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[invincibletiger]

One of the most idiotic decisions of IR is not having a superfast train between Bangalore and Mumbai. The current ones take 24 hours (20 hours to Pune).

[gentem]

Originally Posted by invincibletiger

One of the most idiotic decisions of IR is not having a superfast train between Bangalore and Mumbai. The current ones take 24 hours (20 hours to Pune).

recently bangalore-delhi duronto introduced, next year budget will have bangalore-mumbai i think... we have howra-digha duronto but no bangalore-mumbai, its ok we will wait till wb elections

[aam admi]

Railway budget presentation should be done away with....

[gajamsuresh]

The great thing in IR is AndhraPradesh doesn't have a Shatabdi train.. IR can introduce Shatabhi between SC-VJA OR SC-RAJAMUNDRY OR SC-NAGPUR OR SC-PUNE OR SC-GNTR-ONGOLE.
Even smalll states in North India (Not NorthEast) has Shatabhi, But such a big state Ap doesn't have Shatabdi..

[s.yogendra]

Originally Posted by gajamsuresh

The great thing in IR is AndhraPradesh doesn't have a Shatabdi train.. IR can introduce Shatabhi between SC-VJA OR SC-RAJAMUNDRY OR SC-NAGPUR OR SC-PUNE OR SC-GNTR-ONGOLE.
Even smalll states in North India (Not NorthEast) has Shatabhi, But such a big state Ap doesn't have Shatabdi..

what AP doesn't have a shatabdhi train ? it only happens in INDIA

[anujkb]

what IR doesnt think is the revenue it can earn and the comfort it can provide.... all it insists is Low cost Low cost and Low cost....

BENIFICIAL to BOTH: IR as well as passengers is:

1. more AC intercity trains. NOT duranto. NOT shatabdi. daily trains. ideal combos include:

pune-sc
pune-st
hyb-rjy
klk-cdg-ldh-asr-jat
ljn-cnb-ald-bsb
pnbe-rnc
mas-mdu-ten
mas-pdy
brc-bct
jat-asr-bte
rou-Raipur (R)
ngp-bpl-indb
adi-rjt-okha
brc-adi-ju-jp
ljn-aii

Next:
As i always stress, DOUBLING (and not electrification) is a sign of development. foll sectors for doubling:
pune-chennai
mas-cbe
mas-mdu
del-jp-ju
del-jp-aii
mldt-ghy


Next:
modernisation of workshops and rail coach factories and NOT adding more and more w/s's

Next:
increase in section speed of:

section/ MPS speed in kmph
mumbai-delhi 150
delhi-agra 200
delhi-jaipur 160
delhi-asr jat 160
delhi-cdg, ddn: 120
pnbe-mgs 130
dee-kolkata 150
kolkata-ghy 120
agra-bhopal 150
bhopal-ngp 120
ngp-chennai 120
mumbai-kolkata via nagpur 140
KR 150
mumbai-ahmdbad 140
mum-pune 130

[gentem]

more duronto less express trains, flight like experience no stopping at stations, no fear of theft or people selling something at in between stations, co-passengers getting down, new ones coming in etc etc

electrification good for mother earth, u got it all wrong

[sidney_jec]

and I thought only my writing was bad

[Bombay2Calcutta]

Pune - City's little India seeks more trains

PUNE: In almost every season of the Railway Budget, announcements for new trains from Pune have generally been given the go-by resulting in all-round disappointment. However, with another Budget around the corner, hope rises yet again in Puneites.

Trains are the most efficient and economical mode of transport for a vast majority. Moreover, Pune has people from several states working here who wanting better connectivity to their native places across the country. Besides new trains, several railway commuters' groups are also hoping for improvement in amenities and infrastructure from the budget.

In its list of suggestions and demands sent to the railway ministry, the Mahratta Chamber of Commerce Industries and Agriculture has asked for improving rail connectivity to almost all major destinations in the country. "Pune is an important city and therefore there is need to improve rail connectivity," Anant Sardeshmukh, director-general of MCCIA said here on Wednesday.

The MCCIA, which has a separate committee on railway and road traffic management, has demanded that besides new trains, all holiday special trains to stations like Ahmedabad, Bangalore, Chennai, Delhi, Jaipur, Bhubaneswar and Hyderabad should be converted into regular trains. The MCCIA has also suggested that trains which run once or twice a week should run daily.

