PARIS - Arena 92 (32,000)

[parcdesprinces]

Originally Posted by IronMan89

Between 40 ans 48 meters high

32 meters !

Précision de Patrick Jarry : "dès le départ, ce projet s’est vu imposer une hauteur maximale de 32 mètres, soit celle des immeubles des Terrasses, afin de préserver l’esprit du lieu et ne pas perturber la vue depuis l’Arche. L’immeuble de logements à côté de l’Arena respectera aussi cette hauteur maximale."

Partick Jarry, Mayor of Nanterre (debat-arena-nanterre.fr)


For example, the Stade de France is 46m high from the pitch to the top of roof (masts excluded), and 35m high from the esplanade..so 40-48m would have been a bit too tall for a 32k stadium.

[Axelferis]

1 m= 1k seats

[IronMan89]

Not in Lille 38m => 50K

[koolio]

This stadium seems to be having an identity crisis. What exactly are they looking to build here? It seems as if they are looking to build some sort of stadium/arena hybrid ("Arena" being the North American definition) but to be honest, I don't think that is a feasible idea. I have yet to see anyone do it properly in the world. I think they should just build a traditional stadium with a retractable roof so that the stadium can host other events during non-game days. In one of the renders, they are showing a concert going on at the same time as a game or something ... I think they are being a bit naive and don't fully recognize the logistical and technical issues associated with running a multi-event facility.

[parcdesprinces]

Originally Posted by koolio

This stadium seems to be having an identity crisis.

Nope, It's just the biggest and most advanced rugby(union)-specific stadium ever built in our EuropeWorld () by a Club.....

Originally Posted by koolio

"Arena" being the North American definition

In France, (and also in Germany, Italy, Britain, Ireland, Poland, Holland, Ukraine, Switzerland, Finland, Turkey, Austria, Sweden, Norway, Russia, Denmark etc etc etc etc) "Arena" means: Stadium and/or eventually covered stadium/dome/sports hall.... Nothing more !

Originally Posted by koolio

I think they should just build a traditional stadium with a retractable roof so that the stadium can host other events during non-game days

Yeah.. That's exactly the purpose of this Stadium/Aréna... But, thanks for the advise.

Originally Posted by koolio

In one of the renders, they are showing a concert going on at the same time as a game or something ...

.. It was simply a render from the pre-project designed by the club.... (see post #1 for more info.)

Originally Posted by koolio

I think they are being a bit naive and don't fully recognize the logistical and technical issues associated with running a multi-event facility.

Well... Thanks again to share your (enlightened) opinion... But I think you don't know this project very well: The multi-billionaire owner of the club & his private partners won't going to spend millions of € for "the beauty of the game"...... They're not as stupid/naive as you want to believe (even if they are French )..........

And BTW France is not that bad regarding "multi-purpose" venues: Stade de France with its movable tiers over the running track, Lille stadium with its sports hall below the football/rugby pitch, Bercy opened 1984 (which still has a velodrome track under the stands), Stade Olympique de Montréal (designed by a French architect) which was the very first stadium in the world with a retractable roof, etc etc

[Slam321]

A thing I don't understand in this arena. Why they make a big wall and not glasses between stadium and offices, restaurants, shops... That was impossible?

[IronMan89]

I wonder the same....

Maybe we should email Christian Portzamparc It would be a huge upgrade for the stadium.

[koolio]

Originally Posted by parcdesprinces

Nope, It's just the biggest and most advanced rugby(union)-specific stadium ever built in our EuropeWorld () by a Club.....


In France, (and also in Germany, Italy, Britain, Ireland, Poland, Holland, Ukraine, Switzerland, Finland, Turkey, Austria, Sweden, Norway, Russia, Denmark etc etc etc etc) "Arena" means: Stadium and/or eventually covered stadium/dome/sports hall.... Nothing more !


Yeah.. That's exactly the purpose of this Stadium/Aréna... But, thanks for the advise.



.. It was simply a render from the pre-project designed by the club.... (see post #1 for more info.)




Well... Thanks again to share your (enlightened) opinion... But I think you don't know this project very well: The multi-billionaire owner of the club & his private partners won't going to spend millions of € for "the beauty of the game"...... They're not as stupid/naive as you want to believe (even if they are French )..........

And BTW France is not that bad regarding "multi-purpose" venues: Stade de France with its movable tiers over the running track, Lille stadium with its sports hall below the football/rugby pitch, Bercy opened 1984 (which still has a velodrome track under the stands), Stade Olympique de Montréal (designed by a French architect) which was the very first stadium in the world with a retractable roof, etc etc

Well the French architect failed miserably at making Stade Olympique in Montreal considering that the retractable roof was extremely poorly designed and rarely worked; so the first stadium with a working retractable roof was actually made by a Canadian architect when the Skydome opened in Toronto. Not that I was questioning French competence in the first place but you seem kinda adamant about proving their worth.

Either way, my point was that too much is being asked of this project. The end with no stands might make it easier to hold concerts and house offices but it will be an eye sore for the primary tenant, which is the rugby club. I realize that they probably won't be able to secure enough funding to build a new stadium like this if they don't hold many other events or house offices but I do not like to stadiums in which design elements are compromised at the expense of the main host. Here in North America, many soccer teams left an end without a stand so that they could host concerts and other events very easily but the players don't like it and it killed the atmosphere on game-days.

