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Old January 20th, 2011, 08:18 PM   #1
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LONDON - New Crystal Palace Stadium (40,000)

So Palace looking to move back to the Palace.


We are delighted to announce that Crystal Palace Football Club together with their advisers CB Richard Ellis and stadium designers AFL have been pursuing avenues that would allow them to move back to their original home at Crystal Palace park.

Crystal Palace is a unique place, one of the highest points in London, a point where five South London boroughs collide and the home of the club. It also holds a special place in English football, hosting the first cup finals and early England Internationals.

The plan is to provide a:

- 40,000 seat stadium

- new indoor acuatic centre

- reconfigured indoor sports complex within the existing structure

- new community athletics facility

Combined this will breathe new life into the National Sports Centre and the park by removing the requirement for the pool inside the current listed structure, greatly reduce the running costs and allow for the current space to be re-utilised for an even wider range of community and elite athletic sports,

Planning will be sought for the full 40,000 seat capacity stadium, it may begin life with a reduced 25,000 capacity stadium, dependant on where we are, other uses etc.

Steve Parish, Co-Chairman of Crystal Palace Football Club, said: "We are delighted to put forward our plans to return the club home to where it all began. We believe a stadium at Crystal Palace park can help create a bright new future for the club as well as helping it to breathe new life into both the sports centre and the park."



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Old January 20th, 2011, 08:30 PM   #2
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Old January 20th, 2011, 08:39 PM   #3
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Stadium design is interesting, no doubt it will be a one tier bowl before we know it though, the location is a bad idea!

Crystal Palace (Upper Norwood) is even more of a bitch to get to than Selhurst Park (South Norwood) which is served by two railway lines and three train stations within walking distance, not to mention East Croydon (one of the country's busiest station) just down the road. Oh yeah and you have more nimbys over there especially as it's in solid Tory Bromley not marginal Croydon, although one would think that if they are going public with this they have some sort of deal with Bromley.

For me leaving Croydon (although only going 200m or so outside the boundary) is not a good idea. Inner London is a lost cause for all but the big London clubs as it's so transient, most of the cemented communities in the city are now in the suburbs or that’s how it seems to me living in “outer London”. Palace should be looking more towards cementing their links with Croydon and becoming more Croydon's club which they have been since 1919, moving further away from their and out of the borough isn't a good idea.
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Old January 20th, 2011, 09:15 PM   #4
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The stadium design looks good. would just have to see what happens with it
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Old January 20th, 2011, 10:24 PM   #5
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love to see the source of that quote youve got there bigbossman
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Old January 24th, 2011, 10:43 PM   #6
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Old January 26th, 2011, 06:50 PM   #7
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very good imo!
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Old January 27th, 2011, 08:51 PM   #8
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LONDON - New Crystal Palace Stadium (25,000)

In an alternate universe from Crystal Palace's proposal's for the same site, discussed in this thread

If Spurs win the bid for the Olympic stadium, this is what we'll see at Crystal Palace.....

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Tottenham Hotspur have released images showing for the first time how Crystal Palace would look following a facelift which forms part of their legacy plan for athletics in London after the 2012 Olympics.

Spurs, who are in a contest with West Ham to take over the main Olympic Stadium after the Games, have come under fire from London 2012 chairman Lord Coe and IAAF president Lamine Diack for their plans to break bid promises to turn the venue into a permanent home for track and field after the Games.

But the north London club argue their plan to invest in the sport's traditional home at Crystal Palace would leave a better and more cost effective legacy for the sport.

The images show an expanded stadium with 9,500 extra seats boosting the capacity to 25,000. Under Spurs' plans the stadium could be expanded by a further 15,000 - the level needed to stage a World or European Athletics Championships.



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Old January 27th, 2011, 10:21 PM   #9
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It reminds me of the Toumba in Greece!



Sorry Spurs but I hope West Ham get the recommendation, it makes more sense.

I know most Spurs fans want to stay in N17 anyway.
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Old January 27th, 2011, 10:27 PM   #10
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With our plan there will be a brand new Aquatic centre so the existing area to the right of the stadium below will be a multi use area with a new track next to that!

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Why would this club want to build a 40,000 seat stadium? Isn't that having ambitions a little above your station in life?

Looking over their average attendances since like, post WWII, and they're averaging a solid 16-17,000 crowd most seasons, with gusts into the low 20k's when they're promoted to Premeir League. Which, admittedly, isn't often and isn't for long when it does occur. Really, they're not even a reliable yo-yo team like West Brom or Wolves.

It's a very nice design. Looks like something out of that great sci-fi flick Silent Running - I'm seeing Bruce Dern and robot pals Huey, Dewey and Louie as groundskeepers with an edge - but how does anyone figure that Crystal Palace FC need 40,000?

Wouldn't this club be an ideal partner to have as a co-tenant with UK Athletics at a stadium built with the Spurs funding? It's probably much easier to design retractable seating for a smaller stadium than for a big league stadium. So why not do it here and let both parties enjoy quality accomodations?

