Discussions | Western Australian Population thread

hayds · January 24th, 2011, 11:41 AM

We are fast approaching what will be seen as a significant milestone in Western Australias and Perth's history.
If Perth continues to grow at least 35-40,000 people annually, it will reach 2million people at around the year 2016.

With the title of being a city of 2m, do you think this will change the mindset of many, if any, peoples expectations/idealisms etc. of how Perth would/should be like going into the future. (nimbys, councils, residents, visitors. etc) and will these expectations be met and serviced by what will suddenly be a city of 2m.

Will it bring any optimism? or make an ounce of difference to how you view Perth as a city, as a place to live and work?

Hopefully it will have an impact for the better.

(ok yea delete this thread if its a crap one...just didnt see any related thread around)

Matt B · January 24th, 2011, 12:38 PM

Tell 'im 'es dreamin'

fast_fokker · January 24th, 2011, 12:46 PM

In the podcast (link below), there is some really interesting discussions as to what happens to a city as it grows...

Apparently a strong correlation between the city size and the ability of the population to innovate and develop specialist skills... have a listen.

http://www.radiolab.org/2010/oct/08/

PS, don't delete the thread, there is some fascinating discussion to be had around this subject.

***Dilaz89*** · January 24th, 2011, 03:36 PM

The thread can stay. This is something that we can discuss.

Hayds can do the nice thing by providing us with official stats and data to look over

AndyGM · January 24th, 2011, 11:30 PM

Perth will get to 2m before 2016 once Mandurah is included in the Perth Statistical Division.

With Mandurah included, Perth was at around 1.74 million in June 2009, probably somewhere around 1.78 million in June last year and probably over 1.8 million now. At that rate, Perth should hit 2m around 2014-2015.

The mindset about Perth is already changing. Perth used to be constantly compared to a big country town but that happens a lot less these days than it did ten years ago (still happens though).

hayds · January 25th, 2011, 01:20 AM

This was published in 1995, the population predictions were modest back then.

http://www.planning.wa.gov.au/Public...ion.pdf?id=397

AndyGM · January 25th, 2011, 01:43 AM

Yeah the ABS projections are usually just based on historical growth which puts them well out of kilter if growth rates change (as they have for WA).

Ari Gold · January 25th, 2011, 02:46 AM

I think the mindset of Perth will change as those with major influence (i.e. the baby boomers) start to dwindle off and retire/ die.

Perth will change, just slowly.

hayds · January 25th, 2011, 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ari Gold

retire/ die.

fast_fokker · January 25th, 2011, 12:59 PM

I do believe that there will be a significant internal migration into WA from the ES with our generally high level of home ownership, those coming over who sell their houses will have some cash to spend here, keeping pricing buoyant. This in turn has that flow on effect by stimulating further growth.

dallastexjr · January 25th, 2011, 04:47 PM

Brisbane had city road problems once it closed in on 2 million, which are only just being handled now (floods aside). I imagine we'll have similar problems in the city. It's possible we could even end up with a substandard airport

dwdudley · January 26th, 2011, 10:43 AM

people are thinking bigger... will start to expect/and demand bigger infrastructure projects ... eg. i don't think the community will accept The Knowledge Arc getting built in 5 stages over 15 years ... people will start to realise our natural resources are building amazing things everywhere in the world except here ... the workforce is getting dragged up north to fuel overseas development and we are missing out on the good stuff ourselves

GAbE27 · January 27th, 2011, 02:52 AM

speaking of that DW, we pay the one of the highest domestic price for gas out of any of the oil & gas economies in the world... for example Venezuela, the gas provided to the domestic market is almost free for its citizens.

BartBart · January 27th, 2011, 02:35 PM

Is there a big distance between their oil and/or gas fields and the big cities?

Matt B · January 27th, 2011, 03:16 PM

to be honest just from a political angle I don't think that Venezuela is a great comparison. Our gas ain't going to be getting any cheaper anyway, and certainly doesn't seem to be holding the country bak.

BartBart · January 27th, 2011, 03:24 PM

I was half thinking about the political influence of the issue. But then got sidetracked.

jpsolarized · January 29th, 2011, 01:05 AM

i think Perth could be decades ahead from the other OZ cities by just simply building a subway-metro system, and with that you would only not be the most modern city in Australia, but also have one of the most defining gadgets a big, cool city has, a METRO

you have the money.....why not? be the pioneer in Oceania

WCG · January 29th, 2011, 01:09 AM

Because we dont do things like that in Perth! We like our lawns and we like things the way they are thank you very mucch- if you dont like it move...... LOL

jarkti · January 29th, 2011, 05:33 AM

-edit-, was a bit harsh

WCG · January 30th, 2011, 02:37 PM

it was meant to b a joke

January 24th, 2011, 11:41 AM	#1
hayds resU deretsigeR Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 4,352 Likes (Received): 99	Discussions \| Western Australian Population thread We are fast approaching what will be seen as a significant milestone in Western Australias and Perth's history. If Perth continues to grow at least 35-40,000 people annually, it will reach 2million people at around the year 2016. With the title of being a city of 2m, do you think this will change the mindset of many, if any, peoples expectations/idealisms etc. of how Perth would/should be like going into the future. (nimbys, councils, residents, visitors. etc) and will these expectations be met and serviced by what will suddenly be a city of 2m. Will it bring any optimism? or make an ounce of difference to how you view Perth as a city, as a place to live and work? Hopefully it will have an impact for the better. (ok yea delete this thread if its a crap one...just didnt see any related thread around) __________________ . i want to go where everyone goes / i want to know what everyone knows

