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Old May 28th, 2014, 09:02 PM   #601
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The A320 family has carried 90% of the world’s population, some 6 billion passengers since 1988

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Old May 28th, 2014, 09:03 PM   #602
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Old May 30th, 2014, 04:05 AM   #603
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airbus proposes a322, is it possible?

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Old May 30th, 2014, 04:10 AM   #604
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Sweet liveries.

About the A320 NEO i didnt know thats also is a size improvement. I thought it was only improvement in performance (fuel, power, avionics, MTOW,etc..)
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Old May 30th, 2014, 05:13 AM   #605
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great details of the A322 even a fly is included
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Old May 30th, 2014, 08:39 AM   #606
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An A322 would be a 1 on 1 757-200 replacement.

There are enough (US) airlines that would be very interested. But in the description there are already some improvements that would not make it a simple stretch from the A321 neo. It proposes another new generation of engines, it would be a neo neo. But especially the bigger wings is the main difference from the 1 size fits all wings of the current A320 family. That means that it would also need some big changes to the wingbox and the fuselage.

You would almost say that it would be a new type, just like the 757 was not just a stretched 737.

With the Airbus product development team now busy with the A350 and soon with the A330 neo and maybe even the A380 neo, it doesn't look like they will be pursuing this anytime soon. It's been predicted that Boeing will come up with a similar sized plane first as the next new plane after the 777X.

We can expect that the successor of the A320neo family will be overall 1 size bigger. The neo program already eliminated the A318, and with the limited number of orders for the A319 it does make sense to start a next development with an A320 sized plane as the smallest and with an A322 sized plane as the largest variant.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 10:47 AM   #607
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Will the neo have a boeing sky interior like cabin? Or the old chunky overhead thing...?
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Old May 30th, 2014, 08:49 PM   #608
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First Airbus A320 for Batik Air ( member of Lion Air Group)


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Old May 30th, 2014, 09:09 PM   #609
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Old May 30th, 2014, 10:51 PM   #610
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What is the fly for? Why not a whale instead, it would make better use of scale.
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Will the neo have a boeing sky interior like cabin? Or the old chunky overhead thing...?
Airbus is working on a new/updated cabin for the A320 family though nothing has been officially announced yet.
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Old May 31st, 2014, 02:00 AM   #612
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Airbus is working on a new/updated cabin for the A320 family though nothing has been officially announced yet.

Ok hope it will be great. I think the a330 should get the b777 interior
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Old June 1st, 2014, 12:44 AM   #613
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The way i see it, Boeing has an edge over Airbus at the moment, but only just. Airbus has many gaps in its catalogue that Boeing is winning orders from Airbus.

The Airbus and Boeing catalogue is this to me:

A318 = N/A
A319 = 737-200
A320/neo = 737-300/400/500
A321/neo = 737--600/-700/-800
A322neo = 737-900ER & 757-200
A330-200 = 757-300
A330-300/A340-200 = 777-200/200ER/200LR
A340-300/500/600 = 777-300/300ER
N/A = 777-8X/9X

Im not gonna compare the 747 and A380 as they are different beasts, yes similar, but id rather not compare the Queen and King of the skies.

What is apparent to me is that Airbus need a A330neo to a 500 scale or a A340neo with a 800 scale for them to compete with the 777Xs. If they could get a A330 with the A350s engines it would seriously make carriers want to take it over the 777Xs i think, or at least take a serious look at them.

Airbus need to develop a A330neo next, but whilst they are doing it they need to develop some of the technology needed to make a A380-900/1000neo. Only once those have ben realised i think a A322 should be achievable.

However, Airbus need to look at trying to get more aircraft built quicker, not much quicker though, but quick enough to clear some of the back order list as it is apparent to me that the A350 and A380 are a bit of a brain drain to resources at Airbus. Its a difficult balancing act i think, a job i wouldn't like to have.
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You got some strange comparisons going on, including all those past models without including the 767 or even the current 787.

As for the single aisle market there is currently no gap, the A320 family goes pretty 1 on 1 against the 737 family. There's only a gap in the 757 sized market, but neither Airbus or Boeing currently have a direct competitor.
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The comparisons are extremely innacurate. What is an A322-Neo?
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Old June 1st, 2014, 08:06 PM   #617
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The way i see it, Boeing has an edge over Airbus at the moment, but only just. Airbus has many gaps in its catalogue that Boeing is winning orders from Airbus.

