Egypt's 25th of January Revolution

[OnceBittenTwiceShy]

Can't wait until the puss comes out the malignant tumor that is called Mohamed Zoheir Garana.

[Azmat]

Originally Posted by Montrealers

A7a ya M3ara%s ya MHM

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What the hell, how can they do something like that.

Originally Posted by xAbd0o

lol see, I do the same. My friends keep on making jokes about me all day. today one pulled the newspaper front page and told me LOOK! I said ya I know what? he went Egyptians do really have sense of humour but ya. I also get live updates from my friends on Egypt they talking to me 24/7.

My friends always say that I watch porn on my phone whenever I sit in the corner and start reading news about Egypt. Just because they're horny bastards they think everyone is.

[egypt69]

That diplomatic car video is absolutely shocking and disgusting. Someone REALLY has to pay for all this.

I know for a fact that those are the type of vehicles used by the American Embassy. But why would they do that? It doesn't make sense.

Originally Posted by OnceBittenTwiceShy

Can't wait until the puss comes out the malignant tumor that is called Mohamed Zoheir Garana.

He was also referred to prosecution and banned from leaving the country btw.

[Azmat]

Someone might have stole it.

[xAbd0o]

Originally Posted by Azmat

What the hell, how can they do something like that.



My friends always say that I watch porn on my phone whenever I sit in the corner and start reading news about Egypt. Just because they're horny bastards they think everyone is.

Same I have two of my friends and they're such dirty minded, OMG! but I owned them today Made them go "you actually made us laugh that's the best I have ever heard from this college"

I'll PM ya some stuff you'll laugh ya head off.


anyways back to topic, so they plan to go to million tomorrow too?

[Azmat]

Originally Posted by xAbd0o

Same I have two of my friends and they're such dirty minded, OMG! but I owned them today Made them go "you actually made us laugh that's the best I have ever heard from this college"

I'll PM ya some stuff you'll laugh ya head off.


anyways back to topic, so they plan to go to million tomorrow too?

Okey.

I hope they do, they have to pressure that mf'er to make him resign.

[Montrealers]

The white van that i have sent yesterday was from the American embassy knowing that american embassy are people from CIA. So who to believe? The american urging egyptian that it was a stolen car from their embassy or it was an american who wanted to create a fitna....

[egypt69]

Originally Posted by Montrealers

The white van that i have sent yesterday was from the American embassy knowing that american embassy are people from CIA. So who to believe? The american urging egyptian that it was a stolen car from their embassy or it was an american who wanted to create a fitna....

I don't see any reason why an American Embassy staff would want to randomly run over a group of Egyptians.


Anyways, I'm attending a protest tomorrow for the second week, with SSC Forumer Ramy_h.

[Montrealers]

Originally Posted by egypt69

I don't see any reason why an American Embassy staff would want to randomly run over a group of Egyptians.


Anyways, I'm attending a protest tomorrow for the second week, with SSC Forumer Ramy_h.

Have fun in the protest . Try to enter the embassy hopefully will be a coup .

[egypt69]

Egypt protesters hold their ground


With protests demanding end to Mubarak's rule entering the 12th day, people in Tahrir Square prepared to wait him out.




Demonstrators are still standing their ground in the Egyptian capital several hours after hundreds of thousands of protesters gathered in Cairo to call for Hosni Mubarak, the Egyptian president, to quit. down.

The protests entered their twelfth day on Saturday, a day after the city's Tahrir Square, the focal point of protests in Egypt, saw demonstrators observe what they termed a "Day of Departure" for the man who has been the country's leader for the last 30 years.

Mass demonstrations, which commenced after Friday prayers, were also seen in the cities of Alexandria, Mahalla and Giza.

Protests continued into the night, in defiance of a curfew that has not been observed since it was first enforced last week. The newly relaxed curfew now runs from 7pm to 6am local time.

One protester in Cairo told Al Jazeera that demonstrators would continue protesting until Mubarak steps down.

"It's either death, or freedom," he said.

Ahmed Shafiq, Egypt's new prime minister, however, said on Friday that Mubarak would not be handing over powers to Omar Suleiman, the vice-president, before the September elections. In statements carried by the official MENA news agency, Shafiq "ruled out" an early exit for Mubarak.

