Capitol Hill Projects - Page 3

CityView Jim · March 23rd, 2011, 04:16 PM

Oh, and if I'm not mistaken, the crane for this project went up yesterday? Didn't drive by, but my view suggests the new crane I see is there.

RamsayHank · March 24th, 2011, 12:16 AM

Yup. I can see it from my window.

bgwah · April 1st, 2011, 01:25 AM

Am I the only one a little disappointed to see ~7 story proposals for the Capitol Hill TOD? A whole block with what is essentially a subway station? Build something taller!

In fact, just go ahead and re-zone Capitol Hill for high-rises while we're at it...

*hides*

CityView Jim · April 1st, 2011, 03:02 AM

Not sure we really need hi-rise residential in already the densest populated neighborhood that has no real job base.

bgwah · April 1st, 2011, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CityView Jim

Not sure we really need hi-rise residential in already the densest populated neighborhood that has no real job base.

Obviously the intention would be for them to take the underground light rail line that connects to job centers like downtown and the university.

meku · April 1st, 2011, 04:26 AM

Although I wouldn't mind seeing taller buildings along Broadway and maybe closer down to I-5, I won't necessarily cry if that vision doesn't come to fruition. Like Cityview Jim said, it's already the densest neighborhood - not only that, it has a great number of mid-rise buildings representing different architectural styles which could easily be torn down if a broader rezone is introduced thus displacing a lot of folks who otherwise couldn't afford to live close to Downtown.

I'm not saying no to a rezone and taller buildings on capitol hill, I just think there are other neighborhoods that could benefit more from a rezone and densification at the moment (UD, SLU, LQA or Yesler Terrace!).

And it's not like a 40-story skinny tower would have fit a lot more apartments than the proposed 7-story development.

alexjonlin · April 1st, 2011, 04:36 AM

I definitely think the construction/staging areas should be zoned for at least 16 stories, but that's probably not gonna happen... And I mean, just because it's already our densest neighborhood doesn't mean it wouldn't be better if it were denser. We'll see what happens though, I bet it'll be limited to 8 stories...

InlandEmpire · April 1st, 2011, 05:23 AM

7 stories is not bad....look at Portland, not a lot of really tall developments, but a great cityscape. A lot depends on design. From a pedestrian perspective, much over 5 floors is irrelevant and it has more to do with street level interaction. Cap Hill is and will be more dense than most places in the Northwest.

I see the old Bailey-Coy books site on Broadway finally has a couple of tenants moving in; one noodle joint (ugh) and a tobacco/cigar type shop. Glad to see that gap filled.

Joule has Saizen Sushi and Blue Moon Burgers moving in along with Qdoba (rumored to already be on the chopping block) and MOD Pizza. Broadway is still bustling.

SteveM · April 1st, 2011, 07:53 PM

It seems unlikely that significantly upzoning Capitol Hill would add a ton of density and it runs the risk of fostering an anti-development backlash. Definitely low priority in my book.

That said, I'd definitely support some kind of across-the-board principle where height and density get given away in exchange for public benefits. Some of this exists with the affordable housing-height rules already, but I'd like to see the principle expanded.

bgwah · April 1st, 2011, 08:04 PM

I was envisioning closer to 15-20 stories, though I wouldn't be opposed to 40... :P It seems like there are already a number of older buildings closer to 10 stories (I haven't actually counted) in the neighborhood, why not more of that at least? I definitely think something taller should be allowed at the station, though.

CityView Jim · April 1st, 2011, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InlandEmpire

7 stories is not bad....look at Portland, not a lot of really tall developments, but a great cityscape. A lot depends on design. From a pedestrian perspective, much over 5 floors is irrelevant and it has more to do with street level interaction. Cap Hill is and will be more dense than most places in the Northwest.

I see the old Bailey-Coy books site on Broadway finally has a couple of tenants moving in; one noodle joint (ugh) and a tobacco/cigar type shop. Glad to see that gap filled.

