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Old December 30th, 2010, 04:51 AM   #1
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South Works Project

If any large project deserves its own thread its this one.
Ive seen stuff on it in the south side thread.
But this is going to be its own neigborhood and maybe the
downtown of the southside.

Massive massive project.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/29/re...4&pagewanted=1

http://chicago.curbed.com/archives/2...#south-works-1

http://forgottenchicago.com/features...y/south-works/

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excerpt from times article (LSD is extended!!!)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/29/re...4&pagewanted=1

CHICAGO — A plan to redevelop the site of the long-closed U.S. Steel plant on the south lakefront here is ambitious even in a city whose attitude has long been Daniel Burnham’s maxim, “Make no little plans.”

William Zbaren for The New York Times

The about 470-acre South Works site juts into Lake Michigan and has dazzling views of downtown nine miles to the north. The master plan, by the architecture firm Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, calls for 13,575 market rate and affordable homes to serve 50,000 new residents, 17.5 million square feet of retail and commercial space, a high school and a marina with 1,500 slips, to be built in phases over the next 30 years. The estimated cost is $4 billion.

The project took a major step forward in September when the city awarded it a $98 million tax increment financing grant that will be used to build infrastructure for the development’s first phase. This followed a decision by the city last spring to approve the master plan.

Over three-quarters of the site is landfill in the form of slag, a byproduct of steel production.

The developers of the project are the U.S. Steel Corporation, based in Pittsburgh, and McCaffery Interests of Chicago.

Daniel McCaffery, the president of McCaffery Interests, said the project “boggles the mind. It’s the largest undeveloped site in Chicago.”
The development incorporates significant aspects of New Urbanist and sustainable planning guidelines by extending the city’s existing street grid and emphasizing smaller blocks, narrower streets and access to mass transit.

“I think this will be the new downtown for the South Side of Chicago,” said Philip Enquist, a principal at Skidmore, Owings & Merrill.

The plan also includes about 125 acres of new lakefront parkland as well as several smaller parks that are consistent with the architect Daniel Burnham’s bold Plan of Chicago of 1909, which called for expanding the city’s lakefront park system as part of a comprehensive regional approach to urban planning.

The site is vacant except for a small brick building at the entrance, which will become a marketing center, and several massive masonry walls along an old boat slip that bisects the property. One of the walls would be preserved as a reminder of the area’s industrial past.

“I love the walls,” Mr. Enquist said. “They look like they came from a different civilization.”

South Works began in the early 1880s as a division of the North Chicago Rolling Mill and was absorbed into U.S. Steel in 1901. For most of the 20th century, South Works was the largest employer on the city’s South Side with upward of 30,000 workers.

Over the years, the plant produced the steel responsible for such structures as the Sears (now Willis) Tower, the John Hancock Center and the McCormick Place convention center.

In the 1970s, however, U.S. Steel began consolidating its Chicago-area steel-making activities at its plant in Gary, Ind., and in 1992 South Works closed. The closing left a huge void in the neighborhoods to the west and south, which were largely populated by the families of steelworkers.

The site required years of environmental remediation and was also subject to several competing visions for its future before the current plan began to take shape in the early

Mr. McCaffery, who has developed mixed-use projects around the country, including the Market Common in Arlington, Va., said he planned to break ground on the first phase of the project in late 2012 after the completion of a new road along the western perimeter of the site. The road is an extension of U.S. 41, also known as Lake Shore Drive.

“The first step for this redevelopment was to realign U.S. 41 and make it more accessible for the site,” Ms. Raguso said. “We need to bring traffic down there.”

The first phase will include about 1,000 residential units, but the main focus will be 800,000 square feet of retail space. The cost, including the $98 million in new infrastructure, is about $397 million, a not inconsiderable sum in the current economy.

Paul Vogel, a retail consultant here, said he thought the developers were on the right track. “There are few places in America today that are understored, but the South Side of Chicago is one of them,” Mr. Vogel said.