Chairman of the committee, Chandmal Parmar said that there is a need for superfast trains originating from Pune to Bangalore, Hubli, Chennai, Mangalore and Goa. "Commuters for Delhi are depending exclusively on Jhelum and Goa-Nizamuddin express trains, which are inadequate to cater to the growing demand from passengers. The journey's time duration is abnormally high, even as passenger traffic to Delhi is increasing every day. The Duronto train to Delhi should run every day instead of twice a week," he said.

The MCCIA has also demanded new trains to Shirdi, Kolhapur, Latur, and Amravati in Maharashtra. To reduce the burden on the Karjat-Kalyan-Dadar section, the committee has suggested that the Karjat-Panvel route be used effectively. The panel also highlighted the need for intercity trains to Mumbai between 10 and 11.30 am and between 7 and 7.30 pm.

Chairperson of the Railway Users' Group, Harsha Shah said that the present trains up to Ahmedabad, Jaipur, Ernakulam (via Panvel), Indore, Jodhpur, and Lucknow should run daily as should both the Duronto trains to Howrah and Delhi. Trains from Pune to Bangalore and Chennai were needed and upgrading infrastructure facilities for the future would help, she added.

President of the Chinchwad Pravasi Sangh Gulamali Bhaldar said that the Railways proposal for a new line between Chinchwad to Roha in the Konkan should be explored. He added that more trains should halt in Pimpri-Chinchwad which would reduce the burden at Pune station and it will be of convenience to the passengers.


Officials said that all demands made by railway users groups are forwarded to the Central Railway office which sends it to the railway board

Read more: City's little India seeks more trains - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...#ixzz1CvF0WARa

[Ashis Mitra]

I THINK THE WISHLIST IS ENDLESS & ALSO FRUITLESS. ARE MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS HEARING /READING OUR WISHLIST? IF NOT THIS IS PURELY NOTHING BUT A WASTAGE OPF ENERGY, TIME, SPACE & ELECTRICITY.

[anujkb]

Originally Posted by gentem

more duronto less express trains, flight like experience no stopping at stations, no fear of theft or people selling something at in between stations, co-passengers getting down, new ones coming in etc etc

electrification good for mother earth, u got it all wrong

chennai-coimbatore not allowing boarding at salem (Lolz)
amritsar-chandigarh not allowing boarding at ludhiyana (Lolz)

U cant have a train nonstop pune-hyderabad not stopping at solapur.

Ive given all above combinations wrt such cities (tier 2/3) which also have many imp cities in between them.

And u say fear of theft?? travel by trains like trivendrum rajdhani. the keepers demand tip per delivery of bedding. they literally beg (with dish)....

duranto is good for longer connectivity, taking 10 hrs+.... not for intercity
and it doesnt give FLIGHT LIKE EXPERIENCE. these trains DO STOP for technical reasons.... u know, u cant make a loco pilot run a train nonstop for 43 hrs (NZM-ERS duranto) these trains stop at intermediate stations just as other trains. the only thing is u wont get a ticket from/to intermediate stations. people come to sell stuff also, co-passengers who wish to pay for entire journey can also get down (for nzm0pune duranto has technical stop at vasai road, people who wish to go to mumbai pay for delhi-pune run and hop off at vasai road, (do u know this option is cheaper than rajdhani by 50 rs?)

and Plz,, electrification doesnt help mother earth :P
33% transmission losses.
no electricity in homes and u want eletricity to run trains passing by these homes? people would steal elec from OHE wires then.

whatever dust and pollution u create in a diesel engine, ull create it at the thermal power plant which supplies elec. plus add the losses

overall energy reqd/km run for diesel is high agreed (consider right from production to burning of diesel), but its cheaper (subsidized rate for IR), more viable, versatile....

BUT BUT, even if you can maintain a decent schedule with a single line and say 8 crossings per 500 km, u lose hell lots of energy and time decelerating and accelerating. (exactly same situation at delhi-jaipur, bhigwan-solapur-hyderabad,chennai; chennai-madurai. AND HENCE doubling imp than electrifcn

Plz think before u post

[g vardhan]

Originally Posted by anujkb

and Plz,, electrification doesnt help mother earth :P
33% transmission losses.
no electricity in homes and u want eletricity to run trains passing by these homes? people would steal elec from OHE wires then.

??
try stealing electricity from an overhead 25kV line !!

[Ashis Mitra]

ha ha ha, how humorous comment!!

