Egypt's 25th of January Revolution

[xAbd0o]

Originally Posted by egypt69

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news...i-constitution

Who the hell does he think he is?

Article 2 of the constitution MUST be amended. It's just as bad as 76 and 77 and the similar ones.

Having a "religion of the state" is OUTRAGEOUS We are a multi-faith country, and everyone's rights and freedoms must be preserved. Who cares about religion, when we're all Egyptian?



http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news...ypts-diversity

I also agree, I'm not happy AT ALL with the Constitutional Committee. Especially the former Muslim Brotherhood member in it



http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news...hes-revolution

See! They're not asking to form a "Christian Party" why the hell should there be an "Islamic Party" to impose their barbaric stone age views on us?

We need to keep the constitutional article which bans any party based on religion.

My entire family will definitely be voting for the party that wants to establish a secular and democratic state based on the principles of citizenship, liberalism and religious freedom.

A secular Egypt should be the only Egypt. And I'm going to do everything I can in life to make sure Egypt is secular.

and who are you to say that may I ask? See you want freedom in Egypt but you still dont do with it. He is free tosay what he want the people are free to do what they want.

you sounded arrogant no offense but away from my personal view who said that what you said is the right and the rest is wrong?

[Montrealers]

NASA to honor Tahrir Square martyr by putting name on spacecraft
Ali Zalat

Essam Mohamed Haji, a young researcher at the US National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), said that he had received approval from NASA to put Sally Zahran's name on a spacecraft that will head for Mars.

Sally Zahran was mercilessly clubbed to death during the recent Tahrir Square demonstrations. Haji said in a telephone call from his office in California that it was a tradition of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory to write the names of notable people on spacecraft at the request of NASA staff members or US citizens.

Haji said he had requested that Zahran's name be emblazoned on the spacecraft to honor the young woman's courage.

“This is the least we could do for Egypt's youth and the revolutionaries. This step represents the transfer of the dreams of Egyptian young people from a small stretch of earth to the enormous expanse of space,” Haji told Al-Masry Al-Youm.

Haji added that "standing in Tahrir is like setting foot upon the moon." He likened those standing in the hard-fought square--a central site of Egypt's recent protests--to the first man who set foot upon the moon. He said both had been started by a dream and had changed the world's views on human potential.

“Today, millions of young people are taking the first steps on the path to freedom with the same courage with which Armstrong stepped upon the moon for the first time. These young people have been subject to marginalization, alienation and repression for over than 30 years. The role of security agents was to protect only the elite while employing repression against the poor,” said Haji.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news...ame-spacecraft

[Montrealers]

By eliminating many important figures from the revolution like zeweil and barad3ei..plus others..and by choosing who to write the new constitution reform and who don't..we are already loosing our full demands in the drain here..who can assure me right now that those old figures -who used to be the regime puppets b4- aren't still just a front face for the tyrant group and his allies..

[MASRI]

As Egypt69 already expressed, the committee formed by the army is quite bizzare in a sense that it includes a few people who have been involved with the Brotherhood or as Omar Sulieman puts it the Brother Muslimhood. Anyways, I totally agree that amending the second article of the consitution is absolutely critical to insure equality, unfortunately, with this committee in place, we will not see that happen. Actually, the same would be said about ANY chosen committee; no one wants to be driven into another crisis at the moment, and amending article #2 will fuel anger. However, that said, the constiution must clearly indicate that any political group formed on the basis of religion is unwelcomed, and illegal. If the Muslim Brotherhood want to enter the political scene as legitmate partner in reforming Egypt, they will have to begin by reforming their own group.

I'm both optimistic, and sceptic. Really do not know what to expect at the moment; however, I think the Army has reiterated that they want to guarantee a transition to DEMOCRACY. I hope they deliever on their promise.

EDIT: The committee also includes one Copt btw. It isn't an MB feast afterall.

[Montrealers]

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[MASRI]

I can't see the pics you posted.

[Montrealers]

By eliminating many important figures from the revolution like zeweil and barad3ei..plus others..and by choosing who to write the new constitution reform and who don't..we are already loosing our full demands in the drain here..who can assure me right now that those old figures -who used to be the regime puppets b4- aren't still just a front face for the tyrant group and his allies..

