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Old January 11th, 2013, 10:49 PM   #401
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True but isn't KLM the only operator of B744 KOMBI? If in fact that is true than a good order from them would justify Boeing going ahead with it. I flew on their KOMBI from LAX. It was nice flying knowing that there are some rare breed horses in the back along with super cars and various Eurospec vehicles that are transported to Downtown L.A. to shoot commercials.

BA must purchase 748s in my opinion. End of discussion on them.

As far as Aeroflot yes, i agree that they will have diverse enough fleet of A330s, coming up 777s, upcoming 787s and 350s. They are studying and actually created a group for research of buying A380s. The reason why i said it is because 748 jumbo would look amazing in SU's livery.

Transaero already signed commitment for 748s. I am not sure if it was turned into firm orders.
KLM isn't the only one operating the B744 combi: EVA Air also operate that aircraft type too, but it is mainly used on high-density short-haul routes from Taipei. But, it'd be very interesting to see KLM operate a B748, especially that it is slowly retiring its final B744s to give way to more B772s and B77Ws.
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Old January 11th, 2013, 10:58 PM   #402
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KLM isn't the only one operating the B744 combi: EVA Air also operate that aircraft type too, but it is mainly used on high-density short-haul routes from Taipei. But, it'd be very interesting to see KLM operate a B748, especially that it is slowly retiring its final B744s to give way to more B772s and B77Ws.
Thanks for the info. Did not know about Eva Air.
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Old January 12th, 2013, 09:48 AM   #403
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There are even more combi's flying around, even Air France and Lufthansa still have them in their fleet. But there's a catch, they have are using them as full pax 744s since the cargo compartment can easily be converted to a passenger compartment and back again. With the new regulations in place this kind of flexibility is not possible anymore since a permanent full fire proof wall has to be placed between the compartments in a possible 747-8 Combi. Together with an increased belly capacity of the new wide body aicraft this rules out many possible orders And if only KLM and maybe Eva Air (questionable since they currently have only 2 in their fleet) as possible airlines that would place an order. I can't see more then 20 orders combined, that's not enough orders for Boeing to pay for the certification.

Boeing has already said on record that they are not offering it, because of the costs and the lack of interest from the industry. Since KLM has decided to replace their 16 combis with the 787-9 an surprise order is basically out of the question.

Btw, KLM still has all their original passenger and combi 744s in it's fleet. The current plans are for a start of retirement of the 744s in 2016, the last ones should leave the fleet in the early 2020s. But that could always happen earlier since the retirement of the MD11's is also going faster then expected.

Since they currently operate the the 6 full pax 747s next to the 7 (soon to be 8) 77Ws, there might still be room for a small order for the 747-8 if they don't want to downsize the number of airfleet in the 400+ passenger category. But an top-up of the 777-300ER or a new order for the next gen 777 or the A350-1000 is also possible. And if they want to go bigger they could even order some A380s, those would even fit better in the combined Air France / KLM fleet then the 747-8.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 03:30 AM   #404
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Swiss International Airlines is considering a 747-8I order to replace its aging a340 fleet. Sounds good to me.

Bigger news is that Saudi Arabian Cargo is supposedly the purchaser of two early frames that were not taken up by Atlas. Line 1429 and 1432 are supposed to deliver to the airline this March. These frames had been sitting around KPAE for a couple years in storage, and have recently undergone or are undergoing refurbishment. 1429 is done, sitting on the flight line, and looks to be approaching a first flight. 1432 is still under the knife having started the process in November of 2012. It still needs engines as well. This is still unconfirmed, but it also sounds good to me, at least blog worthy.
http://747-8.blogspot.com/
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 11:44 PM   #405
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I would like to see KLM's 748.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 05:58 AM   #406
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VQ-BRH
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DSC_3939 by moonm, on Flickr

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http://kpae.blogspot.com/

D-ABYG:
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http://kpae.blogspot.com/

D-ABYH in Fuel Dock:

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Engines assembly on LN1432 RC572 (probably) HZ-AI4 for Saudi Arabian Cargo, (former Atlas):

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LN1429 RC571 (probably) HZ-AI3
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 01:03 PM   #407
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AirBridgeCargo news
There's an article here that goes over everything, but I'll sum it up.

Volga Dnepr, parent company to AirBridgeCargo, who currently operates three 747-8Fs and has two more on order (one of which is ready for delivery), is not doing well. They've lost a lot of money, and are trying to stop the bleeding.

They're not entirely happy with the three 747-8Fs they have, saying they have range issues with the polar routes they want to fly them on. They're currently negotiating with Boeing for compensation and to delay the delivery of the final two frames until they can return some older 747s they have on lease, which should be towards the end of the year. This means line 1463 will probably be parked in the desert for a spell.

I don't really understand their range issue complaints. The 747-8F has a much longer range than most other freighters, definitely much longer than the Antonov AN-124 that Volga Dnepr is so enamored with (so much so that they're planning on restarting the AN-124 production line themselves by 2017). The AN-124 is a cool plane, and it can lift a lot of cargo, but it can't fly nearly the distance of a 747-8F without refueling. Of course, I'm stating all of this with the information I have access to, which might not be entirely accurate in the real world. I imagine Volga Dnepr wouldn't be making these claims if there wasn't some truth to them.