January 25th, 2011, 01:20 AM	#6
hayds resU deretsigeR Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 4,352 Likes (Received): 99	This was published in 1995, the population predictions were modest back then. http://www.planning.wa.gov.au/Public...ion.pdf?id=397 __________________ . i want to go where everyone goes / i want to know what everyone knows

January 25th, 2011, 02:46 AM	#8
Ari Gold Mr Superstar Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Perthzillia Posts: 2,192 Likes (Received): 7	I think the mindset of Perth will change as those with major influence (i.e. the baby boomers) start to dwindle off and retire/ die. Perth will change, just slowly. __________________ Perth - Lawns n Yawns for All

January 25th, 2011, 04:47 PM	#11
dallastexjr WHY NOT? Project Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Perth Posts: 3,227 Likes (Received): 79	Brisbane had city road problems once it closed in on 2 million, which are only just being handled now (floods aside). I imagine we'll have similar problems in the city. It's possible we could even end up with a substandard airport __________________ Museum Of Perth *Making It A Reality!*

January 27th, 2011, 02:52 AM	#13
GAbE27 phototaker Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: M>A>R>S, Mars Biitches! Posts: 3,222 Likes (Received): 0	speaking of that DW, we pay the one of the highest domestic price for gas out of any of the oil & gas economies in the world... for example Venezuela, the gas provided to the domestic market is almost free for its citizens. __________________ Ceux qui représentent rien chute pour n'importe quoi !! Quote Ryan79: Gabe. Your like a hetero oasis in a poof desert.

January 24th, 2011, 12:38 PM	#2
Matt B Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,205 Likes (Received): 73	Tell 'im 'es dreamin'

January 24th, 2011, 12:46 PM	#3
fast_fokker Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 469 Likes (Received): 19	In the podcast (link below), there is some really interesting discussions as to what happens to a city as it grows... Apparently a strong correlation between the city size and the ability of the population to innovate and develop specialist skills... have a listen. http://www.radiolab.org/2010/oct/08/ PS, don't delete the thread, there is some fascinating discussion to be had around this subject.

January 24th, 2011, 03:36 PM	#4
*Dilaz89* Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Perth, Dubai, World Posts: 13,922 Likes (Received): 182	The thread can stay. This is something that we can discuss. Hayds can do the nice thing by providing us with official stats and data to look over

January 24th, 2011, 11:30 PM	#5
AndyGM Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Canberra Posts: 2,172 Likes (Received): 247	Perth will get to 2m before 2016 once Mandurah is included in the Perth Statistical Division. With Mandurah included, Perth was at around 1.74 million in June 2009, probably somewhere around 1.78 million in June last year and probably over 1.8 million now. At that rate, Perth should hit 2m around 2014-2015. The mindset about Perth is already changing. Perth used to be constantly compared to a big country town but that happens a lot less these days than it did ten years ago (still happens though).

January 25th, 2011, 01:43 AM	#7
AndyGM Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Canberra Posts: 2,172 Likes (Received): 247	Yeah the ABS projections are usually just based on historical growth which puts them well out of kilter if growth rates change (as they have for WA).

January 25th, 2011, 12:59 PM	#10
fast_fokker Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 469 Likes (Received): 19	I do believe that there will be a significant internal migration into WA from the ES with our generally high level of home ownership, those coming over who sell their houses will have some cash to spend here, keeping pricing buoyant. This in turn has that flow on effect by stimulating further growth.

January 26th, 2011, 10:43 AM	#12
dwdudley Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 315 Likes (Received): 5	people are thinking bigger... will start to expect/and demand bigger infrastructure projects ... eg. i don't think the community will accept The Knowledge Arc getting built in 5 stages over 15 years ... people will start to realise our natural resources are building amazing things everywhere in the world except here ... the workforce is getting dragged up north to fuel overseas development and we are missing out on the good stuff ourselves

January 27th, 2011, 02:35 PM	#14
BartBart In the sweetspot Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 8,601 Likes (Received): 122	Is there a big distance between their oil and/or gas fields and the big cities? __________________ He who rejects change is the architect of decay. The only human institution which rejects progress is the cemetery. Harold Wilson

January 27th, 2011, 03:16 PM	#15
Matt B Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,205 Likes (Received): 73	to be honest just from a political angle I don't think that Venezuela is a great comparison. Our gas ain't going to be getting any cheaper anyway, and certainly doesn't seem to be holding the country bak.

January 27th, 2011, 03:24 PM	#16
BartBart In the sweetspot Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 8,601 Likes (Received): 122	I was half thinking about the political influence of the issue. But then got sidetracked. __________________ He who rejects change is the architect of decay. The only human institution which rejects progress is the cemetery. Harold Wilson

January 29th, 2011, 01:05 AM	#17
jpsolarized Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 514 Likes (Received): 29	i think Perth could be decades ahead from the other OZ cities by just simply building a subway-metro system, and with that you would only not be the most modern city in Australia, but also have one of the most defining gadgets a big, cool city has, a METRO you have the money.....why not? be the pioneer in Oceania

January 29th, 2011, 01:09 AM	#18
WCG Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Perth, WA Posts: 1,188 Likes (Received): 9	Because we dont do things like that in Perth! We like our lawns and we like things the way they are thank you very mucch- if you dont like it move...... LOL

January 29th, 2011, 05:33 AM	#19
jarkti World's Happiest Person Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Perth Posts: 7,093 Likes (Received): 72	-edit-, was a bit harsh __________________ flickr Jarkti's Photo Thread

January 30th, 2011, 02:37 PM	#20
WCG Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Perth, WA Posts: 1,188 Likes (Received): 9	it was meant to b a joke

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