The decision also acknowledges that the city is overwhelmed with unsold condos and housing units left over from the housing bubble

The long-term forecast may be brighter. A study by the Chicago Metropolitan Agency for Planning predicted that the Chicago area would add 2.4 million residents over the next 30 years.
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Old December 30th, 2010, 05:08 AM   #3
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Marketing Center Open

http://chicago.curbed.com/archives/2...evelopment.php

Planning the South Works mega-development has to be about as close to SimCity as you can get in real life, because the developers and planners are working with a clean slate. Construction isn't set to begin for at least another two years, but McCaffery Interests recently opened a 2,000-square-foot marketing center for South Works, according to a report from GlobeSt.com. The project, dubbed "Lakeside", will be built on 76 acres of lakefront property between 79th and 83rd streets. The marketing center includes a three-story viewing platform that looks out over the site and scale models of the planned development. The five-phase, 25-year plan calls for 13,000 homes and 17.5 million square feet of retail space, according to the article, and it will cost an estimated $4 billion to build.
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Old December 30th, 2010, 06:16 AM   #4
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http://www.mccafferyinterests.com/co...cfm/lakeside_1

New Marketing Site is at 8555 s greenbay chicago, il

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=...ed=0CBQQ8gEwAA
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Old December 30th, 2010, 09:43 PM   #5
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I don't mind having a separate thread for this mega development. But let's be realistic here - even under great conditions it will probably take at least 10 years to complete the first phase. And that's only a portion of the entire site. It will take several decades to complete the whole master plan (which will probably keep changing).
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Old January 1st, 2011, 06:24 AM   #6
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By default it will also serve at the South Chicago neigborhood news thread.


Well this thread and forum will hopefully be here the next decade or two as well. It will interesting to see what happens to this area.
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Sorry mohammed for not spotting this earlier
Thats okay, I like your enthusiasm!
This is definitely the coolest longterm project we have
going in Chicago. The Extension of LSD is probably the coolest part
IMHO.

Especially on a nice summers day to be able to drive all the way down
to South Chicago for maybe a bite to eat and check out the
Lake front? That would be aweseome....
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Thats okay, I like your enthusiasm!
This is definitely the coolest longterm project we have
going in Chicago. The Extension of LSD is probably the coolest part
IMHO.

Especially on a nice summers day to be able to drive all the way down
to South Chicago for maybe a bite to eat and check out the
Lake front? That would be aweseome....
^ Yeah, right.

As long as Chicago fails to see any real population growth, who should we expect to live here? There are already far too many vacant homes throughout the city.

Reality is, the white middle class (the group developers Quixotically always want to pursue) continues to prefer suburban living, or at least living in Arizona. Until we see some demographic change, I'm going to give the prospects of this development actually succeeding a giant thumbs down.

I really wish developers would try to target ethnic groups other than the white middle class. If you want to sell these homes, how about trying to market to Hispanics, or Asians, or other groups? In New York, whole swaths of Queens and the Bronx are full of Hispanic, Asian, Indian, and Afro-Carribbean families. The fact that Chicago cannot seem to capitalize on this trend just bugs me.

Imagine it now: an ad in city and suburban Hispanic newspapers (in Spanish, of course): "own a brand new home on Lakefront land! Have direct access to Lakeshore Drive! Live next to a marina! Have your own shopping center with a Hispanic grocer!" I think it would sell like hotcakes to Hispanics, city and suburban alike. But alas, white developers just don't get it...

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Old January 6th, 2011, 06:31 AM   #10
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^ Yeah, right.

As long as Chicago fails to see any real population growth, who should we expect to live here? There are already far too many vacant homes throughout the city.

Reality is, the white middle class (the group developers Quixotically always want to pursue) continues to prefer suburban living, or at least living in Arizona. Until we see some demographic change, I'm going to give the prospects of this development actually succeeding a giant thumbs down.

