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Old August 22nd, 2013, 11:06 PM   #61
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If not, if train operators have to look out for traffic, if they command switches and signs from their cabins, if vehicles are not controlled on blocks/signal but visually by operators, then it is a tram.
Thatīs exactly what itīs about. In Germany itīs allowed to run with 70 km/h without signals and Poznans fast-tram does this too. But this is limited to a certain kind of track-layout, length of train and the intervals.

As many US light-rail system make use of an own right of way, sometimes converted heavy-rail, I would like to know if they have signals. You canīt have high speed and high capacity without signals.

Of cause not the whole network of a lighht-rail has to have signal-blocks. But the more it has the nearer it comes to a conventional metro-system.

Bergen light-rail operators put this question about their tunnels. Normally tunnels have to be equipped with signals. In german law (BOStrab) a tunnel can be kept free from signalling if the end of the tunnel is always visible (good enough) for the driver. I think thatīs what they have done in Bergen to avoid signals, as they leaned on this german regulation. It saves a lot of money.

Well, I donīt have been in Bergen and it seems to be a big success. So regardless what you name it, the difference between a fast and modern tram and light-rail can be a very little one.

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Old October 29th, 2013, 11:49 PM   #62
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There are currently discussions about the possibility of running a light rail line past Bryggen in Bergen, which is a UNESCO site. The Norwegian advisers to the UNESCO says they can accept it while the directorate for cultural heritage says it should be run through tunnel instead.



http://www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/Unes...n-2995154.html

There used to be a tram line there but it was shut down in 1965.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 08:58 PM   #63
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It's possible now to run the tram without a catenary for short sections at least to minimise the visual impact. Bordeaux has been a pioneer on this, I believe.

Of course if there is no better use for the money then tunnel is ok too.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 10:39 PM   #64
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It's insane to run it in a tunnel exclusively or mainly for "heritage protection" reasons. Especially as there is no heritage to protect, only to restore. Just look at the old pictures.

Cables run wild in Vienna all around the UNESCO protected inner district along the prestiguous ring road. Its no problem there why should it be in Bergen? Invest a bit more in classy cable holders and that's all it needs.

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Old November 1st, 2013, 03:53 AM   #65
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The county administration have voted in favor of running it across the Bryggen. Now it is up the municipality. It is possible that the directorate for cultural heritage will appeal the decision and then it will be up the national government to decide.

http://www.bygg.no/2013/10/115685.0
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Old November 1st, 2013, 03:56 AM   #66
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Its no problem there why should it be in Bergen?
Because the Norwegian directorate for cultural heritage have no jurisdiction in Vienna. They are notorious for being extremely nimby and unreasonable in their demands. You wouldn't imagine all the projects they have managed to stop or getting changed due to claims about it disturbing the historic values of areas.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 05:14 AM   #67
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Bergen also has a trolley-bus system. Does this new LRT system physically cross the trolley-bus? I'd like to see complex wiring.

Here is an example of complex LRT trolley-bus crossing from San Francisco, the location is Church Street and Duboce Avenue where the route 22 trolley-bus crosses J and N line LRT. (Photo courtesy of Art Curtis)

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Old November 5th, 2013, 12:13 AM   #68
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They never cross, there is only one trolley-line and it's parallel to the light rail on a north-south route.
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Old November 5th, 2013, 01:16 AM   #69
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I think the planned light rail line crossing Bryggen will cross the trolleybus line though unless they are planning to move the trolleybus.

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Old November 27th, 2013, 06:39 PM   #70
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And the biggest political party in Bergen (conservatives) had an internal vote and there was a clear majority for a tunnel through the rest of the city center. It looks like it's now allso a majority in the Bergen municipal to go for a tunnel with 3 underground stations (Byparken, Vetrlidsalmennngen/fløibanen, Krohnengen)
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Old October 19th, 2015, 06:43 PM   #71
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From Rail Journal:

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Longer LRVs arrive in Bergen
Monday, October 19, 2015



THE first of eight 42.1m-long Variobahn low-floor LRVs being supplied by Stadler Pankow for the light rail network in Bergen arrived at the Norwegian city's port on October 19

The seven-section bidirectional trams will accommodate up to 278 passengers, 111 of them seated, compared with 212 passengers (including 98 seated) on the existing 32.2m five-section vehicles

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Old October 27th, 2015, 04:49 PM   #72
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From Global Rail News:

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Loan to finance Bergen airport light rail expansion
27 OCT, 2015



Norwegian airport operator Avinor AS has secured a €200 million loan from the European Investment Bank (EIB) to fund the construction of a third terminal at Bergen airport – a project which will include the creation of a new light rail station.

Bergen is the second-busiest airport in Norway, handling more than six million passengers a year.

Construction of the terminal and associated infrastructure works began in 2014 and is due to be completed in August 2017

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Old October 30th, 2015, 03:14 PM   #73
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Construction is well underway.

Here is station at the new airport terminal (the airport is only about 20km from the city center):




More from construction from 3rd stage to the airport:





http://bib.origo.no/-/sandbox/archive/39806_bib?page=2

First of the longer trams have arrived in Bergen this month, all of the existing will be upgraded to the same lenght.


Status update:The passenger numbers is higher than expected at this stage. The plan now is to continuously build lines to the north and west of the city, but there are some discussion on where and how it should be built through the city center itself. The east already have local train connection.
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Is the third terminal at Bergen airport in agreement with the expected traffic in future?

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Old August 15th, 2016, 04:32 PM   #75
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Light rail extension from Lagunen to Birkelandsskiftet opened as scheduled today. Map from urbanrail.net:
http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/no/bergen/bergen.htm

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Is that map correct? The second-to-last station in the outbound direction is identified as Kokstad on the official schedule.

https://www.skyss.no/globalassets/bu.../1_bybanen.pdf
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Are there plans to extend the light rail northwards, to Asane?
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Are there plans to extend the light rail northwards, to Asane?
The extension to Asane was supposed to be next, but there's a major disagreement among the political parties as to the route. Initially it was supposed to go along Bryggen, Bergen's signature medieval waterfront. But there was such an outcry against that they decided to do the extension to Fyllingsdalen first and save Asane for the next expansion, which will be a number of years down the road before they make a decision as to the routing (tunnel through town or along Bryggen).

There's a video of the planned route to Fyllingsdal here.
http://www.hordaland.no/nb-NO/bybane...dalen-er-klar/

One neat feature is that next to a 3 kilometer tunnel for the LTR, there will be a tunnel for bicyclists and pedestrians that will also function as an escape route.
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Old February 27th, 2017, 10:25 AM   #79
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A 3 km tunnel under a mountain for pedestrians seems kinda excessive and borderline irresponsible.
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A 3 km tunnel under a mountain for pedestrians seems kinda excessive and borderline irresponsible.
For safety reason, they would have had to build a 3 km access tunnel for passengers on the LRT in case of an accident. They decided to spend a bit more and widen the access tunnel for bicycles. That will increase the number of people using bikes for transportation and connect two Bergen neighborhoods that had been separated by a mountain.

It strikes me as a good idea. It's projects like this that make a city unique.
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