There's talk on airliners.net of line 1469 for NCA also being parked in the desert for a while. How sad; two brand new 747-8Fs languishing alongside another unused airframe, 747-400 line 1416, which is still waiting for a first operator.
http://747-8.blogspot.com/
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Old February 12th, 2013, 11:03 AM   #408
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An interesting scene:



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A 747 panel manufactured by Triumph Aerostructures in Texas was unloaded from Volga-Dnepr AN-124 RA-82079 this afternoon. Panels are usually transported by rail but if they are needed in a hurry the AN-124 brings them to Everett.
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Old February 13th, 2013, 08:05 AM   #409
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Boeing has now filed a Securities and Exchange Comission stock market warning that unless customers come forward to claim the 67 unclaimed productions slots for next year they will have to speculatively build planes to fulfill options rather than firm commitments or slow production.

Currently 39 747-8Fs and 28 747-8Is unsold next year, about 3 months production capacity.
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Old February 13th, 2013, 09:21 PM   #410
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I think you misunderstood the warning from Boeing.

Currently Boeing has 67 unfulfilled orders, these are the orders that haven't been delivered yet. There are 24 production slots per year = 2 per month, this gives Boeing just under 3 years of production of the 747-8 before there are no orders left to deliver. But because the delivery schedules for several airlines stretch out beyond 2015 there will already be several but not as much as 67 unclaimed production slots in 2014. If there are no more new orders, or more airlines like Cargolux that want to delay their deliveries Boeing will have to do a small slow down of the production. And that is not something that they want to do because it means a efficiency loss on the production line.

ps, here's an article about the warning.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-slots-382245/


The continuing problems in the cargo market will make it difficult for Boeing to get new order for the 747-8F, although there are always airlines that want to pick up some of the production slots for a bargain. Like Saudi Arabian Cargo picking up those unclaimed frames that should have gone to Atlas. But that's still something different then claiming production slots, Boeing might not want to give a big discount for the upcoming "fast" production slots.

I think Boeing will have a bigger chance in selling some 747-8Is, there are still enough fast growing airlines in Asia that could be lured in by somewhat lower prices and a quick delivery. Especially if the problems of the 787s are continuing and when there are more delays on the A350.
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The issue is customers have booked later delivery slots not that they have run out of orders to fulfill, if they arent willing to take earlier delivery they will have unsold planes sitting around. So unless customers are willing to take earlier delivery than planned they have unused production capacity not in the future but today. Many customers wont have the money to take delivery early and boeing would have to either accept part payment or fulfill the orders on credit. Thats the reason for the stock market warning, they are already facing a cash flow issue with each $200m 787's finished but unable to be delivered.
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This is what Boeing says about it.

"If we are unable to obtain orders for multiple Freighter aircraft in 2013 consistent with our near-term production plans, we may be required to take actions including reducing the number of airplanes produced and/or building airplanes for which we have not received firm orders," Boeing says.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-slots-382245/

It's all about the lack of orders.


And the 787 issue is just like the situation in 2010 and 2011 after the productions started but before the 1st delivery, for the 787 and for the 747-8. Of course the 787 will have an effect on their cash flow, but with a recently increased production rate for the 737 and the 777 there will be enough cash coming in so it won't be a problem on Boeing short term finances. And when Boeing has fixed the 787 problem it will be able to deliver a big number of 787s in a very short period.

The 747-8 issue for 2014 is a more long term issue, the bigger is that if they won't get more orders the number of unclaimed production slots will only get bigger with every year. That's the main message of Boeing's warning.
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 05:21 AM   #413
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Beautiful plane and that livery looks nice.
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Old March 2nd, 2013, 08:59 AM   #415
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Air China to order 747-8s, 737s and 777Fs

Air China is to order two Boeing 747-8s and 20 737s as well as nine 777s, eight of which will be freighters for its cargo division.

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http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-777fs-382947/
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Cathay Pacific Ordered 3 more 747-8F, to deliver this year.
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo....main/5703841/
These will be LN1483 LN1484 and 1486. Cathay will take deliveries of 5 747-8Fs this year, with 2 older frames LN 1438 RC554 B-LJD (now completed, with engines, siting on the flightline and waiting for test flights) and LN1433 RC553 B-LJC (undergoing refurbishment).

RC524 JA14KZ was ferried to Marana yesterday, for long term storage.http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE524

LN1429 RC571 HZ-AI3 in Everett flightline:

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Scheduled march deliveries:
LN1420 RC501 LX-VCA
LN1470 RC026 D-ABYG
LN1471 RC581 N854GT
LN1472 RC027 D-ABYH

Next to delivery should be:
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LN1438 RC554 B-LJD
LN1474 RC547 HL7617
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Great! Two more 747-8I for Lufthansa this month!
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Some more 747-8 news :
Just after the release of the March 01 747-8 listing the following info about the March delivery schedule became available.
Seven 747-8 aircraft are scheduled to clear parking space at Paine Field for more 787's.

LN1420 - RC501 - Cargolux - 08 March
LN1470 - RC026 - Lufthansa - 12 March
LN1471 - RC581 - Atlas Air - 20 March or earlier
LN1429 - RC571 - Saudia Cargo - 21 March
LN1472 - RC027 - Lufthansa - 27 March
LN1474 - RC547 - KAL - 28 March
LN1473 - RC508 - Cargolux - 29 March

All info is (as usual) subject to change.
From: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo....main/5648497/
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Question: are the B747-8s with LH have PTV and AVOD on board across all classes, not just in F and C classes? I mean, I sense that the B744s still have main screen programming for Y class (no PTV) while the F and C classes have PTV.
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PTV and avod everywhere. It's has become a standard for the long haul airlines today (soon to be for long haul low cost aswell (Thomson 787s will have, I can't remember for Norwegian's))
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