I really wish developers would try to target ethnic groups other than the white middle class. If you want to sell these homes, how about trying to market to Hispanics, or Asians, or other groups? In New York, whole swaths of Queens and the Bronx are full of Hispanic, Asian, Indian, and Afro-Carribbean families. The fact that Chicago cannot seem to capitalize on this trend just bugs me.

Imagine it now: an ad in city and suburban Hispanic newspapers (in Spanish, of course): "own a brand new home on Lakefront land! Have direct access to Lakeshore Drive! Live next to a marina! Have your own shopping center with a Hispanic grocer!" I think it would sell like hotcakes to Hispanics, city and suburban alike. But alas, white developers just don't get it...
Hey this is a long term project.
You have to build LSD first!
And then some retail and parks
and then some housing
then some retail and then some
housing and so on......


I happened to have been subjected to
Arizona living for a couple of years in
junior high and I HATED IT.
Really dumb (phoenix of all place too!)

As I said before you cant market to
a certain race anyways, thats social
engineering, where races live and
the pattern of how the city changes
is very slow and complicated
and we still havent come anywhere close
to a permanent equilibrium or some
magical place of hand holding harmony

Those people who came to newyork
werent specifically marketed to,
they came of their own accord
to areas where their ancestors
happened to have settled.
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first phase 2012 Lake Shore Drive Extension

http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/...aspx?id=176082

Critic doubts developer’s plans for vacant U.S. Steel site
by Tatiana Kouskoulas
Jan 12, 2011


Development of the long-vacant U.S. Steel site on Chicago’s South Side may finally get underway next year, one of developers said.

McCaffery Interests, Inc., one of the developers said the first phase of the project will begin in late 2012 after completion of the Lake Shore Drive extension, which will make the area accessible.

“The South Shore project is extremely realistic,” said Nasutsa Mabwa, an urban planner and project manager with McCaffery. “It’s in an underdeveloped area needing quality retail. It’s a grocery store desert. We need to convey this vision to the market place.”

Development of the site is part of Sandi Jackson’s campaign platform in her run for 7th Ward alderman.

The South Shore site is nearly 600-acres, the equivalent of 57 blocks. It has have been vacant for two decades.

Last spring, Chicago officials accepted McCaffery’s $4 billion plan to redevelop the site and in September awarded $98 million in tax increment financing for the development’s first phase.

Not everyone is convinced the project will take off.

Bill James, a principle consultant at Camiros, Ltd., an urban planning and development firm that prepared a prospective plan for the site, is skeptical.

“It won’t guarantee market support. That area hasn’t seen private sector investment in years,” James said. “[The project] is PR rather than actual news, the city is trying to create private sector investment.”

“The city is not promising anything of its own money,” James said. “$98 million is really a drop in the bucket for what is needed.”

“Zoning passed and Phase 1 TIF passed, now we’re working on marketing,” Mabwa said.

The master plan, designed by the Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, will be developed over the next 30 years by U.S. Steel Corporation and McCaffery Interests, Inc.

It calls for 13,575 affordable homes to serve 50,000 new residents, 17.5 million square feet of retail and commercial space, a high school and a marina.
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http://www.archpaper.com/e-board_rev.asp?News_ID=5094

Bjarke Ingels Makes No Little Plans
Danish architect ready to leave his footprints in Manhattan and beyond
Branden Klayko 01.26.2011


...Ingels’ own big plans are to also go west: “Chicago hasn’t found its form yet, but we’re in talks with [developer] Dan McCaffery about a large, mixed-use New Urban waterfront development,” he explained. The project would be part of the four-billion-dollar, SOM-planned South Works, on the site of an old U.S. Steel plant.
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...Ingels’ own big plans are to also go west: “Chicago hasn’t found its form yet, but we’re in talks with [developer] Dan McCaffery about a large, mixed-use New Urban waterfront development,” he explained. The project would be part of the four-billion-dollar, SOM-planned South Works, on the site of an old U.S. Steel plant.
If the thought of having Bjarke Ingels involved in shaping South Works gives you a hard on please raise your hand.

