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Old December 3rd, 2011, 03:39 PM   #141
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What's the difference between blue motorway and green motorway?
A car (expressway) symbol would've been much better than the blue motorway sign for Italy & Albania.

I also don't understand why Spaniards don't use it for their Autovías ...

Is that somehow written on the Vienna Convention ?
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Old December 3rd, 2011, 05:01 PM   #142
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A car (expressway) symbol would've been much better than the blue motorway sign for Italy & Albania.
Why (except for standardization with other countries)?
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Old December 4th, 2011, 08:21 PM   #143
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[IMG]http://i39.************/2iks19c.jpg[/IMG]

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on the A20 heading uphill out of Dover


and some signs in the north- and southbound parking areas on the A68

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Old December 4th, 2011, 09:47 PM   #144
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A car (expressway) symbol would've been much better than the blue motorway sign for Italy & Albania.

I also don't understand why Spaniards don't use it for their Autovías ...

Is that somehow written on the Vienna Convention ?
Most countries in the EU use the same standard as Albania uses.

PS. Republic of Kosovo probably has a new speed limit sign since first section of motorway is now complete, as well as a proper expressway from Prishtinë leading towards Pejë.
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Old December 5th, 2011, 12:35 AM   #145
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Why (except for standardization with other countries)?
First of all, because of the fact that in each European country, expressway/morotway signs may be green and others blue & not all tourists are Motorway-freaks like us, which may confuse them.
Italy and Albania have direct neighbors who use either blue for motorways & green or other colors for expressways (France, Austria) or the contrary (Switzerland, Slovenia, Kosovo, Greece). People from those countries have their habits &, apart of standardization, a car symbol is much clearer than an expressway symbol with a different color.

And the second for ... colorblind people It's not a joke ! I know 2 of them ! One of them confuses green and blue, whereas the other ... green and red (bad for traffic lights ! but at least he knows on which one he must stop: on the one above)

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Most countries in the EU use the same standard as Albania uses.

PS. Republic of Kosovo probably has a new speed limit sign since first section of motorway is now complete, as well as a proper expressway from Prishtinë leading towards Pejë.
Only Italy uses it. The rest of Europe do as I wrote on post #141 & the old Kosovo sign is at least very clear & should be an inspiration for countries like Latvia or Estonia, which currently have no motorway.

P.S.:@shpirtkosova: I assume so, as I saw the motorway section on the RKS section.
P.P.S.:@andy5: I know these signs on A20, but ... I didn't see them on A2 for instance. Why ?


I also think the Polish sign is "too much", although at least it is VERY precise. The Spanish one is quite similar. The French (just as the Spanish) one is not really needed IMHO as speed limits are signposted everywhere here (which I think is quite useless ...)

Speed limits should also be systematically signposted when leaving airports & international ferry terminals, which I saw only in Helsinki & coming back from the UK, in Neuville-Lès-Dieppe)

Did anyone see the Belarusian or the Ukrainian sign ?
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Old December 5th, 2011, 01:32 AM   #146
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This is what the border sign should look like today (thanks to some Microsoft paint mastercrafting) lol.

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Old December 5th, 2011, 11:40 AM   #147
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Sign at the new border crossing control point between Bulgaria and Greece at mountain pass Makaza:

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Old December 5th, 2011, 12:00 PM   #148
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And the second for ... colorblind people It's not a joke ! I know 2 of them ! One of them confuses green and blue, whereas the other ... green and red (bad for traffic lights ! but at least he knows on which one he must stop: on the one above)
I am colorblind and it does not work that way. Except for very few cases, colorblind people have hard time distinguishing two colors (in my case they're red and green) but only if they're heavily mixed like in those standard tests:


I have no idea which is the number created by green spots in the previous picture. And I must admit sometimes I have hard time at the traffic lights, but only when they are surrounded by a tree so that the red light is among green leaves.
But there is no chance a colorblind person can confuse between two solid colors, very much apart and distant from each other, like the motorway icons in border signs.
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Old December 5th, 2011, 05:09 PM   #149
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Here is a question for you. I imagine that you, as a color blind person can see if the traffic light is green or red because of the position of the light (up = red; down = green). How about horizontal traffic light?


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Old December 5th, 2011, 05:33 PM   #150
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Here is a question for you. I imagine that you, as a color blind person can see if the traffic light is green or red because of the position of the light (up = red; down = green). How about horizontal traffic light?
No no, things are more complicated than that. I have no problems with traffic lights, under normal circumstances. I can see red and I can see green, I don't have to rely on position. However, there are some circumstances where I can't rely either on colour or on position, such as traffic lights surrounded by a tree. In that case I can't see red or green light, so I cannot distinguish which is above and which is below!

If I were color blind the way you think, I would not been able to get my license.
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Old December 5th, 2011, 08:11 PM   #151
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I think I understand now. Would you do me a favour? Can you please tell me what number(s) do you see in the picture you posted above?

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The first cypher vaguely looks like a 2, and the second one to me is a 1. But I have to put some effort to see them
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Old December 5th, 2011, 08:29 PM   #153
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The first cypher vaguely looks like a 2, and the second one to me is a 1. But I have to put some effort to see them
That image is part of Ishihara Color Blindness Test (Plate 7). The result is:


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“74″ Those with normal color vision see a 74.
“21″ Those with red green color blindness see a 21.
Nothing Those with total color blindness see nothing.
Take a look here.

I am quite familiar with some optic tests since unfortunatelly I had to support an eye surgery once...
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Old December 5th, 2011, 08:51 PM   #154
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@bodygmol & g.spinoza: very interesting debate ! I must admit that, even without being colorblind, the first image you showed is quite a pain in the eyes to me ! But my best friend's father is colorblind just like that: he's got a problem with green & red exactly the same way as you describe yours !

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Sign at the new border crossing control point between Bulgaria and Greece at mountain pass Makaza:

Bulgaria 130 ? I thought it was 120 ! They certainly put it up

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Going to Albania, Serbia, Montenegro or Macedonia soon ? Would be nice to check the new roadsign for us ! (kidding of course). Maybe they wrote correctly "Republika Kosovo" in Serbian
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It's 130 more than 10 years for sure, maybe even 15... Although there's one rusty forgotten by everybody similar sign at the beginning of A1 Trakia near Sofia Ring Road, which stays with the old 120 and misleads foreigners, who travel from there...

P.S. Last change of this part of the law about speed limits has been in April 2002, so it is at least 9+ years since it's 130 on motorways in Bulgaria.

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Going to Albania, Serbia, Montenegro or Macedonia soon ? Would be nice to check the new roadsign for us ! (kidding of course). Maybe they wrote correctly "Republika Kosovo" in Serbian

I'm not very sure about the Serbian language, maybe this is how the Serbs in Kosovo write it. Seems like the signs were probably done by aan amateur Serbian speaker.
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Old December 5th, 2011, 11:26 PM   #157
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A bit like what happened a year & a half ago in Wales ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...road-sign.html
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Croatia: entering the country at border crossing Letenye (H) / Goričan

January 2012. Speed limits are the same as in Hungary.

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Dutch speed limit sign at Oberhausen -> Arnhem motorway.
Interestingly, there is at least one motorway within the Netherlands -somewhere south of Rotterdam- that has stretches of 130km/h signposted limit.
Is this an experiment towards a higher general limit, or just a local thing?

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At least 45% of the Dutch motorways will get a 130 km/h limit in September 2012.
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