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Old September 12th, 2014, 07:57 PM   #301
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Yikes. Those are bumming me out, very cheap looking. I would think Bjarke wouldn't be very happy about this... but then, he did Instagram the facade going up.

Do any architects include penalties in their contracts for developers not using their designated materials or otherwise value engineering their designs? If I was Bjarke, I would want some kind of compensation for the cheapening of a design that bears my name. Ultimately, the architect is going to get bandied about as a marketing tool for the building, so they should have some leverage...
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Old September 12th, 2014, 08:56 PM   #302
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It still doesn't show those hideous white plastic frames.
because that is a different angle. Why the heck does everyone throw out the term value engineering so frequently?





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Old September 12th, 2014, 09:13 PM   #303
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This...


...looks very different from this...


Not only because of the color of the windows, but the more obvious "value engineering" giveaway, the seams in the facade panels.
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Old September 12th, 2014, 09:21 PM   #304
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such is the difference between a computer rendering and reality. I doubt there's any value engineering involved.
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Old September 12th, 2014, 09:34 PM   #305
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Wait a second..... The balconies are scrapped??
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Old September 12th, 2014, 10:26 PM   #306
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The frames are a dark grey in the render, but reality shows white plastic frames.
I hope as well that it is just a white tape covering the real frames.
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Old September 13th, 2014, 02:28 AM   #307
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Do any architects include penalties in their contracts for developers not using their designated materials or otherwise value engineering their designs? If I was Bjarke, I would want some kind of compensation for the cheapening of a design that bears my name. Ultimately, the architect is going to get bandied about as a marketing tool for the building, so they should have some leverage...
No, and good luck attracting clients as an architect if you go this route. This is (unfortunately) the life of an architect. You don't control the purse strings so ultimately the developer is the one who makes the call on the type of enclosure used. The best you can do is try to sell the client on why they should use certain glazing vs. another. I work for a pretty large architecture firm, so have first hand experience with this...
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Old September 13th, 2014, 02:56 AM   #308
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Short-term thinking is really dangerous in architecture. You cheapen out and have an eyesore for decades, instead of spending money of a higher quality material and holding the bragging rights of having nice building.
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Old September 13th, 2014, 03:39 AM   #309
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No, and good luck attracting clients as an architect if you go this route.
Yeah that's kind of what I was thinking, you'd alienate a lot of business. I would just think that the top "starchitects" (the Gehrys, Vińolys, Hadids and Ingels of the world) might be able to make those kind of demands. After all, the finished products are their calling card around the world, so if they're credited with something that looks worse than intended because a developer cheaped out, doesn't it hurt their brand?

Anyway, I'm sure the Pyramid will look fine, but I will admit that the discrepancy between the renders of the North side and the real world result is a little disappointing. That was my favorite part of the whole design.
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Old September 13th, 2014, 05:25 AM   #310
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This...


...looks very different from this...


Not only because of the color of the windows, but the more obvious "value engineering" giveaway, the seams in the facade panels.
I really don't see how the renders look much different than the actual building.
Were it the same angle and the same lighting, it would actually look the same.
But I'll wait for it to be more fully cladded to make a fair judgement.
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Old September 13th, 2014, 10:19 AM   #311
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It's for reasons like this that Calatrava's buildings tend to end up as hot messes.

Personally I don't think the windows look all that bad...though this makes me a bit nervous about how the curved part will end up. At least from a distance it will look amazing no matter what thanks to its distinctive shape.
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Old September 13th, 2014, 12:33 PM   #312
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Cladding design BIG_Bjarke Ingels

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Old September 14th, 2014, 09:03 PM   #313
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Alucobond ruins the whole building.
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Alucobond ruins the whole building.
Yes, worst cladding ever, especially in Eastern Europe where they have it on every new building
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Yes, worst cladding ever, especially in Eastern Europe where they have it on every new building
It's as if they recieved counselling from various Romanian experts.
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Old September 15th, 2014, 02:08 AM   #316
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Yes, worst cladding ever, especially in Eastern Europe where they have it on every new building
Ehm, Poland is considered as eastern Europe (tho it is actually central) and we pretty rarerly see this kind of cladding on new buildings

Anyway you can do pretty nice facade with it if you can, I've seen a lot of nice examples even in western Europe.
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Old September 15th, 2014, 02:57 AM   #317
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It's more in South East Europe.

Also, thick white frames also seem to be so popular here, just like this building has right now
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Old September 15th, 2014, 07:33 PM   #318
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New photo.

It's close to being T/O.


http://instagram.com/bjarkeingels
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Old September 15th, 2014, 08:53 PM   #319
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From the man Iwan Baan himself:



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Old September 15th, 2014, 09:15 PM   #320
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New photo.

It's close to being T/O.
http://instagram.com/bjarkeingels
This thing is sure is rising fast!

I would say that this is half way up for topping. The tower behind the Pyramid is 601 W 57th street and it’s 400’ tall.

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