The Airbus and Boeing catalogue is this to me:

A318 = N/A
A319 = 737-200
A320/neo = 737-300/400/500
A321/neo = 737--600/-700/-800
A322neo = 737-900ER & 757-200
A330-200 = 757-300
A330-300/A340-200 = 777-200/200ER/200LR
A340-300/500/600 = 777-300/300ER
N/A = 777-8X/9X
This list makes no sense, the 737-200 was outdated before the a319 even went into service, the 737-6/7/8 are all substantially smaller than an a321 etc.

I know the capacities and mission may vary slightly, but in terms of rough capacity in more practical terms:

a319/neo = 737-7/Max
a320/neo = 737-8/Max
a321/neo = 737-9/Max

a330-200 = 787-8
a330-300/ = 787-9
a350-8
a350-9 = 787-10/

a350-10 = 777-8
-- = 777-9

-- = 747-8i

a380-800 = --

Comparing out of production models doesn't seem terribly useful beyond noting the 757 hasn't seen a real successor from either maker, and with more than 1,000 airframes delivered it does seem like a good idea for airbus to develop an a322 (though it would probably mean a new fan, I don't know if the pw1000g can be pushed to 40,000lbf thrust in its current form) but I doubt the 737 has another stretch in it. With the move to slightly higher capacity aircraft on many routes I could see an a322 being really successful if Airbus get around to it (probably a smaller investment with bigger returns than a380 stretches unless Emirates wants to increase their a380 fleet to 300 frames).
The a380 and the 747-8i even if it's been a niche product at best. Why one would bother including the 737-200 is beyond me, if you want a plane to compare DC-9s or 111s to fine, but here it makes no sense.

One interesting question for me is whether or not airbus goes ahead with an a330neo to keep a competitor in the same market is the 787-8, as 350-800 sales have been a joke and its a larger frame than the 788 anyways. It will be fun to see if the PW1000G really does upscale as easily to 70,000lbf as Pratt & Whitney make it out to be.
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Old June 1st, 2014, 11:06 PM   #618
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Personally, id like to see Airbus and Boeing concentrate their efforts on 8 to 10 different models;

Single Aisle
A319neo = B737-7max
A320neo = B737-8max
A321neo = B737-9max
A322neo = B757-3max (If Airbus go ahead and Boeing decide a 757 replacement/upgrade can be done)

Twin Asile
A330-300neo = B787-8 Dreamliner
A350-900XWB = B787-9 Dreamliner
A350-1000XWB = B787-10 Dreamliner

Large long haul aircraft
A340-500neo = B777-8X (If Airbus want to have a A340neo if there would be interest)
A340-600neo = B777-9X (If Airbus want to have a A340neo if there would be interest)
Airbus would be dumb not to consider a change to the A340 to a freight variant to take on the new 777 Freighters that the likes of FedEx are taking to replace their MD fleet, i know the A40 is a outdated and cancelled project)

Niche Large Aircraft
A380(-800/900neo) = N/A
N/A = 747-8I

What is clear to me, is that Airbus and Boeing have almost too many models on offer and need to have enough of a variation that the reported trend for over congested airports can still see a increase in passenger numbers, however see a small decrease in traffic movements as carriers bring in larger aircraft on all routes.

However, Boeing and Airbus need to accelerate the amount of fuel efficient aircraft on offer as i think this is going to be the key battle ground in the next 10+ years where aircraft that are 30% more fuel efficient and can have that extra range as well, also aircraft that are dB less when taking off and landing will also be a massive help for carriers.
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a340s are for sure dead, the only 4 engine airliners going forward are going to be a380 size, 3 and 4 engine airframes just aren't efficient enough. Even the 747-8i was basically DOA due to economics. The a350 more than covers any role an 340-500/600 would be used for with massively lower operating costs. Boeing has also declared the 757 dead for good, although its a gap in market they really should look at filling going forward despite a lack of current interest (from Boeing and Airbus).
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Old June 2nd, 2014, 03:46 AM   #620
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IATA: Air New Zealand signs for 13 A320neos

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Air New Zealand has signed a firm order for 13 re-engined Airbus A320neos family aircraft and one additional baseline A320 at the IATA AGM in Doha today.

The order, for 10 A320neos, 3 A321neos and one current-generation A320, is valued at $1.6 billion at list prices. The neos, led by the A321s, will be delivered between 2017 and 2019, while the single baseline A320 will be delivered in 2015.
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http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...20neos-399897/

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