"We need President Mubarak to stay for legislative reasons," he said.

Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, Egypt's defence minister, visited Tahrir Square earlier on Friday, making him the first member of the government to do so. He talked with the protesters and military commanders.

Speaking on Friday in Washington, Barack Obama, the US president, said it was "clear that there must be a transition process that begins now ... and leads to free and fair elections".

Obama said that a "successful and orderly transition must be meaningful and ... must address the legitimate grievances of those who seek a better future".

He said that in this "time of tumult and transformation", the US would remain a "strong friend and partner" to the Egyptian people.

Standoff in Cairo

Al Jazeera's online producer in Cairo reported that a gunshot was heard in the centre of the capital on Friday afternoon, but no further violence was reported.


Our online producer describes the standoff at Talaat Harb Square
Earlier, about 200 Mubarak loyalists gathered on the 6th of October Bridge, near the square, with another 200 below the bridge.

Our correspondent reported that there was a short standoff between about 300 Mubarak loyalists and pro-democracy protesters in the Talaat Harb square, which is located on a street leading to the main protest centre.

People were throwing rocks at one another, and the Mubarak loyalists were eventually driven from the square.

Our correspondents said that there were up to five layers of checkpoints at some entrances, with makeshift barricades being put up by pro-democracy protesters.

At one point, a huge cheer went up amongst protesters when a false rumour went around saying that the president had stepped down.

Our correspondents have said that pro-democracy protesters have also "overpowered" several people who were suspected of wanting to engage in violence, and delivered them to the army, who are detaining them.

Our online producer termed Tahrir Square a "fully functioning encampment, with medical camps and pharmacies".

Army separating protesters

Soldiers on foot are very visible, and army armoured personnel carriers and tanks have taken up positions to control the 6th of October bridge entrance to the square, our correspondent said.

Another correspondent added that the army appeared to be placing itself so as to separate Mubarak loyalists from pro-democracy protesters, and another correspondent indicated that the army was detaining some Mubarak supporters in order to prevent them from reaching the main square.

"The atmosphere is not quite as triumphal as Tuesday's rally; people then said Mubarak would be out in a matter of hours, but now most of them think it'll be a long time," reported Al Jazeera's online producer from the square.

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Tahrir Square echoes with 'Go Mubarak!' chants

He added that protesters, a diverse array of men, women and children from various economic and religious backgrounds, fear an outbreak of violence and the atmosphere remains tense.

"The feel here is that today is the final day for Mubarak, it's time for him to go," Gigi Ibrahim, a political activist told Al Jazeera from the square.

Some protesters have called for the crowd to begin marching towards the presidential palace.
Amr Moussa, Egypt's former foreign minister and current secretary-general of the Arab League, also spoke to demonstrators.

Earlier, prime minister Shafiq said the interior minister should not obstruct Friday's peaceful marches.

Al Jazeera's offices in Cairo were attacked on Friday by "gangs of thugs", according to a statement from the network. The office was burned, along with the equipment inside it.

Later, Egyptian security forces arrested Al Jazeera's Cairo bureau chief and another Al Jazeera journalist in the capital.

Security forces also broke into the headquarters of the Muslim Brotherhood's website and arrested 12 journalists there, Al Masry Al Youm, the country's largest independent newspaper, and the Associated Press reported on Friday.

Egyptian state television has been reporting that the situation in Cairo is currently quiet and calm.

They have not shown footage of the angry protesters, though they have said that they will try to bring some protesters into their studios for interviews.

Meanwhile, Egypt's prosecutor-general has barred Rashid Mohammed Rashid, the former trade and industry minister, from leaving the country, and has frozen his bank accounts, the state news agency MENA said on Friday.

The same measures had earlier been ordered against Habib al-Adly, the former interior minister, and Ahmed Ezz, a businessman.

State-run newspaper Al-Ahram said on Friday that an Egyptian reporter shot during clashes earlier this week had died of his wounds.

The fatality is the first reported death of a journalist during the wave of anti-government protests.

Mubarak fears 'chaos'

On Thursday, Mubarak said he wanted to leave office, but feared there will be chaos if he did.


Click here for more on Al Jazeera's special coverage.
Speaking to America's ABC television he said: "I am fed up. After 62 years in public service, I have had enough. I want to go."