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...while I think handing the whole project over to BIG might be going too far, it is refreshing to see a Chicago developer go off the deep end and work with someone as fresh and wildly successful as BIG. My hopes would be that the area would turn into a showcase for architectural talent, not a cesspool of beige towers on podiums and McCrapboxes.
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Dave Matthews at South Works site.

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainmen...-3-day-concert

The South Chicago neighborhood that was home to U.S. Steel South Works is known as “The Bush.” The nuns at St. Michael’s Parish, 83rd and South Shore, told children the area was underwater in the early 1900s, and when the space was cleared, the bush emerged.

The Dave Matthews Band Caravan will put a space between the past and present in what will be Chicago’s most unusual concert venue, at least on July 8, 9 and 10.

The outdoor, no-seating, multistage festival will take place on the site of the steel plant, which closed in 1992. The land, now called Lakeside, cuts like a boomerang into Lake Michigan and has sparkling views of the city skyline about 10 miles to the north.

The festival will be the first exposure for most concertgoers to the hardscrabble neighborhood and the new Lakeside Development that is slated to include 50,000 residents, stores, a high school and a marina, all to be built over the next 30 years.

Matthews’ caravan includes David Gray, the Flaming Lips performing “Dark Side of the Moon,” Emmylou Harris, Ben Folds, the Jayhawks, G. Love & Special Sauce, Sharon Jones & the Dap Kings, Drive-By Truckers, Michael Franti & Spearhead, Daniel Lanois’ Black Dub, Dirty Dozen Brass Band and many others. Three-day passes, the cheapest tickets available, go on sale at 10 a.m. April 15 (dmbcaravan.com; 800-594-8499)

The event is a public-private partnership among U.S. Steel Corp., Lakeside developer McCaffery Interests of Chicago, festival promoter Starr Hill Presents and, in a rare collaboration, Chicago concert giants Jam Productions and Live Nation.

After a Thursday press conference at the barren site, Jam chairman Jerry Mickel*son couldn’t say what the venue capacity will be, but he did say there will be secured parking for 30,000 cars. There will be no camping. The venue will be temporary, like the pavilion on Northerly Island.

“This will give concertgoers a view of the South Side they have not seen,” said Ald. Sandi Jackson (7th), whose ward shares the site with Ald. John Pope’s 10th Ward. “This site is the best-kept secret in the city of Chicago.”

There could be future concerts at Lakeside. “If this goes well, this could happen for several years,” said McCaffery’s Nasutsa Mabwa. “We’re hopeful.” Jackson’s Facebook page said the concert will draw 70,000 visitors daily to the neighborhood.

The alderman also hoped a Barack Obama presidential library could become part of Lakeside Development. She said, “We hope he would consider this because of the fact this is where he got his start as a community organizer. The [John F.] Kennedy Library is on a site very similar to this [at Columbia Point in Boston].”

The Matthews Band celebrates its 20th anniversary this year and is taking the summer off, with the exception of four caravan shows. The caravan takes off June 24-26 at the abandoned Bader Field in Atlantic City, N.J. Details on the remaining two festivals are forthcoming.

Pope’s grandfather’s house is across the street from the site, which provided up to 30,000 jobs. The steel for the John Hancock Center and Willis Tower was sourced from South Works.

“I remember fishing in the slip while the mill was operating,” said Pope, who grew up at 8720 S. Mackinaw. “Great memories. And we will create new memories.”
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^ Yeah, right.

As long as Chicago fails to see any real population growth, who should we expect to live here? There are already far too many vacant homes throughout the city.

Reality is, the white middle class (the group developers Quixotically always want to pursue) continues to prefer suburban living, or at least living in Arizona. Until we see some demographic change, I'm going to give the prospects of this development actually succeeding a giant thumbs down.

I really wish developers would try to target ethnic groups other than the white middle class. If you want to sell these homes, how about trying to market to Hispanics, or Asians, or other groups? In New York, whole swaths of Queens and the Bronx are full of Hispanic, Asian, Indian, and Afro-Carribbean families. The fact that Chicago cannot seem to capitalize on this trend just bugs me.