[matts67]

Originally Posted by koolio

Either way, my point was that too much is being asked of this project. The end with no stands might make it easier to hold concerts and house offices but it will be an eye sore for the primary tenant, which is the rugby club.

It's too early to say. You might be right, but only time will be able to tell it. But do not forget that this stadium is situated in La Defense district, which makes the presence of offices inside the stadium less "weird". Concerning the fact that lacking a stand behind one goal could affect the atmosphere during games, again, we'll see. I was that mind too when I first saw the stadium renders, but the presence of (at least!) a small stand before the goal and the very large screen on the wall made me change my mind a little bit.

What I would have suggested if I was the architect, would have been either to put a huge screen on the entire wall (there's enough place!) or to put VIP suites connected to the offices section behind the wall. That would have helped to make the stadium look more "finished" and would have been a little bit more original....

[parcdesprinces]

Originally Posted by Slam321

Why they make a big wall and not glasses between stadium and offices

Simply because, like at the Lille stadium, natural light is not really welcome for the indoor arena/concert hall configuration.... (that's also why the Arena 92 will be equipped with artificial turf)

Originally Posted by Slam321

restaurants, shops...

Only the office spaces are located at the north end of the stadium (behind the wall/huuuge video screen )

The shops and most of the entertainment areas + one of the restaurants (the Racing brasserie actually ), will be located at street level, all around the stadium (except the north facade)...

[Axelferis]

you said the rich owner & partner? who own this club?

PS: artificial grass is too bad for rugby then it won't the prefered place to play for rugbymen... what a paradoxe !!

[koolio]

Artificial turf? Seriously? That would indeed be quite harsh on the rugby players' bodies. Of course now that I look at the renders, it does not seem as if natural grass would be possible to grow in a design that is so enclosed but then again, they could have designed the stadium differently.

[Axelferis]

this stadium begins to show its limit doesn't it ?

[Sacré Coeur]

Originally Posted by Axelferis

you said the rich owner & partner? who own this club?

PS: artificial grass is too bad for rugby then it won't the prefered place to play for rugbymen... what a paradoxe !!

Jacky Lorenzetti, founder of Foncia.

[Axelferis]

he's total owner or representant a pool of shareholders?

[Jericho-79]

@parcdesprinces

Are they going to go ahead with building this new stadium?

Or are they stalling- like the proposed new stadiums in Los Angeles?

[parcdesprinces]

Originally Posted by Axelferis

artificial grass is too bad for rugby then it won't the prefered place to play for rugbymen... what a paradoxe !!

Originally Posted by koolio

Artificial turf? Seriously? That would indeed be quite harsh on the rugby players' bodies.

Actually, the Saracens (English Aviva Premiership) already play on artificial turf, and the French National Rugby Team centre is also equipped with artificial turf, but no-one complained about that until now ... not to mention that the IRB approves this kind of artificial turfs !

Originally Posted by Axelferis

this stadium begins to show its limit doesn't it ?

Only the limit of your knowledge apparently !

Originally Posted by Axelferis

you said the rich owner & partner? who own this club?
.....
he's total owner or representant a pool of shareholders?

Jacky Lorenzetti owns 100% of the Racing-Métro, that's why he wants the club to become independent financially, and actually, it's the first purpose of this new arena which will be 100% owned by the Club and not by Jacky Lorenzetti (according to Lorenzetti himself).

What I meant by "private partners" was the company(ies) which will buy the naming rights + the Club's partners which will rent the office spaces built inside the stadium.


The stadium funding and management are a bit complicated, but here is a short summary:

The Racing Arena company (100% owned by the Racing-Métro) will build, fund and will own the stadium, they'll manage the rugby events/games, they'll rent out the office and commercial spaces, they'll own the restaurants, the Racing Brasserie, the Club-house shop etc, and last but not least, they will sell the naming rights of the stadium.

On the other hand, the Stadôme company (100% owned by Ovalto Investissement: the Lorenzetti's company) will manage the stadium for the concerts and non-rugby events, and will produce these events/concerts.


Here are some details in French about that (extracted from a pdf file published by Stadôme/Ovalto Investissment):

[parcdesprinces]

Originally Posted by Jericho-79

@parcdesprinces

Are they going to go ahead with building this new stadium?

As far as we know, yes they are !
This project began two years ago now, and untill today all the lights are green !

The banks approved the stadium funding since a while; the French government signed the "general interest status" for this stadium last august; the local authorities have voted/approved all the legal/administrative aspects etc; the EPADESA (Public Establishment for the Development of La Défense-Seine-Arche) bought the land in order to support the project, they will let it almost for free to the Racing Arena company; the public inquiries started late 2009 and apparently no-one complains; the building permit is about to be obtained; and the most important: the owner of the club (who runs the project from A to Z, including the funding) can't wait to see his new stadium etc etc

Not to mention that the current stadium where the Racing plays (Stade Olympique Yves du Manoir de Colombes ) is going to be sold to the French Handball Federation, and they already planned to build their new National Handball Arena there, from 2014 ! (tic-tac, tic-tac ).

[Jericho-79]

So will this new stadium be built in Nanterre or Puteaux?

Wikipedia says "Nanterre".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_92

This article says "Puteaux".
http://urbanlabglobalcities.blogspot...r-city-of.html

[IronMan89]

Arena 92 is in Nanterre