But he added: "If I resign today, there will be chaos."

Mubarak's government has struggled to regain control of a nation angry about poverty, recession and political repression, inviting the Muslim Brotherhood - Egypt's most organised opposition movement - to talks and apologising for Wednesday's bloodshed in Cairo.

In a bid to calm the situation, Omar Suleiman, the vice-president, said on Thursday that Muslim Brotherhood and other opposition groups had been invited to meet the new government as part of a national dialogue.

The Muslim Brotherhood and other opposition actors, including Mohamed ElBaradei, have refused the offer for talks until Mubarak leaves office.

"We demand that this regime is overthrown, and we demand the formation of a national unity government for all the factions," the Muslim Brotherhood said in a statement broadcast by Al Jazeera.

Mohammed Al-Beltagi, a leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood, told Al Jazeera on Friday that his organisation has no ambitions to run for the presidency, while ElBaradei said that he would run "if he people ask".

The developments come as the New York Times reports, quoting US officials and Arab diplomats, that the US administration is discussing with Egyptian officials a proposal for Mubarak to resign immediately and hand over power to a transitional government headed by Omar Suleiman.

This report, though unconfirmed by the White House, comes after Mubarak's statements on Tuesday where he agreed to give up power in September at the end of his current term.

Bloody clashes

At least 13 people have died and scores were injured over the last two days when Mubarak loyalists launched a counter-attack on pro-democracy protesters.

The Egyptian health ministry put the number of wounded at up to 5,000 since the start of the protests.


Protesters chanted 'He must go!'
The army took little action on Wednesday while the fighting raged in Tahrir Square over the past two days.

The interior ministry has denied it ordered its agents or officers to attack prior pro-democracy demonstrations.

Suleiman said that the government would not forcefully remove protesters. "We will ask them to go home, but we will not push them to go home," he said.

Ahead of Friday's mass protests, eyewitnesses told Al Jazeera that thugs, with the assistance of security vehicles, were readying to attack the square. They said protesters were preparing to confront them.

Protesters also reported finding petrol bombs on security personnel dressed in civilian clothes.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...240504912.html

[Montrealers]

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[egypt69]

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Guys, a VERY very great and interesting development has come up:

Egypt youth to announce formation of 25-person negotiating body, including Baradei, Zewail and Moussa

The coalition of youth movements providing field leadership to the pro-democracy protesters is to announce, tomorrow, the formation of a 25-person committee mandated to negotiate with the Egyptian state




Members of the coalition of youth movements, which triggered the 25 April popular uprising and have since provided field leadership to the occupation of Tahrir Sq have agreed on mandating a 25-person committee of public and political figures to negotiate on behalf of the pro-democracy protesters, lawyer Ziad El-Eleimy, a leading member of one of the youth movements and a close associate of Mohamed El-Baradei, revealed to Ahram Online.

According to El-Eleimy, the 25-person committee is to include an assemblage of Egyptian luminaries, among whom the former director of the International Atomic Energy Agency and Nobel laureate, El-Baradei, himself. Another Egyptian Nobel laureate on the committee is Ahmed

Zewail, a professor of chemistry and physics at the famed California Institute of Technology (Caltec), who also sits on US President Barak Obama’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology. Over the past few years, Zewail has been increasingly vocal in criticizing the Egyptian regime for its lack of democracy. Arab League Secretary General Amr Moussa, who retains wide popularity among Egyptian and Arab publics is also expected to be a member of the committee.

Not surprisingly, these three public figures have been among the names suggested as possible candidates for the presidency, once President Mubarak steps down.

The full list of members is to be announced tomorrow Saturday, said El-Eleimy, but preferred not to disclose as yet how that announcement is to be made.

He did stress, however, that the committee is to include five representatives of the youth movements.

As to when, and under which terms, the committee would enter into negotiations, El-Eleimy indicated that this would depend either on President Mubarak stepping down, or the announcement of a credible commitment to his stepping down within a specified, and short, period of time.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsCont...on-negoti.aspx

Wow that's like a Freedom & Democracy all-star team!

