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Old January 15th, 2011, 10:19 PM   #21
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Discusion about this subject is useless. It has been done several time before.

possibilities:

#1: This tread gets closed because people will start ranting.
#2: This tread gets closed.
#3: #2
#4: #3
#5: #4
#6: The moderate side of the opponents will leave this tread die a slow dead.
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Old January 15th, 2011, 10:50 PM   #22
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Well, rather than jump the gun, let's all try and have an intelligent discussion!
Dubai has been a bit of an experiment, and as long as people are reasonable we could learn something from different approaches.
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Old January 16th, 2011, 09:18 PM   #23
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a lot of highrises are quite dull and unelegant, but in a certain way it's like in Hong Kong, Shanghai
All cities have tons of boring buildings (including New York, Chicago).

But I don't see +300m even +400m boring ones... All supertalls are landmarks.

Actually i belive Dubai is the only city to have several average looking supertalls.

But it does have some realy good ones: Burj al Arab, Khalifa, Emirates Towers + some UC.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 12:05 AM   #24
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I have a problem with Dubai.

On one hand I love this look futuristic of the city, with that huge buildings, scattered throughout the city. On the other hand I do not like the sterile air that the streets has, at least in photos!

Usually skyscrapers are constructed, more of necessity than anything. In Dubai, with the large amount of money flowing there, they make the building first and then find ways to occupy them.

No doubt Dubai will become full of life in a few years, but today I do not like her face, although i enjoyed some of his skyscrapers!
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Old January 17th, 2011, 12:51 AM   #25
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I personally don't believe people's problem with Dubai is it's architecture. I've noticed that most comment on how empty the buildings and streets are. Every city out there have hundreds of badly designed buildings -- Hong Kong, New York, Vancouver etc. We shouldn't single out Dubai. Dubai has an obsession with everything big. Let the city be. Eventually the city will plateau in construction just like every city. It can only go so much. Hope they realize a 50% vacancy rate hints that they should stop building so many towers at once
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Old January 17th, 2011, 01:55 AM   #26
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I like most of dubai's skyscrapers. No matter how dull and repetitive many of them may be to some. The only thing I don't like about Dubai is that it seems like an empty city. Somewhat unliveable for your average person when compared to other cities with dazzling and fugly scrapers (hong kong, nyc, etc.). I also don't like how the scrapers are seperated into different areas. It just makes the "empty city" label even more justifiable.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 03:02 AM   #27
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Most of this skyscrapers are complitely not in my taste, too complicated, ugly designs and boring planning. They should diversify height and create some nice public spaces, now it looks like a mix of China and Latin America some clean boxes would help a bit. It certainly doesn't look futurististic for me.
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Old January 18th, 2011, 12:54 PM   #28
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architecture school and yesterday we talked about the fact buildings need a story to be considered as architecture
Which school of Architecture ?
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Old January 18th, 2011, 01:52 PM   #29
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I second that, and as far as I can tell on this site or skyscraperpage, where does the architect or architecture come in? Everyone loves it when a supertall or a skyscraper is announced or started to be built for the city they live in or like, but what does it look like, who designed it, how does it fit in to the already built cityscape. All I see is how high is the building. Who cares? There is a reason Dubai will never be in the same league as NYC or Rome, let alone Paris, Tokyo, London, or even Singapore, and 100 other cities with more history and charisma.
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Old January 18th, 2011, 02:00 PM   #30
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Which school of Architecture ?
Does it matters? I wonder what architecture students and profs find of it in the University of Dubai or Abudhabi? Is there any way you could ask someone?

Btw the new projects in Abudhabi have real class! The new cultural distric, that is good architecture and carefully planned.
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Old January 18th, 2011, 02:46 PM   #31
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Achitecture


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n.
1.The art and science of designing and erecting buildings.
2.Buildings and other large structures: the low, brick-and-adobe architecture of the Southwest.
3.A style and method of design and construction: Byzantine architecture.
4.Orderly arrangement of parts; structure: the architecture of the federal bureaucracy; the architecture of a novel.
5.Computer Science. The overall design or structure of a computer system, including the hardware and the software required to run it, especially the internal structure of the microprocessor.
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Old January 18th, 2011, 03:11 PM   #32
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I don't get this "empty" argument. All cities looks empty on their residential areas and people are to be found on shopping streats, tourist areas and business districts.

Dubai is no exception

There are areas of the town that can get more busier then almost another place in EU/NA/AUS, even in 45 - 50 degree weather. Speaking of weather, what's wrong with facilitating the shopping and moving it to air conditioned enviroment? It make it way more convinient, including finding a parking place. Yes, this city is build with the motorists in mind, because it developed during the car era, unlike the European cities that had to be congested to facilitate movement also protect from harsh cold and windy conditions.

