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Old June 18th, 2014, 09:03 AM   #641
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Yeah, they are hands down the worst airline I have ever seen, sh*tty everthing; the worst legroom in the world (not hyperbole, it actually is worse than Easyjet, Ryanair, AirAsia etc), the seats don't recline at all, the planes tend to be dirty, and service is non existent. In flight service would be the last concern of theirs, if they were concerned about it at all, its just awful.
It might be cheap, but you get what you pay for. The space in the "big front seats" is fine, but thats 4 out of 218 seats on an a321 (or 4 out 178 on an a320) so they aren't easy to get.

But at any rate flying their planes like sardine cans seems to do good things for them revenue-wise even with the extra weight, they presently are growing at a pretty good clip.
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Old June 18th, 2014, 09:38 AM   #642
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Mexican low-cost airline Volaris has selected 'Training By Airbus' to offer A320 flight simulator training and courses in Miami and Mexico. The move is part of an agreement that includes more than 25,000 flight training hours for 500 pilots.

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Old June 18th, 2014, 10:07 AM   #643
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Old June 18th, 2014, 04:05 PM   #644
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Even Spirit only manages to jam 218 seats into their a321s, and thats with the an atrocious, bare minimum 28" pitch with no recline (I may be tall, but physically can't sit down with less than a 30" pitch, much less 28"). I can't see an a321 fitting 240 actual humans under anything resembling normal circumstances. Lets call the a321 what it is, a 170-200 seater.
Airbus offers an 240-seat option, available from 2017.

[img]http://oi58.************/2i1dv07.jpg[/img]

This cabin configuration is mainly pitched towards low cost carriers who operate the aircraft on 2-3 hour legs.

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I never said it was, just that it can do some 90% of the 757 routes.
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Old June 18th, 2014, 07:30 PM   #645
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Well it looks like an absolutely awful layout from a passenger standpoint, but I guess technically feasible. with a 28" pitch everything but exit row seems more like cruel and unusual punishment than a means of transportation.
I always wondered why they went with the 8 full door layout on the a321 instead of something like late model 757s with 6 door and over wing exits. Although most full service airlines would probably rather keep door 2 and remove 3 to board behind first/business class and discount carriers would probably need them further aft to meet emergency requirements in that sort of extra high density layout.
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Old June 21st, 2014, 10:20 PM   #646
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Yeah, they are hands down the worst airline I have ever seen, sh*tty everthing; the worst legroom in the world (not hyperbole, it actually is worse than Easyjet, Ryanair, AirAsia etc), the seats don't recline at all, the planes tend to be dirty, and service is non existent. In flight service would be the last concern of theirs, if they were concerned about it at all, its just awful.
It might be cheap, but you get what you pay for. The space in the "big front seats" is fine, but thats 4 out of 218 seats on an a321 (or 4 out 178 on an a320) so they aren't easy to get.

But at any rate flying their planes like sardine cans seems to do good things for them revenue-wise even with the extra weight, they presently are growing at a pretty good clip.
I didn't know Spirit is worse than Ryanair in many aspects... yet it tends to grow a bit slower than its main rival, Southwest Airlines. Maybe it's because the airline has a smaller aircraft fleet, or it is suffering from a poor reputation that it hinders its potential growth. I remember that it has sizable operations out of Chicago (O'Hare) and Las Vegas too... yet it seems that the A321s are used mostly on the East Coast and international flights. Perhaps Spirit could model itself after Southwest or jetBlue if it chooses to catch up.

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Airbus offers an 240-seat option, available from 2017.

[img]http://oi58.************/2i1dv07.jpg[/img]

This cabin configuration is mainly pitched towards low cost carriers who operate the aircraft on 2-3 hour legs.

I never said it was, just that it can do some 90% of the 757 routes.
240 seats?! That must be truly dense! I suspect at least two low-cost carriers will use that seating config on the A321s: Spirit (obviously) and Cebu Pacific (soon) since those tend to gear towards seat quantity over service quality. I would imagine the latter utilizing that aircraft on its regional flights, not just from Manila, but also from its other hubs in the Philippines since it has made the airline's A330-300s to have 414 seats!

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Well it looks like an absolutely awful layout from a passenger standpoint, but I guess technically feasible. with a 28" pitch everything but exit row seems more like cruel and unusual punishment than a means of transportation.
I always wondered why they went with the 8 full door layout on the a321 instead of something like late model 757s with 6 door and over wing exits. Although most full service airlines would probably rather keep door 2 and remove 3 to board behind first/business class and discount carriers would probably need them further aft to meet emergency requirements in that sort of extra high density layout.
Well, the business model for LCCs would be more seats = more passengers that can be carried = more revenues for the airline. And having that very dense layout (I wonder if the recline and pitch will be sacrificed in the process) could allow LCCs to operate them on their busiest routes without needing to operate A330s in the process, reserving the larger aircraft for its long-haul services (if it does them).
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I'd say this is a much better aircraft to be used for Transcontinental services (JFK-LAX and JFK-SFO) than its predecessors...

American Airlines A321-200 (reg. N111ZM)

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Old June 22nd, 2014, 11:11 AM   #648
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Tiger Airways [TT] Australia

Tiger Airways by http://www.youtube.com/user/Plane4u, on Flickr

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Old June 25th, 2014, 06:50 AM   #649
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Ural Airlines A321-200 (reg. VP-BVP)

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Old June 27th, 2014, 12:03 AM   #650
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Hello

I know that you can find some funny things on Wikipedia, but i have just read this :

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RwandAir teamed up with International Lease Finance Corporation (ILFC) placed an order for 2 lease Airbus A320neo will incorporate features as an option and is to receive the aircraft in 2018–2019.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RwandAir

I know that RwandAir and Airbus had talks in 2009-2010 for an order including A320 and A330, but talks failed due to bad relations with France. But i read this article some weeks ago :

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“We have ordered for four new aircraft, two of which are 787 Dreamliners that will be delivered in 2017. This will allow us to start operating in Europe and China,” he said.
http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index...=15707&a=76422

2 787s, 2 A320neos ?

However anyone can confirm this news ? Thanks

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Old June 27th, 2014, 06:18 AM   #651
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From the Colombian forum,

6th A321 of the Airline, but it's the 1st based on Colombia.

Avianca A321 N696AV

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Old June 27th, 2014, 06:27 AM   #652
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Two A319s with special liveries...

Air Canada A319, "Trans-Canada Air Lines 60 years, 1937-1997" (reg. C-FZUH)


Alitalia A319, "Discover Friuli Venetia Giulia" (reg. EI-IMI)

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Old June 28th, 2014, 12:16 PM   #653
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Old June 28th, 2014, 05:34 PM   #654
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Old June 30th, 2014, 09:46 PM   #655
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Etihad Airways celebrated a major milestone last week, when we took delivery of our 100th & 101st aircraft.

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Old July 1st, 2014, 05:01 PM   #656
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1st A320 NEO roll-out.





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Old July 2nd, 2014, 01:20 AM   #657
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Can anyone tell me the physical differences (that can be spotted) between the ceo and the neo?
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Can anyone tell me the physical differences (that can be spotted) between the ceo and the neo?
Is just one, the engines; NEO means that (New Engine Option).
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Old July 2nd, 2014, 11:18 AM   #659
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Also sharklets and "enhanced cabin".
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Old July 2nd, 2014, 02:24 PM   #660
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