An excellent group of people, all highly educated, secular, moderates with diplomatic experience, and people who really do love their country and want the best for it and the Egyptian people

2 Nobel Laureates too....it would be a dream come true seeing these people as our new government!


Also, this statement by the protesters is an excellent read, basically a "how to beat Mubarak" guide, and where to go from now:

Egyptians issue statement to sustain movement

In only two weeks, the Egyptian opposition’s nonviolent mobilization in the streets and squares of Cairo has shaken the foundation of a dictatorship and created new political space and activism among ordinary Egyptians. It has also achieved significant gains—eliminating Mubarak’s chance of running for re-election; removing the possibility that his son, Gamal, will succeed him; winning overwhelming international sympathy; and increasing the likelihood that a stable transition to genuine democracy will unfold in Egypt in the next weeks. In so doing, it appears to have undermined the ability of the Egyptian army to act submissively to any plan for general repression, although the degree of the army’s remaining loyalty is not fully known.

The movement’s primary means of achieving these gains have been through mass demonstrations, marches, and the general strike – reinforced by the regime’s shut-down of the internet — that has accompanied the mobilization. The disruptive power of these nonviolent tactics has proven strong enough to withstand repression by the regime’s police and private agents, and the use of plainclothesmen and provocateurs to instigate violence.

Scenarios for how this situation may evolve are numerous, and no one can predict the outcome. If the history of conflicts between nonviolent movements and autocratic regimes is any guide, however, two points are likely to hold:

1. Regardless of the short-term outcome—whether Hosni Mubarak stays in power, or not, and if so whoever replaces him—the Egyptian opposition will need to continue to exert pressure in order to make sure that it shapes the outcome of the ongoing civil struggle for power that will unfold simultaneously with an eventual period of negotiations and institutional transition.

2. The kind of large-scale, physical, centralized tactics—demonstrations, marches, and general strikes—that have been most effective for the opposition thus far are not easily sustained continuously for periods of months. While disrupting the government in the short term, such tactics are also costly for the opposition in terms of physical fatigue, lost income for families, and the reduction of morale for participants who are disappointed when full victory has not been instantaneous.

These two realities indicate that the Egyptian opposition’s success in the long-term may hinge in part on its ability to innovate tactically and engage in a diversity of sustained nonviolent actions that maintain pressure in a variety of ways—political, economic, and even social—on the residual structure of the regime.

Deciding what those tactics might be requires detailed analysis that only those on the ground in Egypt can do. One question to be answered is where to target new tactics. Those with detailed knowledge of the remaining key loyal individuals and groups maintaining the regime’s pillars of support – such as key banks and financial institutions, oligarchs atop export industries, the security services and army — are best positioned to answer that question by analyzing what the long-term interests and short-term vulnerabilities of those individuals and organizations are. As their interests are jeopardized, they will see the merit of adjusting politically to the increased likelihood of a government with a much different character.

For example, businesses usually value sustaining profits over loyalty to any given political leaders. If businesses that remain supportive of the regime become convinced that as long as he remains in power, they will lose money (for example through targeted domestic consumer boycotts; international boycotts; interruptions in supply lines; or work slow-downs, limited strikes or stay-at-homes by labor groups), they will likely shift their support from the residual regime and encourage more rapid change.

In another example, members of the military and police who may be loyal because they fear the personal consequences that a political transition may have for them should receive sustained targeted communications by members of the opposition that those who serve and protect the people of Egypt—as opposed to the corrupt rule of a dictator and his ruling circle—will be regarded as having a higher patriotism and having a key role to play in the future of Egypt. In other nonviolent struggles, such as in Ukraine in 2004, retired members of the military were actively recruited by the movement and served a key role in carrying out this communication function with current military officers.

The time to target the remaining key supporters of Mubarak could not be more ripe. Having already stated that he will not run in the September presidential election, Mubarak’s influence and that of his key lieutenants is already fading, even though it may not yet be visible. The use of xenophobia and conspiracy theories, to try to allege that indigenous protests have been carried out by foreign agents, show a kind of regime panic that is not consistent with rational decisonmaking. Each individual and group that has stood with Mubarak in the past now has to make a new calculation about whom to ally with and what to do in the changing political reality. As confusion and uncertainty set in among them, focused tactics by the opposition can have a significant influence on tipping the balance.