[Bombay2Calcutta]

IE
Chamber seeks hourly Pune-Mumbai trains

Pune:Ahead of the Railway Budget on February 24, the Mahratta Chamber of Commerce, Industries and Agriculture (MCCIA) has drawn the attention of the Railway Ministry to various ssues in the Pune division, such as better connectivity between a number of cities and regions including Mumbai, Gujarat, Rajasthan, Konkan, southern as well as northern states.

MCCIA executive-director general Anant Sardeshmukh and chairman of MCCIA's railway, road traffic management committee Chandmal Parmar highlighted various demands like improving the railway stations and providing adequate toilet and drinking water facilities at the stations.

“Introduction of hourly trains between Pune and Mumbai will benefit thousands of commuters and generate substantial revenue for the railways. Owing to the non-availability of train service during certain period of the day, commuters are forced to opt for road transport. It is therefore, requested that the railways can introduce super-fast trains starting from both ends between 10 am and 11.30 am; between 12.30 pm and 2.00 pm; and between 7 pm and 7.30 pm respectively,” Parmar said.

“Presently, very few trains are available from Pune to the southern parts of India. Moreover, these trains initiate from Mumbai and hence the quota available for Pune is limited. T herefore trains to Bangalore, Hubli, Chennai and Mangalore are the need of the hour.” he said adding, “

Apart from this, the volume of passenger traffic to and from Gujarat and Rajasthan is very high and is growing faster than the capacity of existing services. Therefore, introduction of superfast trains to Ahmedabad and Rajkot are necessary. “The entire Konkan region, which is a major centre of agro-horticultural products, is a major tourist attraction and needs proper connectivity with the rest of the state. Therefore, superfast trains to Ratnagiri and Madgaon (Goa) should be introduced,” he said.

There is an urgent need to shift the Cement Goods Shed to the convenient places outside the Pune city areas. Shifting of the Goods Shed outside the city limits will reduce the vehicular burden on city roads caused due to the movement of trucks carrying cement. They also questioned the delay in expediting the electrification work between Pune and Daund.

[gentem]

Originally Posted by anujkb

chennai-coimbatore not allowing boarding at salem (Lolz)
amritsar-chandigarh not allowing boarding at ludhiyana (Lolz)

U cant have a train nonstop pune-hyderabad not stopping at solapur.


BUT BUT, even if you can maintain a decent schedule with a single line and say 8 crossings per 500 km, u lose hell lots of energy and time decelerating and accelerating. (exactly same situation at delhi-jaipur, bhigwan-solapur-hyderabad,chennai; chennai-madurai. AND HENCE doubling imp than electrifcn

Plz think before u post

nowadays stop and go doesnt consume much power, as there is regenerative braking. daily duronto is future, salem ludhiyana ppl can board some other train than disturbing duronto flight ppl in middle of journey

Originally Posted by g vardhan

??
try stealing electricity from an overhead 25kV line !!

these days thieves are hi-tech they use transformers and all

[anujkb]

Originally Posted by gentem

daily duronto is future, salem ludhiyana ppl can board some other train than disturbing duronto flight ppl in middle of journey

daily duranto is future, who said!

mas-cbe duranto runs everyday with technical halt at salem.
so will amritsar-chandigarh duranto (almost to be launched now)
and also howrah-digha (runs daily with 10% occupancy)
& howrah-puri duranto (no halt at bhubaneshwar, capital city of orissa)

All these are daily durantos, running very much like shatabdis, without allowing people to board at intermediate stations, though these trains halt at intermediate stations... and u wont get a flight like feeling.

and dont salem, ludhiana & bhubaneshwar people deserve an all AC train?

people at intermediate stops cant catch a train like that... its not catching a bus by showing ur hand... the quota for intermediate stations is very less. say 1 coach in 10 coaches. applicable for 90% trains of IR.

