The "big" Irish military thread

[Lostboy]

Look I dislike Odlum as much as the next person, with his lack of gratitude shown to the Germanic Nations for their subsidies, personifies the Celt better than anyone.

But if his country doesn't want to be part of the dirty little Commonwealth and wear grubby little war flowers they do not have to. There is a disturbing imperialism on this thread that is worse even than Odlum.

[nordisk celt83]

Lorddanger, I know it's gone off course because of the usual suspects like Dovis.

Just to clarify a few things; 5-15% of the population in any given part of the Republic are British born and from Britain itself, and wearing of the poppy isn't an uncommon sight in the ROI.

As someone who has travelled frequently, I'd say it's far more common to see a poppy in the ROI than in the States or in continental European countries. In fact I was in Dublin Airport on Rememberance Sunday this year (going to the us), and the trumpet thingy sounded and some people stopped to observe a silence. (I was in the US later the same day and there was not one sign of it being rememberance day; didn't see one poppy)

Also, every November a national rememberance service is held at Saint Patrick's Cathedral in Dublin, and the President attends as the main guest of honour.

In addition to this, the Republic has war memorial gardens and war memorial halls all over the country built to remember Irish people who died in the two world wars. And, on top of all this, each July there is a national commemoration to remember Irish people who have died in ALL wars!!!

Irish people don't wear poppies because it's not a tradition in the country, and because we have our own means of remembering those who have died in all conflicts.
Why doesn't everyone everywhere wear a shamrock on Saint Patrick's Day and why Doesn't everyone wear Easter Lilly's?? Because they're not from Ireland and they inadvertenty don't give a shit!!! It's pretty simpe!!!




Seriously, it's bizarre how a country with a smaller population than Yorkshire always manages to drag the trolls out, and evoke such negativity.
Anyway, back on topic here's a nice pic of the Le Eithne, deaparting the Naval service HQ in Cobh.

[gothicform]

Irish people don't wear poppies because it's not a tradition in the country, and because we have our own means of remembering those who have died in all conflicts.
Why doesn't everyone everywhere wear a shamrock on Saint Patrick's Day and why Doesn't everyone wear Easter Lilly's?? Because they're not from Ireland and they inadvertenty don't give a shit!!! It's pretty simpe!!!

that's all well and good. i googled a little about poppy wearing in ireland... there's things like kids being suspended from schools because they wear poppies in this day and age. if people want to wear one that's up to them and they should, but to actually discriminate against someone because of it is sick in the extreme.

As someone who has travelled frequently, I'd say it's far more common to see a poppy in the ROI than in the States or in continental European countries. In fact I was in Dublin Airport on Rememberance Sunday this year (going to the us), and the trumpet thingy sounded and some people stopped to observe a silence. (I was in the US later the same day and there was not one sign of it being rememberance day; didn't see one poppy)

in the USA they tend to do it on memorial day... the americans don't treat the 11th of november like the british, french, belgians and germans do. spot the poster of poppies next to the vietnam war memorial and a quote from "in flanders fields".

http://www.legion-aux.org/Programs/Poppy/index.aspx

[odlum833]

Originally Posted by nordisk celt83

Irish people don't wear poppies because it's not a tradition in the country, and because we have our own means of remembering those who have died in all conflicts.
Why doesn't everyone everywhere wear a shamrock on Saint Patrick's Day and why Doesn't everyone wear Easter Lilly's?? Because they're not from Ireland and they inadvertenty don't give a shit!!! It's pretty simpe!!!

I would like for once just one thread to stay on topic. There is a first for everything! You see Gothic does not get the simplicity of your point - it's the same point I have been making. It is not because Irish people generally dislike anyone it's because they are indifferent. And why would they not be? We have our own country with our own memorials. Simples. It's like these people are offended or something and it's another example of them sticking their craw in where it really has nothing to do with them.

Of course people who have died in the cause of freedom and democracies should be commemorated. They are commemorated, just not like a herd of lemmings wearing a flower for 4 weeks.

[nordisk celt83]

Seriously, what are you on about?? Visit on the 11th ffs... Our president lays poppies, has worn a poppy and our future president has worn poppies and attends the annual service in his personal Cathedral of worship. There's no discrimination, and if there is, it's exceptionally rare.
Seriously, some people need to visit Anglican cathedrals and churches that are present in pretty much every single city, town and village in the ROI and get with the program!!!

Most people don't wear them on Rememberance Sunday because they're oblivious, it's a foreign commemoration and they don't give a shit; as Odlum said it's not rocket science.


Odlum, I won't feed the usual suspects any longer... As someone born and bred in Norway, it just never ceases to amaze me how a tiny country with a population smaller than Yorkshire always evokes these tirades.

Anyway, back on topic to ships, tanks and stuff!!!

[gothicform]

I would like for once just one thread to stay on topic. There is a first for everything! You see Gothic those not get the simplicity of your point - it's the same point I have been making. It is not because Irish people generally dislike anyone it's because they are indifferent. And why would they not be? We have our own country with our own memorials. Simples. It's like these people are offended or something and it's another example of them sticking their craw in where it really has nothing to do with them.

Of course people who have died is the cause of freedom and democracies should be commemorated. They are commemorated, just not like a herd of lemmings wearing a flower for 4 weeks.

my grandfather on my mother's side was irish... he died fighting for the british in world war 2. still what the fuck do i know... oh yeah, that's why you're not speaking german. anyway, it was commemorated until 1932 when the wonderful de valera made it *illegal*. the situation was so shameful half the catholic irish volunteers who fought for the british in the first world war didn't even return to ireland, or had to flee. poppy sellers were assaulted in the streets, remembrance day ceremonies were disrupted... and you don't have it as tradition. perhaps i should argue against other things that are not "tradition" because a ruling party stamped them out through oppression and use them to justify their now non-existence.