Once targets are selected, another consideration in tactical innovation is deciding what tactics will be most effective. The answer to this question depends on an assessment of what tactics the opposition is capable of executing and for how long they can be sustained. As stated, some tactics, such as mass demonstrations and marches, require substantial resources by the opposition in order to be maintained for weeks on end. Those tactics also often involve the greatest risk of violent repression and the highest likelihood that those in the opposition will be provoked into violence as well.

As the opposition maps the coming weeks, it may therefore want to consider carefully where, when, and for how long such tactics should be used. Other tactics usable by all Egyptians, such as consumer boycotts or withdrawing money from certain financial institutions, often involve less risk to individuals and can often (depending on what goods or institutions are boycotted) be conducted with relatively less personal sacrifice. Furthermore, a large variety of people can often participate in tactics such as targeted boycotts without sacrificing their family earnings and without fearing that they will be arrested. Most importantly, such boycotts can still be highly disruptive to a regime.

These are just a few examples of diverse tactics that a movement can choose. There are many more. In 1973, the scholar Gene Sharp identified 198 different methods of nonviolent action. Since that time, hundreds more have been created, because nonviolent resistance is incredibly adaptable and creative. From large scale mobilizations such as strikes, boycotts, and demonstrations; to capacity building actions such as the creation of new organizations (social services, labor, educational, and so forth); to smaller scale actions such as the active recruitment by the opposition of a regime supporter’s friends and family; nonviolent movements have found ways to build their capacity, make their voices heard, and exert power on their adversaries. Regardless of short-term developments tomorrow, next week or next month, the Egyptian opposition’s use of diverse and innovative tactics, which are targeted for maximum impact, will enable it to open new fronts in its struggle, and sustain the kind of pressure that is needed to consolidate gains throughout the transition process.

** This is a statement from the youth leadership of the protesters.

http://bikyamasr.com/wordpress/?p=25584

Very true and well said. Good to see they know what they're doing.


Also, today a Muslim Brotherhood leader has announced that the group has no plans to present a presidential candidate or be part of any coalition government in the future.

[mwinyi]

Originally Posted by Montrealers

Mubarak Family May Have as Much as Billion Stashed Away, Experts Estimate


http://abcnews.go.com/Business/egypt...2821073&page=2



Many others will be brought in justice

I heard this but am not 100% sure if I believe it as this would be more than Bill Gates... Bill's is in stock options etc and subject to market volitivity, whereas Mubarak's would be in cash and artefacts.

Still Egypt's GDP is about 180bn, so he would have only been taking 1% per annum for 30 years so I guess it could be possible.

[constipation]

latest..

Report: Gas pipeline ablaze in Egypt in suspected terrorist attack

from http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/af...ex.html?hpt=T2

(CNN) -- A gas pipeline was set on fire in the Egyptian Sinai town of El Arish Saturday in a suspected terrorist attack, the country's state media reported.
State-run Nile TV described it as "one of the main gas pipelines" there. The state-run MENA news agency said it was a suspected terrorist attack.
The governor of Sinai told Nile TV that the fire was a sabotage attempt. Flames were under control, he said, and firefighters were working to extinguish the blaze.
On Friday a government official told CNN a rocket-propelled grenade was fired at state security headquarters in El Arish.
The official, who asked not to be named because he is not authorized to speak about the incident, said the strike caused a fire but there were no casualties.

p/s: Is it Mr Mubarak is up to something? I dont know.. someone are trying to destroy Egypt economy, i guess..

[Vucko]

what's this about I hear about tanks being used against the protesters?

[egypt69]

BREAKING:

Hosni Mubarak, Gamal Mubarak and Safwat El Sharif have all resigned from the Ruling
National Democratic Party.

[egypt69]

No need for Celebration...^he might as well have quit as head of a local golf club, he's still president.

This shows Mubarak is working on his party and not the constitution, ^he still wants it to stay in power. He's not making progress, or the concessions ^he promised.

[Azmat]

Is this good news or bad news?

[xAbd0o]

what do you reckon?

According to the law if I'm not mistaken. you cant run for presidency if you are not in a party unless you get certain votes from people in the parliament say okay let him run. and you need to be part of a party for a year to be eligible to run. so what do ya think?

[xAbd0o]

Originally Posted by Montrealers

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You took it off ma twitter