BTW, stealing was an overexaggerated comment

[gentem]

as for stealing i do feel insecure when train stops in some station and lot of people get down and get in. my sleep is disturbed. as long as co-passengers dont get down or get in, fine with few stops, it is flight like experience for me

dont worry howrah-digha will be cancelled once wb elections over this May and dont the salem, ludhiana & bhubaneshwar people have some other A/C train to catch than duronto? bangalore-delhi duronto is currently weekly train, it will be made daily in around one year future

duronto is start of indian version of high speed rail.. its top speed will be increased gradually to 300kmph and travel time will almost match that of a flight

[anujkb]

Originally Posted by gentem

dont worry howrah-digha will be cancelled once wb elections over this May and dont the salem, ludhiana & bhubaneshwar people have some other A/C train to catch than duronto? bangalore-delhi duronto is currently weekly train, it will be made daily in around one year future

i have no issues with long distance durantos. they are very much superhit.

bhubaneshwar people have only 1 AC coach in daytime to go to howrah.
well for amritsar-chandigarh, theres no direct train as of now. people hop off to ambala jn and go to chandigarh. So 2 shatabdis 1 garib rath 12 superfasts and 4 expresses, 2 mails, 1 passenger runs between ambala and amritsar..

salem peolpe dont have any other option but to suffer, being intermediate city. same condition with vadodara.

what route does bangalore-delhi duranto take? i think itll be faster via hubli,pune, vadodara (27 hrs)

[anujkb]

See here

Accommodation Availability Enquiry

You Queried For
Train Number Train Name Date
(DD-MM-YYYY) Source Station Destination Station Quota Code
12074 BBS JAN SHATABD 11-02-2011 BHUBANESWAR HOWRAH JN GENERAL



S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - CC Class -2S
1 11- 2-2011 WL 16/WL 16 AVAILABLE 347

2 12- 2-2011 WL 28/WL 17 AVAILABLE 247

3 14- 2-2011 WL 13/WL 11 AVAILABLE 521

4 15- 2-2011 WL 11/WL 8 AVAILABLE 553

5 16- 2-2011 WL 13/WL 5 AVAILABLE 496

This is the ONLY train which leaves bhubaneshwar early in morn and reaches hwh before lunch. And see its status for a week ahead. All Chair cars are wait listed. whereas all sitting coaches are having 400 available seats.

high time mamata realises we need more AC intercity trains.. with stops enroute. i dont prefer shatabdi bcoz of slightly high fare due to food provision (which is crap)

6 17- 2-2011 WL 13/WL 13 AVAILABLE 449

[anujkb]

Mumbai-madgaon day train

Accommodation Availability Enquiry

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Train Number Train Name Date
(DD-MM-YYYY) Source Station Destination Station Quota Code
12051 JAN SHATABDI EX 12-02-2011 MUMBAI CST MADGAON GENERAL



S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - CC Class -2S
1 12- 2-2011 WL 75/WL 56 WL 293/WL 235

2 13- 2-2011 WL 41/WL 33 WL 218/WL 153

3 14- 2-2011 WL 46/WL 17 WL 145/WL 92

4 15- 2-2011 WL 33/WL 23 WL 234/WL 173

5 16- 2-2011 WL 62/WL 41 WL 395/WL 315

6 17- 2-2011 WL 57/WL 52 WL 515/WL 455

WTF.... 515 waitlisted....
from mumbai to ratnagiri, same train
Accommodation Availability Enquiry

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Train Number Train Name Date
(DD-MM-YYYY) Source Station Destination Station Quota Code
12051 JAN SHATABDI EX 12-02-2011 MUMBAI CST RATNAGIRI GENERAL



S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - CC Class -2S
1 12- 2-2011 WL 75/WL 56 WL 293/WL 235

2 13- 2-2011 WL 41/WL 33 WL 218/WL 153

3 14- 2-2011 WL 46/WL 17 WL 145/WL 92

4 15- 2-2011 WL 33/WL 23 WL 234/WL 173

5 16- 2-2011 WL 62/WL 41 WL 395/WL 315

6 17- 2-2011 WL 57/WL 52 WL 515/WL 455

from ratnagiri to madgaon, same train
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Train Number Train Name Date
(DD-MM-YYYY) Source Station Destination Station Quota Code
12051 JAN SHATABDI EX 12-02-2011 RATNAGIRI MADGAON GENERAL



S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - CC Class -2S
1 12- 2-2011 WL 75/WL 56 AVAILABLE 133

2 13- 2-2011 WL 41/WL 33 AVAILABLE 81

3 14- 2-2011 WL 46/WL 17 AVAILABLE 85

4 15- 2-2011 AVAILABLE 4 AVAILABLE 74

5 16- 2-2011 AVAILABLE 2 AVAILABLE 48

6 17- 2-2011 WL 57/WL 52 AVAILABLE 37

Which shows majority (75% people) get down at ratnagiri. This doesnt mean mumbai madgaon people are Nil. Thus if you want to have an AC train from Mumbai to Madgaon it must (and must) halt at ratnagiri.......