Our presidet lays poppies, has worn a poppy and our future president has worn poppies and attends the annual service in his Cathedral of worship. There's no discrimination, and if there is, it's exceptionally rare.

yeah. this is what i don't get... they get the poppies from the ROYAL BRITISH LEGION. why isn't there an irish poppy like there is for all the other countries??? there absolutely should be.

[odlum833]

Originally Posted by gothicform

that's all well and good. i googled a little about poppy wearing in ireland... there's things like kids being suspended from schools because they wear poppies in this day and age. if people want to wear one that's up to them and they should, but to actually discriminate against someone because of it is sick in the extreme.

I highly doubt that goes on and it should'nt if it does, people can wear whatever they like, but you also seem to overlook we don't exactly a comfortable history do we? That has alot to do with the indifference and just general "don't want to know" feeling aswell. It's not seen as relevant to us.

But these soldiers are commemorated. Just because most don't wear a poppy does not mean people do not think of them.

[nordisk celt83]

Also, €100million for a couple of ships!!! Get that back in the kitty straight away!!! I'll be using that on the doorstep when I'm canvassing for Labour!

[nordisk celt83]

Originally Posted by gothicform

yeah. this is what i don't get... they get the poppies from the ROYAL BRITISH LEGION. why isn't there an irish poppy like there is for all the other countries??? there absolutely should be.

Yeah, that's true. Never underestimate the apathy and indifference of the Irish population. It's been up for discussion, but people don't care enough!!!

[odlum833]

Originally Posted by nordisk celt83

Also, €100million for a couple of ships!!! Get that back in the kitty straight away!!! I'll be using that on the doorstep when I'm canvassing for Labour!

In fairness the Navy is the only area that has really not had much investment over the Celtic Tiger regime. €100m is not alot compared to the vast sums wasted elsewhere. And ships need replacing aswell.

[nordisk celt83]

Ok, I'll say nothing so. Back to scratching head as to how we'll come with a few billion here and there.
In fairness to the navy, they do a great job with limited resources!!!

[LondonFox]

Originally Posted by Lostboy

Look I dislike Odlum as much as the next person, with his lack of gratitude shown to the Germanic Nations for their subsidies, personifies the Celt better than anyone.

But if his country doesn't want to be part of the dirty little Commonwealth and wear grubby little war flowers they do not have to. There is a disturbing imperialism on this thread that is worse even than Odlum.

Haven't you died yet?

[lordangers5]

Originally Posted by odlum833

I only found a picture of one of them it will look something like. Apparently this one is going to Qatar.




Plenty of discussion about the ships here of the pros and cons etc.

http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com...d.php?p=248739


Can't find any renders or pictures of the other ship.

Thanks there Odlum, fantastic pic. Looks very nice indeed. And thanks for the link too I shall have fun no doubt
Thanks also nordisk for another great pic.

[hovis]

Originally Posted by odlum833

I highly doubt that goes on

Oh well, that's proof enough for me.......... odlum doubts it.

[hovis]

Originally Posted by nordisk celt83

Yeah, that's true. Never underestimate the apathy and indifference of the Irish population. It's been up for discussion, but people don't care enough!!!

Pity that hasn't been the case of past Irish governments then, eh?

[heatonparkincakes]

This picture always makes me laugh.
http://joyandforgetfulness.blogspot....-of-1930s.html

Apparently the helmets were made in Coventry and weren't cast very well and easily dinted. They were soon ditched when WW2 began.

Modern day Ireland does well for not needing a huge military budget. Lucky in that geographically it has no strategic external risks. And what it has does what is necessary in the modern era.

What next on here the "big" Icelandic military thread?

[odlum833]

Originally Posted by hovis

Oh well, that's proof enough for me.......... odlum doubts it.

Well I only live here - what the fuck would I know?


You have no points to make. Does anyone know what your last point was about Governments? - no.

[hovis]

Originally Posted by odlum833

Well I only live here - what the fuck would I know?

Whatever suits you......

You have no points to make. Does anyone know what your last point was about Governments? - no.

Maybe you just can't read.......

[odlum833]

I don't see what point you are trying to make at all.

[odlum833]

Originally Posted by lordangers5

Thanks there Odlum, fantastic pic. Looks very nice indeed. And thanks for the link too I shall have fun no doubt
Thanks also nordisk for another great pic.

Some info today on one of the ships.

STX Canada Marine reunites with Babcock Marine and Appledore Shipyards for new Irish OPV


Irish OPV

STX Marine was recently awarded the contract by Babcock UK subsidiary, Devonport Naval Dockyard, to design the next generation Offshore Patrol Vessel for the Irish Naval Service (INS). The new OPV will be a lengthened version of the current STXM PV80 design of which two vessels, L.E. Roisin and L.E. Niamh were delivered by Appledore Shipbuilding in 2000 and 2001.

The tender process for the new vessels began in 2008 and it was late summer of this year that Babcock reached agreement with the Irish Defence Department to deliver two new vessels to enhance the INS fleet. The success of the existing vessels, and in particular the high quality of construction from Appledore Shipyard, were clearly an influencing factor in selecting Babcock and STXM for the contract. The new PV90 vessels will maintain the overall configuration of the PV80 but will be increased in length by more than 10 metres and have an additional 0.60m in depth to provide greater operational capability for the rough waters patrolled by the INS.

The maximum speed of the vessels will be increased to 23 knots and the addition of a power input on each gearbox will permit more efficient low speed operation without having to run the main propulsion system at very low power levels. STXM will provide the Classification Design of the vessel and looks forward to continuing the excellent relationship with Appledore Shipbuilders from the previous contract in the late 1990’s.

http://www.stxmarine.net/headlines.html#IRISH

There is a render there aswell.