Imagine it now: an ad in city and suburban Hispanic newspapers (in Spanish, of course): "own a brand new home on Lakefront land! Have direct access to Lakeshore Drive! Live next to a marina! Have your own shopping center with a Hispanic grocer!" I think it would sell like hotcakes to Hispanics, city and suburban alike. But alas, white developers just don't get it...
Well, in the United States we tend to use the blanket term "Hispanic" for all Spanish-speaking nations, but Mexicans and Puerto Ricans (the two largest Spanish-speaking communities in the Chicago area) are two different cultures with entirely different cuisines. So enticing people with a "Hispanic" grocer might not work, especially when you consider the American-born and anglocized children/grandchildren of Latin American immigrants (or the mainland-born descendants of Puerto Rican transplants, to be more precise, since PR is part of the US)...and there are many. Keep in mind that unlike much of the rest of the country where, Chicago's Latin-American-descended population is a mix of both recent immigrants and anglocized native Chicagoans that have been here for generations.

But I do agree that -if they're not already doing this- they should advertise to everyone to come and move in, and I completely agree that the Spanish-language media shouldn't be ignored. But I don't think that there's less demand among Anglo-White Americans to move into the city, than there is among native-minority and immigrant groups. Most of the city's population loss over the past decade was from the African-American demographic, if I'm not mistaken (according to the Census)...mostly working class people in pursuit of better schools, less crime, as well as affordable housing. While many Anglo-White Americans do still prefer to live in the suburbs, we know very well that many prefer to move to the city, if schools and other options were properly addressed. The evidence is in the growth of this demographic in the more affluent and dense parts of the city. It seems that everyone's main concern, regardless of ethnocultural or linguistic demographic, is schools and crime, followed by affordability, jobs, and transit. And we know that the demand to live in the city transcends income demographics as well.

Now I'm not sure about demand for this specific development, especially given the fact that -unlike neighborhoods that grow organically- large planned developments tend to struggle to attract businessed and residents at first. Who will move in if there's no grocery stores, no doctors, no dentists, no restaurants, no cleaners? And which business will move in when there's no residents? It seems like a great development though, and I really hope it succeeds.
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TUP: Chicago's lakefront communities are akin to New York's Manhattan in the sense that they are they most expensive and valued sector of their respective cities. Any new development is going to target the demographics that can pay those mortgages, which statically is white (less and less so, but still). Chicago also has "whole swaths" of ethnic neighborhoods (Little Village, etc..) just like the outer boroughs of New York, only on a lesser scale. I think that the problem is that some parts of the South and West sides of the city are so deteriorated that no group really wants to come in and 'seed' regrowth, at this point anyway. Oh, and Skyduster, not all whites are Anglo, right? Irish, Poles, Croats, etc.. are not Anlgo. But you knew that.
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Oh, and Skyduster, not all whites are Anglo, right? Irish, Poles, Croats, etc.. are not Anlgo. But you knew that.
Thanks for lesson, criminal, but I wasn't referring to people in Poland, Croatia, or Ireland.

This is a discussion on Chicago.

I was referring to the 70-75% of Americans who speak English and only English, and are descended from the the intermarriage of several European settler/immigrant groups.

A 4th-generation American who's "a quarter Croat, a quarter Irish, and half Polish", speaks English and only English, has never been to Ireland/Croatia/Poland, and didn't have a Polish/Irish/Croatian cultural upringing is an Anglo, as are the vast majority of Americans who claim to be "Irish" or "Polish" or "Italian", but are not Irish/Polish/Italian in any sense other than having a very distant ancestor from there.

Obviously, a Polish immigrant is not Anglo.

"Anglo" is a cultural designation, not a bloodline one. Americans, Brits, Australians, New Zealanders, and Anglophone Canadians are collectively referred to as Anglos in a broader sense. So, by extension, it also includes African-Americans and anglocized Hispanic-Americans depending on context (like anglocized Hispanic-American tourist [who speaks no Spanish] visiting Latin America or Europe).