Wait for more examples.........





from ernakulam to trivendrum, only comfy shedule train is janshatabdi. in evening, its run is

Accommodation Availability Enquiry

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Train Number Train Name Date
(DD-MM-YYYY) Source Station Destination Station Quota Code
12075 JAN SHATABDI 12-02-2011 ERANAKULAM JN TRIVANDRUM CNTL GENERAL



S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - CC Class -2S
1 12- 2-2011 WL 12/WL 12 AVAILABLE 834

2 13- 2-2011 WL 30/WL 24 AVAILABLE 847

3 14- 2-2011 WL 14/WL 11 AVAILABLE 979

4 15- 2-2011 WL 12/WL 12 AVAILABLE 982

5 16- 2-2011 WL 2/WL 2 AVAILABLE 995

6 17- 2-2011 WL 29/WL 17 AVAILABLE 825

Again see, ACCC is waitlisted whereas sitting is empty....

this train janshatabdi runs to calicut.

from calicut to ernakulam: same train:

S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - CC Class -2S
1 11- 2-2011 AVAILABLE 38 AVAILABLE 733

2 12- 2-2011 AVAILABLE 29 AVAILABLE 1135

3 13- 2-2011 WL 11/WL 9 AVAILABLE 1151

4 14- 2-2011 AVAILABLE 69 AVAILABLE 1352

5 15- 2-2011 AVAILABLE 67 AVAILABLE 1254

6 16- 2-2011 AVAILABLE 94 AVAILABLE 1384

for 2 weeks ahead, 66% occupancy on chair car (110 capacity) and second sitting runs almost empty.....

Again repeating

HIGH TIME mamata realises AC intercities with intermediate stops are the need of the hour....

Next:

See failure of duranto here:

from delhi to ernakulam you have 3 options: mangala ldweep, trivendrum rajdhani, and ernakulam duranto.
From Delhi To Ernakulam:
Duranto:
Accommodation Availability Enquiry

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Train Number Train Name Date
(DD-MM-YYYY) Source Station Destination Station Quota Code
12284 NZM ERS DURONTO 05-02-2011 H NIZAMUDDIN ERANAKULAM JN GENERAL



S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - 3A Class -SL
1 5- 2-2011 AVAILABLE 107 AVAILABLE 146

2 12- 2-2011 AVAILABLE 146 AVAILABLE 193

3 19- 2-2011 AVAILABLE 154 AVAILABLE 357

4 26- 2-2011 AVAILABLE 153 AVAILABLE 272

5 5- 3-2011 AVAILABLE 157 AVAILABLE 394

6 12- 3-2011 AVAILABLE 155 AVAILABLE 418

i.e. runs empty

Mangala lakshdweep:
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Train Number Train Name Date
(DD-MM-YYYY) Source Station Destination Station Quota Code
12618 MNGLA LKSDP EXP 12-02-2011 H NIZAMUDDIN ERANAKULAM JN GENERAL



S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - 2A Class -3A
1 12- 2-2011 WL 67/WL 19 WL 64/WL 34

2 13- 2-2011 WL 68/WL 20 WL 52/WL 41

3 14- 2-2011 WL 65/WL 13 WL 44/WL 31

4 15- 2-2011 WL 73/WL 8 WL 53/WL 33

5 16- 2-2011 WL 36/WL 18 WL 46/WL 34

6 17- 2-2011 WL 14/WL 6 WL 54/WL 36

ie. always and always waitlisted!!!!

trivendrum rajdhani:

S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - 3A Class -2A
1 13- 2-2011 RAC12/RAC 4 AVAILABLE 21

2 15- 2-2011 AVAILABLE 57 AVAILABLE 6

3 16- 2-2011 AVAILABLE 64 AVAILABLE 45

4 20- 2-2011 AVAILABLE 2 AVAILABLE 20

5 22- 2-2011 AVAILABLE 88 AVAILABLE 66

6 23- 2-2011 AVAILABLE 33 AVAILABLE 56

i.e. about 75% occupied.

Which means: Mangala exp, halts at numerous stations, still has very very high patronage.
duranto, which doesnt allow people to go in it, is a failure.
rajdhani does fair well with some stops at intermediate stations in kerala... and it doesnt take the mumbai passengers, thats why its emptier than mangala....