[Montrealers]

PM on Egypt: Israel must ‘prepare for worst’

By HERB KEINON
02/17/2011 01:09

Netanyahu says leaders and policy-makers around the world must be alerted of possible dangers that may lie ahead.

Israel shares the world’s hopes that Egypt will succeed in its quest for genuine reform, but unlike other democracies it cannot just hope for the best, but must prepare for the worst, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu said on Wednesday.

Speaking to the annual Jerusalem meeting of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, Netanyahu said that part of preparing for the worst was “to alert leaders and policy-makers around the world of possible dangers that may lie ahead, not because I want them to materialize – I don’t – but because I have a responsibility to do whatever I can to increase the chances that they don’t materialize.”

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With these words the prime minister was taking on criticism articulated in recent days – most notably by New York Times columnists Thomas Friedman and Roger Cohen – that Israel has been on the wrong side of history in not fervently applauding the recent events in Cairo.

“No one knows what the future in Egypt will bring,” Netanyahu said. “People in Washington don’t know, and people in Tehran don’t know, and – this may be hard for some of you – but even columnists in The New York Times don’t know.”

Netanyahu said that while changing the status quo led to a much better situation in Europe in 1989 with the collapse of the Iron Curtain, the same cannot be said of the Russian Revolution in 1917, or the Iranian revolution in 1979.

Even more recently, he said, most of the world applauded the Cedar Revolution in Lebanon in 2005. But just a few years later, Hezbollah – “a terror organization that respects no human rights, that crushes human rights into the dust” – has taken over the country.

Ultimately, the Egyptians themselves will determine their own fate, Netanyahu said, “but Israel cannot profess neutrality about the outcome, because above all, we want the future Egyptian government to remain committed to peace with Israel.”



Netanyahu said he wanted “every single Egyptian” to know that Israel was committed to peace with them and the country’s other neighbors. Two-thirds of Egyptians, around 50 million people, were born after the 1979 peace agreement and don’t remember what life was like before the agreement was signed, he said. All of Israel’s neighbors should value what the peace agreement contributed to Israel and Egypt, the prime minister added.


“I have no doubt that maintaining the peace, deepening it, is in the interest of Egypt, and I hope this will accompany the Egyptian effort to achieve a free and democratic society as they pursue their reform,” he said. “While we wish the Egyptian people full success as they seek to forge a new future, we make no apologies for our fervent hope that they remain committed to peace.”

Netanyahu said that in recent weeks a number of accepted truths had been shattered, including that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was the central problem in the region. The US diplomatic cables published by WikiLeaks showed that the main concern of Arab governments was not Israel and the Palestinians, but Iran, while the protests currently rocking the Arab world showed that the main problem bothering the Arab masses was the quality of their own lives, and not the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

But, he said, “There are still those for whom the centrality of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to the region, and in fact to the world, is nothing less than an article of faith, and there is no evidence that these true believers will not ignore. But many fair-minded, objective observers are beginning to recognize reality.”

Last week, James Jones, US President Barack Obama’s recently retired national security adviser, said that the Palestinian-Israeli conflict remained the most important problem in the region, if not the world.

Even as much of the conventional wisdom regarding the region was falling by the wayside, Netanyahu said there was still “one truth that has yet to emerge: that it is not Israel that does not wish to advance negotiations to secure the final peace with the Palestinians, it is the Palestinians. They don’t want to negotiate. I hope that changes.”

Speaking just before Netanyahu, US Ambassador James Cunningham – seemingly trying to tame Israeli jitters over the American response to the crisis in Egypt – said the US was “not naive” about the emerging situation in Egypt, was “not in retreat, and does not underestimate the difficulties.”

Acknowledging that there has been “understandable concern” in the region about the “constancy” of American policy, “we have not abandoned our allies,” Cunningham said.

The ambassador also pledged that the Obama administration’s “dedication to Israel’s security and legitimacy will remain unshaken as we move through the weeks and months ahead.”

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPol...aspx?id=208568

[MASRI]

I like how Israel speaks like Sinai was originally theirs and they "gave it up" to us through the Camp David Peace Treaty. They have to stop their useless threats, because we are rebuilding our damn country, and they should go clean up their mess and the blood on their hands away from our land.