And surely to goodness the official media release didn't actually spell it 'acuatic'?
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Old January 28th, 2011, 09:27 AM   #12
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Defeats half the point of the Olympic bid.
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Old January 28th, 2011, 05:30 PM   #13
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Why would this club want to build a 40,000 seat stadium? Isn't that having ambitions a little above your station in life?

Looking over their average attendances since like, post WWII, and they're averaging a solid 16-17,000 crowd most seasons, with gusts into the low 20k's when they're promoted to Premeir League. Which, admittedly, isn't often and isn't for long when it does occur. Really, they're not even a reliable yo-yo team like West Brom or Wolves.

It's a very nice design. Looks like something out of that great sci-fi flick Silent Running - I'm seeing Bruce Dern and robot pals Huey, Dewey and Louie as groundskeepers with an edge - but how does anyone figure that Crystal Palace FC need 40,000?

Wouldn't this club be an ideal partner to have as a co-tenant with UK Athletics at a stadium built with the Spurs funding? It's probably much easier to design retractable seating for a smaller stadium than for a big league stadium. So why not do it here and let both parties enjoy quality accomodations?

And surely to goodness the official media release didn't actually spell it 'acuatic'?
The capacity if we stay in the lower reaches of the championship or we get relegated will be 25,000 but we are applying for the full 40,000 as in 2015 we could be back in the Prem .

Crystal Palace is the only proper South London club. Charlton and Milwall are East London.

In 1979 we had 52,000 at Selhurst Park in a second division game with another 20,000 trying to get in and still to this date have the highest ever attendance for the Fourth division of 37,774 in 1961.

We always sell out our allocation of 35-40,000 for Wembley/Cardiff. Its been a gradual downfall with an old stadium, poor pricing from previous administrations. Our new owners and main man Steve Parish is a marketing man and this would be his forte in getting new people into the stadium.

There is a big following of Crystal Palace and moving to a new stadium would automatically increase this.

The stadium could also be used for concerts and other large events as it has a Park location and share with a Rugby Club too.

A park location has a better commercial value and is why Spurs see having the commercial space around the Olympic Stadium as a major reason to want to move there!

Here are out average attendances in the 10 years from 1969 to 1980:

1979-80 First Division 29,523
1978-79 Second Division 23,327
1977-78 Second Division 19,466
1976-77 Third Division 15,925
1975-76 Third Division 19,942
1974-75 Third Division 16,448
1973-74 Second Division 21,285
1972-73 First Division 29,596
1971-72 First Division 26,999
1970-71 First Division 28,768
1969-70 First Division 29,900

as you can see in the 70's when in the top flight our stadium averaged around the 30,000 mark.
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Can't really go on pass gates to work out how many people will go watch the team now. You have really lost a generation of fans.
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Well, it's good to be ambitious. Any idea what this stadium is estimated to cost?

Lots of teams had bigger crowd numbers in the days of two bob tickets and standing on terraces. I'd be a little sceptical about big crowds simply because new stadiums are generally costly and ticket prices have to go up to pay for it.
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Well, it's good to be ambitious. Any idea what this stadium is estimated to cost?

Lots of teams had bigger crowd numbers in the days of two bob tickets and standing on terraces. I'd be a little sceptical about big crowds simply because new stadiums are generally costly and ticket prices have to go up to pay for it.
The First phase:

£50 million pounds

Second phase up to 40,000

another £70-90 million I think?
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Can't really go on pass gates to work out how many people will go watch the team now. You have really lost a generation of fans.
Agreed however I think the new owners being ambitious want to draw the big crowds back!

I know we have lost a generation of support but South London has a large population (about 3 million) and if we market ourselves as THE club for South London we can draw new people as well as the older lost fans.
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Agreed however I think the new owners being ambitious want to draw the big crowds back!

I know we have lost a generation of support but South London has a large population (about 3 million) and if we market ourselves as THE club for South London we can draw new people as well as the older lost fans.
"Could" Iam a darlington fan and you can check the history with the new stadium we had and the owner. hope it works out for you alot but be warned

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Old January 28th, 2011, 11:57 PM   #19
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No offence intended, but Darlington moving into a 30'000 seater stadium while in the bottom division, getting attendances of around 4'000 isn't that relevant to Crystal Palace. Yes they're not in the Premiership right now, and have lost some fairweather fans, however if they were to get back into the Prem, and into this stadium they will atleast be competitive to other teams with similar capacities.

I maintain that Palace have one of the biggest Catchment areas of any London club.
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No offence intended, but Darlington moving into a 30'000 seater stadium while in the bottom division, getting attendances of around 4'000 isn't that relevant to Crystal Palace. Yes they're not in the Premiership right now, and have lost some fairweather fans, however if they were to get back into the Prem, and into this stadium they will atleast be competitive to other teams with similar capacities.

I maintain that Palace have one of the biggest Catchment areas of any London club.
It was a 25,000 seater stadium Yeah it was built for a owners ego alot of fans did not want it and still don't. but alot of fans just don't go to watch live football now. just got you have a big catchment area does not mean anything. south durham and darlington area and teesside is around 450,000 but with newcastle,sunderland and middlesbrough fans of darlington and hartlepool are being kicked out
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