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Old February 8th, 2015, 01:50 PM   #281
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Not to mention, if the road authority forgot to put a speed limit sign somewhere (or if it were stolen). What would be the speed limit there?
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Old February 8th, 2015, 04:13 PM   #282
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No, because each intersection cancels the speed limit signs (at least in some countries). So you would have to put thousands of additional (50) signs in every city.
...or you could change that "each intersection cancels" rule.

The state of New York puts signs up that say things like "Village Speed Limit 30" rather than the usual "Speed Limit 30" when you're entering a village (which in New York is a class of municipality, smaller than a "City"...) - or "City Speed Limit X" and so on (I think there's a provision for, say, state parks...) - that show the default limit that applies within that entity. They also have "Speed Limit X" signs like anywhere in the U.S. that just apply to the road you're on.

(Now, in the case of a village or city, they'll probably forget to post the fact that you're leaving it, but I suppose you'll get a new speed-limit sign for the road you're on.)

I haven't seen that elsewhere.
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Old February 8th, 2015, 08:56 PM   #283
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Not to mention, if the road authority forgot to put a speed limit sign somewhere (or if it were stolen). What would be the speed limit there?
You remind me of some French guys who were 100% sure that there are no speed limits in Belgium, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and Poland because they don't see these speed limits posted all the time! They'd be surprised to get a little fine from the Netherlands

I never understood why France and Spain, despite having general speed limits posted at their borders, still put more signage (ex.: a 50km/h sign when entering a built-up area)
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Old February 8th, 2015, 09:09 PM   #284
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In Switzerland, there is almost always a "50 km/h General speed limit" sign when you enter a locality. In spite you are on a small local or secondary road and pass a very small village, then the white panel with the name of the locality means it's 50 km/h speed limit, but it's quite rare anyway.
When there is a sign "end of limits", the normal speed limits applies depending on the type of road.

I was quite confused with that just after I passed my driver's license, as in Switzerland not having a panel with the speed limit displayed when entering a locality means you can drive 80 km/h .

Yet, in the USA or Canada there is nothing like a "general speed limit" display on the border, speed limits are always posted on roads.
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Old February 8th, 2015, 09:30 PM   #285
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Yet, in the USA or Canada there is nothing like a "general speed limit" display on the border, speed limits are always posted on roads.

I guess this is another topic that makes difference between common law (US, Canada, UK...) and civil law (Continental Europe).
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Old February 8th, 2015, 10:10 PM   #286
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You remind me of some French guys who were 100% sure that there are no speed limits in Belgium, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and Poland because they don't see these speed limits posted all the time! They'd be surprised to get a little fine from the Netherlands

I never understood why France and Spain, despite having general speed limits posted at their borders, still put more signage (ex.: a 50km/h sign when entering a built-up area)
It makes it much more clear, and eliminates driver mistakes. In Spanish motorways, there must be a speed limit sign every minute of travel. This is very helpful, especially in our era of speed cameras. In the case of a built-up area, two signs are half less likely to be missed than one. It's extra safety, and it's less annoying than traffic calming.
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Old February 8th, 2015, 11:40 PM   #287
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Yet, in the USA or Canada there is nothing like a "general speed limit" display on the border, speed limits are always posted on roads.
The general speed limit though usually still exists

Anyway having multiple signs, means we can have multiple limits, it is better. Mind you PL is pretty good about signing better roads in towns at 70-ish.

Example the arterial streets in the Toronto area often have limit of 60-70-80 km/h with signs at every intersection more or less. It is nice to have... well at least when sign is 80 and less so at 60 but still - better than the 50 sign and speeding ticket marked 75 you'd have in a Montreal area

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Old February 9th, 2015, 11:40 AM   #288
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...or you could change that "each intersection cancels" rule.
That would mean that the driver joining a primary road from a secondary road should always be aware of the limit on that section.

Or at least, play it safe and pick something ridiculous such as 60.
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Old February 9th, 2015, 07:40 PM   #289
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You remind me of some French guys who were 100% sure that there are no speed limits in Belgium, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and Poland because they don't see these speed limits posted all the time! They'd be surprised to get a little fine from the Netherlands

I never understood why France and Spain, despite having general speed limits posted at their borders, still put more signage (ex.: a 50km/h sign when entering a built-up area)
There are other rules like that in Belgium foreigners ofthen miss.
On roads that have a 2x2 configuration, that are not highways, with median, 120km/h is automatically allowed unless indicated otherwise.

On normal roads outside the build up area indicated by a white city plate, you drive 70km/h unless indicated otherwise. If you pass a side street and the 70km/h isn't indicated just afther that side street you are allowed to drive 90km/h even if there isn't a C46 or C45 plate. This in cludes passing a roundabout and no indicated speed afther the roundabout.

C45: end of speed restriction zone


C46: end of all previous restrictions (mostly includes speed and overtaking)
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Old February 9th, 2015, 08:55 PM   #290
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I guess the principle is the same in all countries that signed Vienna convention of road traffic.
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Old February 9th, 2015, 09:19 PM   #291
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I guess the principle is the same in all countries that signed Vienna convention of road traffic.
Bad guess. The Vienna convention leaves a lot of freedom for local interpretations and regulations.
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Old February 10th, 2015, 08:51 AM   #292
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Bad guess. The Vienna convention leaves a lot of freedom for local interpretations and regulations.
You mean to tell me that sign cancellation has not been included?
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You mean to tell me that sign cancellation has not been included?
No. But the usage varies. Regulations on where the speed limits end, and which signs are used for that purpose, are more or less country-specific. The Vienna convention delivers a very basic guidance only. It is not a good idea to treat the Vienna Convention text as a set of traffic rules.
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Old February 15th, 2015, 02:40 PM   #294
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Old February 15th, 2015, 02:47 PM   #295
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What is the speed limit on A2 between Ultrecht and Amsterdam? I know it was just 100 km/h .
It still is 100 km/h, but at a certain part the speed limit is 130 km/h between 19:00 and 6:00 a.m., please see the image below:

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Old February 16th, 2015, 06:15 PM   #296
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You could just - not have default speed limits

Is it so hard to put a sign (50) instead of the "houses and church" sign, and then a sign (100) instead of the "no more houses and church" sign? And maybe a |140| sign instead of the chopsticks?
I think that isn't a goed idea, because many other rules are different in and out of town, and motorways have yet another set of rules.
For example, in the Netherlands one has to give way to a bus leaving a bus stop only if the bus stop is in a build-up area (village, town or city). And one is allowed to park and/or turn around both in and outside towns, but not on motorways.
If you would like to make a sign for all of those rules, you'll get signs like the polish bordersign at every city entrance, city exit, motorway entrance and motorway exit. Now only one or two signs are necessary, something that is much easier to build and to read.
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Old February 18th, 2015, 11:17 AM   #297
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I guess this is another topic that makes difference between common law (US, Canada, UK...) and civil law (Continental Europe).
There are general speed limits in the UK, 30 in urban areas, 60 in rural areas and 70 on rural dual carriage ways and if the speed limit is different there are small repeater signs every few metres.
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Old February 18th, 2015, 11:24 AM   #298
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There are general speed limits in the UK, 30 in urban areas, 60 in rural areas and 70 on rural dual carriage ways and if the speed limit is different there are small repeater signs every few metres.
The same goes for entire EU (at least)
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I'm going to create a topic thread devoted to US/Canadian speed limit signs.
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Old February 18th, 2015, 05:02 PM   #300
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There are general speed limits in the UK, 48 in urban areas, 96 in rural areas and 112 on rural dual carriage ways and if the speed limit is different there are small repeater signs every few metres.
Fixed to km/h .
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