Sinai is Egyptian land, with or without Camp David. Even if it was breached (since it technically is; we have army forces in Sinai), they have no right to attack Egyptian soil. Always looking for trouble those bastards (Netenyahu and company).

[Azmat]

Instead of embracing the change in Egypt he's opposing the inevitable. He will not be on Egypt's good side after all this (I hope).

[xAbd0o]

Loool at isreal, fe mathal by2ol, te5af men el 3afret yetla3lek. They talk too much about it they shouldn't be surprised if something really bad will happen

Thinking about it no one care they brought it up and reminded everyone they are building their grave by there own hands!

[egypt69]

Originally Posted by Azmat

If they're going to make Islam the state religion they should make Coptic Christianity one too.

There should be no such things as a state religion IMO, not Islam, not Christianity not nothing.

Religion is a PERSONAL thing. It doesn't leave a person's hour, or the Mosque or Church, or the respective place of worship.

Why should it be involved in Government?

Originally Posted by xAbd0o

and who are you to say that may I ask? See you want freedom in Egypt but you still dont do with it. He is free tosay what he want the people are free to do what they want.

you sounded arrogant no offense but away from my personal view who said that what you said is the right and the rest is wrong?

How is what I'm saying "not free" or "wrong" ?

I want a secular state which respects the rights and freedoms of all Egyptians, and guarantees equality amongst all Egyptians, no matter what their religion is.

An Islamic state, or Sharia law violates not only some humanitarian/international laws and conventions, but it also will discriminate against non-muslims, minorities and women, all of which are just as Egyptian, and deserve just the same rights and freedoms.

That is my view anyway. I would vote for a liberal, secular, and progressive party. If you want to vote for the Muslim Brotherhood, you can, it's not my business. But I personally think they shouldn't be allowed to exist in the first place. And it's great that if we develop a democratic system, I and any other Egyptian who has the beliefs I do, will be able to take them down through the power of the vote.

[egypt69]

Originally Posted by Montrealers

PM on Egypt: Israel must ‘prepare for worst’


http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPol...aspx?id=208568

It actually pleases me to see them afraid. Now they know very well that they can't rely on their old puppet Mubarak for everything, and they can't get away with everything they want. And they would have to really start making fair concessions regarding the Palestinian cause, because Egypt won't be so lenient anymore.

[Montrealers]

Originally Posted by egypt69

It actually pleases me to see them afraid. Now they know very well that they can't rely on their old puppet Mubarak for everything, and they can't get away with everything they want. And they would have to really start making fair concessions regarding the Palestinian cause, because Egypt won't be so lenient anymore.

Jerusalem for Palestine

[egypt69]

Originally Posted by Montrealers

Jerusalem for Palestine

I'm afraid that is near impossible to happen. It's just too much of a request. Events in recent history have gone to far too be undone that much.

I think a more reasonable proposal would be splitting Jerusalem.

[Montrealers]

Seen via Al Masreya. EU agreed to freeze Mobarak assets

[Montrealers]

How true is it? Bank statement of Mobarak leaked
http://misrdigital.blogspirit.com/ar...old-in-uk.html

[mwinyi]

I started a thread asking about on goings in Barhain at SSC forum those guys kept deleting it...is that the mentality in Bahrain or what?

Fuck I'm not from Masr but this is how i feel like:

[Montrealers]

Originally Posted by mwinyi

I started a thread asking about on goings in Barhain at SSC forum those guys kept deleting it...is that the mentality in Bahrain or what?

Fuck I'm not from Masr but this is how i feel like:

Cause you're asking to a country which the main power is Sunnite and people who are protesting are Shiite which separates opinions and yeah.... That's what i call ''walk like an egyptian''

[NorthPole]

Originally Posted by Montrealers

Jerusalem for Palestine

You would trade Jerusalem in exchange for Palestine or what? And Palestine/Jerusalem for whom?

Originally Posted by egypt69

[...]
I think a more reasonable proposal would be splitting Jerusalem.

Yep. It would be restoring of both pre-war status quo and international obligations.
The only question is "will it be Jerusalem and East Jerusalem or Jerusalem and al-Quds al-Sharif"?