tolls in the outser city and the inner city. Well actually i think its very messy with the tolls because they are everywhere, suddently far outside the city, then we can find them in the inner city.

I can post these planns later, perhaps in the road development thread or a Trondheim development thread if i create it.

[Þróndeimr]

Ørnen

Status: On Hold
Construction: August 2005 - April 2007
Architect: Bjerk og Bjørge AS
Homepage: www.ornen.no/

Ørnen is a 12 story tall residential building, situated in downtown Bergen, in the heart of the densest area of Bergen. The tower contains 86 apartments and is expected to be completed in 2007. Construction was supose to start in august 2005, but the project has been put on hold due to opposition from population and politicians against the project.

[Þróndeimr]

Bergen Sjøfront, Nøstet

Bergen Sjøfront is a huge project, with the same size as the Fjordcity project in Oslo. Nøstet in a part of this project, and renderings has been released after the architectural competition in late 2003. Nøstet has already two high-rise proposals as you saw earlyer in this thread, but it also includes more. A 13 storey tall cultural and hotell building is also proposed. I don't know more about it actually, but i've heard that the city council is far more positive to high-rise buildings situated in the waterfront than high-rise buildings situated further in between the older squares and buildings.


This is a part of Nøstet, as you can se it contain mostly industry and warehouse builidngs, with older buildings up the hillside.


Its extremly important to keep this older buildings as they is today, so the proposal contains mostly new residential and cultural buildings at the waterfront which is today covered with industrial facilities.


In this rendering you can also see the shadow from the 13 story high-rise building standing on this island. That is the coverage of the shadow in winter.


Another rendering of the project and the surroundings.

[Moolio]

I've always regarded Norwegian architecture very highly, more highly than Finnish in fact, and these projects don't make an exception. I sincerely hope that these things get done as they are presented in the renderings, they very obviously are first-class design. Heja Norge!

[Þróndeimr]

Originally Posted by Moolio

I've always regarded Norwegian architecture very highly, more highly than Finnish in fact, and these projects don't make an exception. I sincerely hope that these things get done as they are presented in the renderings, they very obviously are first-class design. Heja Norge!

There is also some renderings of some very unique and nice cultural centers in this Nøstet project, i've seen only a few images in a pdf file, but i hope ill see more from them soon.

[Þróndeimr]

Vil stanse høyhus i Jonsvollskvartalet

Et 17 etasjers høyhus i Jonsvollskvartalet kan være i strid med nasjonale kulturminneinteresser, mener fylkesrådmann Paul M. Nilsen.



Hans råd til politikerne er at det blir reist innsigelse mot den nye bebyggelsesplanen.

Sterkere lut rår ikke fylkespolitikerne med overfor kommunene. Om ikke Berge sier nei til høyhusplanene, kan saken ende i Miljøverndepartementet.

Utbygger Ole J. Strønen fikk godkjent en reguleringsplan for Jonsvollskvartalet i 1999. Siden har det skjedd lite i kvartalet mellom Engen og Nøstet, bortsett fra riving og asfaltering.

Den snart seks år gamle planen forutsatte at alle Strønens bygninger ble jevnet med jorden. Siden har Strønen besluttet å bevare tre gamle trehus og finne plass inne i kvartalet til hele eller deler av Ekserserhuset.

I dette ligger forklaringen på høyhuset. For å kompensere arealet som blir brukt til å bevare småhusene og Ekserserhuset, vil Strønen bygge i høyden. Resultatet blir et hus som rager 50 meter over bakken - dobbelt så høyt som reguleringsplanen tillater.

Jonsvollskvartalet er ikke utpekt som egnet for høyhusbebyggelse. Tvert imot vil et høyhus her bryte med noe av Bergens særpreg; den teppeliknende bebyggelsen som følger terrenget. Fylkesrådmannen er positiv til at småhusene blir bevart og at hele kvartalet åpnes med en passasje. Men prisen for dette blir etter rådmannens mening for høy. Tirsdag skal saken opp i komité for kultur og ressurs.

Opposition is growing fast against the proposed 17 floor tall high-rise building in Jonsvollskvartalet. The county advicer/county councilor sais the proposal might be in conflict with some national cultural intrests. He recomend to the city council to out up exception to the proposal regulation plan.