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Old May 7th, 2011, 01:50 AM   #61
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Many people don't have them, but they don't realize you can just write the hour on a piece of paper.
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Old May 7th, 2011, 10:38 PM   #62
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I forgot that there is a special thread for border speed limits.


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Old May 7th, 2011, 11:17 PM   #63
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Many people don't have them, but they don't realize you can just write the hour on a piece of paper.
But you'd always have to carry pen and paper with you. With hour disc attached to your windshield you don't have to...
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Old May 7th, 2011, 11:20 PM   #64
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But you'd always have to carry pen and paper with you. With hour disc attached to your windshield you don't have to...
You can cheat the sistem with the hour disc: you can come to the car every hour to rotate it
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you can even buy battery operated discs that rotate themselves
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Old May 7th, 2011, 11:53 PM   #66
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you can even buy battery operated discs that rotate themselves
I wanted to write that some might be thinking at instaling a small clock there so that the disc would rotate by itself, but I didn't
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Old May 8th, 2011, 12:00 AM   #67
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In Italy there are many cases. Just a couple days ago I read about some people in Verona who were accused of having implemented such a system. The accusation was aggravated fraud, and they risk 1 to 5 years in gaol and a fine between 300 and 1500 euros. The news was last year's , I don't know how did it end:
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/cronaca...lo480761.shtml
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Old May 8th, 2011, 10:38 AM   #68
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what does this P-disc at 80es sign mean? i guess it is something for parking and i saw it on each Italian car, but i never knew the purpose of that thing.
I have the idea that I have seen some parkings even in Croatia where a parking-disc can be used. Unfortunately I cannot remember where...
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I have the idea that I have seen some parkings even in Croatia where a parking-disc can be used. Unfortunately I cannot remember where...
frankly, i doubt that. maybe in Istria, they like to copy-past Italy but i haven't seen it nor heard of it here.
btw, here you may park 15 minutes for free at public parking places under payment. that's enough to buy some small things or to do some minor works, so it is not considered as long parking and it's free.

what are usually allowed parking times without payment while using discs?
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Old May 8th, 2011, 10:58 AM   #70
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what are usually allowed parking times without payment while using discs?
In Italy it's usually 1 hour, but I've seen also 30 minutes and 2 hours.

This one in Alto Adige/Südtirol allows parking for 3 hours:


But in Trento they can park for 5 hours!
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Old May 9th, 2011, 02:52 AM   #71
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I've seen rest areas along motorways in Switzerland that allow 12 hours or so, but you need to put the disc. It's kind of ridiculous to think you have to display it even though you're there just for half an hour anyway (I mean, it's not hard, but you can overlook the sign or forget about it).

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But you'd always have to carry pen and paper with you. With hour disc attached to your windshield you don't have to...
Of course, that wasn't my point. But some people apparently rarely use such parking spaces, so they don't have a disc. Obviously my suggestion is only useful for people who are actually carrying a pen and paper with them at the moment (like I did once when I didn't have a disc yet).
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In Italy it's usually 1 hour, but I've seen also 30 minutes and 2 hours.

This one in Alto Adige/Südtirol allows parking for 3 hours:


But in Trento they can park for 5 hours!
I'm totally mad to see German, and not Italian, sign placed on the first line, Italy is not Switzerland, not even Spain, it has a national language which should be the first from Tarvisio to Marsala, from Lecce to Ventimiglia, but that is another issue.

More common is that they put a paid parking lot in which the fare for the first "free" hours is rather cheap, then longer parking period is more expensive. I've seen a lot of such arrangements along the Adriatic coast resort towns. Usually they intend for long-term parked cars to use less convenient, but more abundant, underground parking lots.
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Old May 10th, 2011, 04:34 AM   #73
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I'm totally mad to see German, and not Italian, sign placed on the first line, Italy is not Switzerland, not even Spain, it has a national language which should be the first from Tarvisio to Marsala, from Lecce to Ventimiglia
Be happy that South Tyrol is in Italy at all.
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Be happy that South Tyrol is in Italy at all.
It has been since 1918. And a sizable chunk of Slovenia and Croatia was part of Italia from 1918 to 1945 also. Those wars are over for good.

War grievances are not a reason to promote secondary languages in Italy. They can sign in English, German, Icelandic, whatever, but Italian must be given preference in all traffic signs all over Italy.

But this debate is endless.

What bothers me more is that EU hasn't come up with some pictorial signs, unified, to be substituted for parking instructions, traffic restrictions and general orders like "expect" or "under rain". This should be a priority: with more than 20 official languages, EU needs to greatly expand the use of pictures instead of wording in traffic signs.
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Actually South Tyrol is the only place in Europe where the language of the winners didn't replace the original one. I'm thinking about Nice, Istria, Alsace, Polish Pomerania, Czech Sudeten... maybe only German communes which now are in Belgium live a situation similar to South Tyrol. I wonder why everybody is shocked when I say that South Tyrol should have been Italianized long ago, when all the other places I mentioned were linguistically assimilated by the winners, and everybody's happy.
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You're right, it's off topic and not really interesting.

Back to border signs.
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Its very interesting.
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Old May 11th, 2011, 06:56 PM   #78
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Actually South Tyrol is the only place in Europe where the language of the winners didn't replace the original one. I'm thinking about Nice, Istria, Alsace, Polish Pomerania, Czech Sudeten... maybe only German communes which now are in Belgium live a situation similar to South Tyrol. I wonder why everybody is shocked when I say that South Tyrol should have been Italianized long ago, when all the other places I mentioned were linguistically assimilated by the winners, and everybody's happy.
Winners?Are you sure that you know on which side Italy fought in the WW II?And such example you have in other countries also,in Vojvodina Hungarian,Slovak and Romanian are oficial languages and all of them fighted on nazi side
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That's exactly why I regretted posting this, I didn't want to start a major OT.
However I know pretty well which side Italy fought in. I wasn't referring to "winners of the war" but to "winners of territories".

And then again WWII has nothing to do with South Tyrol. South Tyrol is in Italy since WW One, and that one Italy won.
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