Joule has Saizen Sushi and Blue Moon Burgers moving in along with Qdoba (rumored to already be on the chopping block) and MOD Pizza. Broadway is still bustling.

Q*Doba on the chopping block already?! Where'd that rumor come from and why I wonder?

meku · April 1st, 2011, 09:39 PM

Weird, there's always at least a couple people there when I pass.

CrazyAboutCities · April 1st, 2011, 10:58 PM

I can see some high rise residential buildings to be built next to I-5 which make more sense since it is much closer to downtown Seattle. I am not really see any high rise residential buildings would get built on Broadway or around it. If developers ever proposes it, I won't complain.

WESTSEATTLEGUY · April 1st, 2011, 11:12 PM

I think an up zone of 200' along the pine-pike corridor till 12th st. then down to SU's campus would be perfect.

meku · April 1st, 2011, 11:56 PM

Pike/Pine is one of the few interesting corridors with unique character left in this city. Small-scale infill like the 1111. E Pike, or Agnes Lofts would be perfect for the area in my opinion.

bgwah · April 2nd, 2011, 02:12 AM

Interesting to see a couple of you mention "near I-5," since it seems to me like that area is fully developed.

mhays · April 2nd, 2011, 02:22 AM

I can imagine building 12-story stuff around the station and along Broadway going south. Not rezoning a large area necessarily. Put density near the station but don't disrupt.

InlandEmpire · April 2nd, 2011, 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityView Jim

Q*Doba on the chopping block already?! Where'd that rumor come from and why I wonder?

Eh, that claim came from one of the managers of the location who was being transferred to an Issaquah locale because of impending closure. I wonder with the influx of new restaurants next door if it won't help attract more food traffic and get more people through the door.

...I'm not at all opposed to high rises on the hill....it wouldn't be any different than the build-out plans for Yesler Terrace really as far as obstructing any views or whatever. Just saying they aren't completely necessary for the area to add people.

meku · April 2nd, 2011, 03:14 AM

Speaking of Capitol Hill, 230 Broadway project just got a fence !

bgwah · April 2nd, 2011, 06:07 AM

http://via-architecture.blogspot.com...an-design.html

I thought this was kind of an interesting "What if?" scenario regarding the station's TOD. This isn't the first time I've read about some sort of signature skyscraper for the block.

The author mentions the Turning Torso in Malmo as a signature high-rise in a low-rise neighborhood. Another good example might be Confucious Plaza in Manhattan's Chinatown.

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March 24th, 2011, 12:16 AM	#42
RamsayHank Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 9 Likes (Received): 0	Yup. I can see it from my window.

April 1st, 2011, 01:25 AM	#43
bgwah honk!!! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,778 Likes (Received): 81	Am I the only one a little disappointed to see ~7 story proposals for the Capitol Hill TOD? A whole block with what is essentially a subway station? Build something taller! In fact, just go ahead and re-zone Capitol Hill for high-rises while we're at it... hides

April 1st, 2011, 03:02 AM	#44
CityView Jim Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,039 Likes (Received): 79	Not sure we really need hi-rise residential in already the densest populated neighborhood that has no real job base.

April 1st, 2011, 04:26 AM	#46
meku Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 994 Likes (Received): 18	Although I wouldn't mind seeing taller buildings along Broadway and maybe closer down to I-5, I won't necessarily cry if that vision doesn't come to fruition. Like Cityview Jim said, it's already the densest neighborhood - not only that, it has a great number of mid-rise buildings representing different architectural styles which could easily be torn down if a broader rezone is introduced thus displacing a lot of folks who otherwise couldn't afford to live close to Downtown. I'm not saying no to a rezone and taller buildings on capitol hill, I just think there are other neighborhoods that could benefit more from a rezone and densification at the moment (UD, SLU, LQA or Yesler Terrace!). And it's not like a 40-story skinny tower would have fit a lot more apartments than the proposed 7-story development.