Many people complain about the shadows these towers will cast and how they will block the sunlight. We who live in the city say:

Plus every city's style evolves based on the local geography, weather and history.
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Old January 18th, 2011, 11:04 PM   #33
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Hi,

I've friends studying in architecture school and yesterday we talked about the fact buildings need a story to be considered as architecture.

By the way they said Dubai skyscrapers are just livable designed boxes, cause they are built to look sparkling and eye-catching, but without any substance.

I didn't totally agree cause I think firstable it's too manichean and also cause that looks pre-chewed by their teachers who seem lil bit boho (cause Dubai is too sparkling, too high, too expensive...).

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Old January 18th, 2011, 11:22 PM   #34
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Dubai is horrible
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city of the "not places".the skyscrapers with their environment decontextualized.
Word.

I don't find anything remotely pleasing about Dubai, including the architecture. It's 'outlandish' for the sake of being outlandish... It won't stand the test of time in my opinion. Dubai is an urban planning fad.
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Old January 19th, 2011, 12:27 AM   #35
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I pretty much agree with anything said. I try not to judge too much until I've actually been to the place, but my general impression is that someone plonked skyscrapers into a swath of American suburbia that somehow floated over to one of the least hospitable places on the planet. No human scale, no human interaction, no quirkiness, no context. As far as the Middle-East goes, I'll take Syria or Lebanon (places I did visit) over Dubai any day.
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Old January 19th, 2011, 01:56 AM   #36
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At the end of the day Dubai is in a bit of a mess, when they run out of oil do they really expect to be making massive amounts of money from tourism.
At least theyre thinking about the future though.
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Old January 19th, 2011, 02:21 PM   #37
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Mhhhh, well. After reading all written posts in this thread, i've to agree with nearly most of em.

IMHO, there is no actual "Dubai architecture", cuz AFAIK most of the bldg's weren't designed by Dubai based architects, rather, US n european architects, who tried to emulate some 'arabian styled architecture' for Dubai. As we all know, it pretty much failed.

What made some of the already bad designed bldg's even worse, was the so called 'cost cutting redesigning', for instance the roofs of some of the tallest block towers like Mag 218. What bugs me too, is the usage of low quality materials. Some of the high end residential towers doesn't look like that.

The very bad city planing is another thing to talk abt. I mean, what will the TB residents have on street level? Just car park podiums AFAIK. ( correct me if i'm wrong ) Or the lack of infrastructure in business bay, were built skyscrapers like the Citadel, can't be used, cuz there is no DEWA connection or streets, that connect them with the rest of the city.

As mentioned, there are few examples of good architecture in Dubai, like BAA and BK and there are 'so called" new gems in the pipeline like the Dubai Pearl. That's the most WTF bldg i have ever seen. Have they done any wind tunnel testings with this sheer behemoth of bldg. I wonder how it will effect winds coming from the sea, and returning it to the palm Jumeirah.

Well, this should be enough for now, cheers.
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Old January 19th, 2011, 02:51 PM   #38
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to the OP.

Dubai has precisely a very good story behind its current crop of architecture- it's trying to balance out Islamic flourishes with international (read: Americanised) condo designs. Its precisely this dilemma the country faces in its society that one day in the future people can look back on these buildings with perspective, the highrises that shout out international elitism through a Miami beach style, yet finds itself also employing native add-ons of arched windows, the odd turret or onion dome, Islamic carvings and details and mosque like lobbies under NY style offices. In short for all the extravagance, its also being pushed to draw upon an aesthetic more aligned with modesty and religion.

Its precisely this frisson between new and old, religious and secular, international or indigenous that is currently defining the Emirati identity. It's as if the buildings are a physical representation of 'to party or not to party?'

On another unrelated note, the use of concrete (rather than more fashionable plate glass walls as elsewhere across the globe) is more a prerequisite for the baking desert climate, and its interesting how the architects are trying to spruce up a dated, pomo look.


Look again at these regional buildings in SA and Qatar:



Oryx Tower



Ibn Battuta Mall



In short there's definitely a narrative, a history, and a societal impact this architecture is telling, that will be a chapter in the story of architecture for the future. It's relevant, its' regional, it's affected by the demands of the surrounding environment, and it's not blindly ahistorical. Even the examples that are 'blind' to the region, are still important examples in the story, especially of the path these nations find themselves taking.

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Old January 19th, 2011, 07:08 PM   #39
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Dubai has a more established and thriving side too, which has a more fluid style of srchitecture that blends the old and the new quite well.....

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This sort of architecture and planning work VERY well together.


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The skyline in the new CBD is pretty amazing, by any standard, but it is highly concentrated and lacks depth due to its linear nature, which takes away from the overall downtown feel....

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Dubai is an architectural disaster.
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