It's no less accurate than calling a Mestizo Mexican, Black Dominican, Indian Bolivian, and White Argentine (of Italian and German descent) all "Hispanic".

The majority of Americans belong to a single, English-speaking ethnic group that's descended from the intermarriage of several European settler-immigrant groups. These are the so-called "White" people, but "Anglo-White" is a more accurate term, since many Spanish-speakers are also White. And since not all White people are Anglos (like recent Polish immigrants).

But you knew that.
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Skyduster,

I understand how you are using the term and whom your are describing with it, but that usage is incorrect. The term Anglo describes people of English descent, period. So it does have everything to do with bloodlines, and just because mainstream media and perhaps some academics have come to use therm to describe the typical American of European descent because some of the first Europeans in America were British, doesn't make it correct. You can describe them as Anglophone, because of language, but that's about it. You said it yourself when saying that it's no less accurate than describing Spanish-speakers as Hispanic. That's right, both terms are incorrect. I'm not even going to address some of the points you made in your argument, which are just baseless, because honestly what's the point. I'm not here to argue.
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A good write up on the DMB music festival going on there in July

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Dave Matthews Caravan a field of dreams

Steve Johnson

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4:50 p.m. CDT, June 28, 2011


.......Mostly landfill, the property punches out into Lake Michigan so that, on a clear day, the view of downtown is unimpeded and spectacular. And it's so vast that even 33,000 people a day — Jam won't release a guesstimate, but that's the number it told the land's owner — won't feel cramped.

Matthews, the jam-band frontman who is still one of the nation's biggest concert draws even if his radio heyday has passed, had not been planning to tour this summer, his representatives have said. But late last year, the band changed its mind and decided to front a four-location summer festival. (The others are Atlantic City, held last weekend at a former airport to general acclaim for the logistics, New York City in late August and George, Wash., in early September.)

"For a long time, I've thought about (the U.S. Steel land). I've looked at it," said Mickelson. "It was in December when the Dave Matthews Band, the management, called about looking for a site in Chicago."

It was also late last year when McCaffery Interests, the Chicago real estate development firm that co-owns the land with a U.S. Steel real estate company, began trumpeting once again its own plans to develop the site.

"It's really a beautiful, beautiful piece of land," said Dan McCaffery, the firm's CEO, "and what's great about it is just how absolutely virgin it is. There's no power running under it, no water system" — a developer's tabula rasa dream............

The concert would be merely an interim use, one that could run for four or five years without being bothered by development. Another such use is a planned velodrome to the south, an indoor bike-racing facility whose backers will erect an outdoor track to showcase the idea later in July, said Emanuele Bianchi, the Chicago businessman working to fund the velodrome.

"For me, it's going to be a lot easier after 30,000 or 40,000 people show up at this event," Bianchi said, citing the difficulty he's had in even explaining to people where his cycling palace would be.

What McCaffery wants to do, detailed in drawings and videos in the company's on-site showroom, is dramatic — creation rather than a mere makeover.

In his plan, malls will be built, lakefront parkland donated, the city's largest marina constructed, entire neighborhoods erected on ground that used to produce the raw materials of construction. It's a $4 billion, 30- or 40-year plan, carved up into separate phases.

Phase 1, which McCaffery says he wants to start building next spring, will develop a chunk of the land north of the concert site with a shopping center, much needed in the neighborhood, that is already being marketed to potential tenants, and a mix of townhomes and mid- and high-rise residences.

And to service the area, Lake Shore Drive will be extended, on new territory and along the path of the current South Shore Drive, with an estimated completion in 2013.

Ed Sadlowski, who was president of Local 65 of the United Steelworkers of America at South Works when the mill closed, will believe it when he sees it.............

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How are they extending Lake Shore Drive to the U.S. Steel site? I haven't seen any details about it.
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