April 1st, 2011, 04:36 AM	#47
alexjonlin Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,284 Likes (Received): 89	I definitely think the construction/staging areas should be zoned for at least 16 stories, but that's probably not gonna happen... And I mean, just because it's already our densest neighborhood doesn't mean it wouldn't be better if it were denser. We'll see what happens though, I bet it'll be limited to 8 stories...

April 1st, 2011, 05:23 AM	#48
InlandEmpire Mixologist Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 197 Likes (Received): 0	7 stories is not bad....look at Portland, not a lot of really tall developments, but a great cityscape. A lot depends on design. From a pedestrian perspective, much over 5 floors is irrelevant and it has more to do with street level interaction. Cap Hill is and will be more dense than most places in the Northwest. I see the old Bailey-Coy books site on Broadway finally has a couple of tenants moving in; one noodle joint (ugh) and a tobacco/cigar type shop. Glad to see that gap filled. Joule has Saizen Sushi and Blue Moon Burgers moving in along with Qdoba (rumored to already be on the chopping block) and MOD Pizza. Broadway is still bustling.

April 1st, 2011, 07:53 PM	#49
SteveM Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 483 Likes (Received): 3	It seems unlikely that significantly upzoning Capitol Hill would add a ton of density and it runs the risk of fostering an anti-development backlash. Definitely low priority in my book. That said, I'd definitely support some kind of across-the-board principle where height and density get given away in exchange for public benefits. Some of this exists with the affordable housing-height rules already, but I'd like to see the principle expanded.

April 1st, 2011, 08:04 PM	#50
bgwah honk!!! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,778 Likes (Received): 81	I was envisioning closer to 15-20 stories, though I wouldn't be opposed to 40... :P It seems like there are already a number of older buildings closer to 10 stories (I haven't actually counted) in the neighborhood, why not more of that at least? I definitely think something taller should be allowed at the station, though.

April 1st, 2011, 09:39 PM	#52
meku Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 994 Likes (Received): 18	Weird, there's always at least a couple people there when I pass.

April 1st, 2011, 10:58 PM	#53
CrazyAboutCities Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 8,348 Likes (Received): 25	I can see some high rise residential buildings to be built next to I-5 which make more sense since it is much closer to downtown Seattle. I am not really see any high rise residential buildings would get built on Broadway or around it. If developers ever proposes it, I won't complain.

April 1st, 2011, 11:12 PM	#54
WESTSEATTLEGUY Here Join Date: May 2007 Location: Seattle/Chicago Posts: 2,017 Likes (Received): 7	I think an up zone of 200' along the pine-pike corridor till 12th st. then down to SU's campus would be perfect.

April 1st, 2011, 11:56 PM	#55
meku Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 994 Likes (Received): 18	Pike/Pine is one of the few interesting corridors with unique character left in this city. Small-scale infill like the 1111. E Pike, or Agnes Lofts would be perfect for the area in my opinion.

April 2nd, 2011, 02:12 AM	#56
bgwah honk!!! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,778 Likes (Received): 81	Interesting to see a couple of you mention "near I-5," since it seems to me like that area is fully developed.

April 2nd, 2011, 02:22 AM	#57
mhays Journeyman Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 8,463 Likes (Received): 125	I can imagine building 12-story stuff around the station and along Broadway going south. Not rezoning a large area necessarily. Put density near the station but don't disrupt.

April 2nd, 2011, 03:14 AM	#59
meku Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 994 Likes (Received): 18	Speaking of Capitol Hill, 230 Broadway project just got a fence !

April 2nd, 2011, 06:07 AM	#60
bgwah honk!!! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,778 Likes (Received): 81	http://via-architecture.blogspot.com...an-design.html I thought this was kind of an interesting "What if?" scenario regarding the station's TOD. This isn't the first time I've read about some sort of signature skyscraper for the block. The author mentions the Turning Torso in Malmo as a signature high-rise in a low-rise neighborhood. Another good example might be Confucious Plaza in Manhattan's Chinatown.