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Old September 3rd, 2013, 02:50 PM   #621
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To be fair, BA has chosen the 777-300ER, the 380, the 787-10 & the A350-1000 as the 747 replacement. I think Boeing hopes that they might add the 747-8I to that list, although it's more likely that if they will go for another type it will be the 777X.

I think that we pretty much can say that any airline that needs a new aircraft in the 747-8I size range that they will only go for the 747 if they need it almost right away. If they can wait they will go for the 777-9X, which will have better economics even if the 747-8I is improved even further.
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Old September 8th, 2013, 05:25 PM   #622
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Old September 8th, 2013, 09:22 PM   #623
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I think that we pretty much can say that any airline that needs a new aircraft in the 747-8I size range that they will only go for the 747 if they need it almost right away. If they can wait they will go for the 777-9X, which will have better economics even if the 747-8I is improved even further.
Sorry but I'm very sceptical about the 777X plane becoming a serious competitor to the A350. A refreshed old plane will never be as fuel efficient as a brand new one.
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Old September 8th, 2013, 11:03 PM   #624
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Emirates seems to thing different, they are quite happy to buy both types. We'll know later this year how many 777Xs they will order initially, they have said that they could need more then 200 eventually.

The 777X engines will also be 1 generation up from the A350 engines, that's a big difference nowadays and will bring the 777X very close to the A350. Although I do agree that the 777X will probably not have the same sales success as the A350, but that doesn't mean it won't be good seller.
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Old September 9th, 2013, 05:34 AM   #625
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A refreshed old plane will never be as fuel efficient as a brand new one.
At the end of the day, that depends on the type of engines used.

Remember Boeing KC-135? It used to be a gas guzzer airplane. But when they swap the old J57 turbojet with CFM56 turbofan, it became a very fuel efficient aircraft.
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Old September 9th, 2013, 06:34 AM   #626
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Sorry but I'm very sceptical about the 777X plane becoming a serious competitor to the A350. A refreshed old plane will never be as fuel efficient as a brand new one.
A more advance fuel engine plays the most important role in fuel efficiency. You can say its the center of attention these days for aircraft manufacturers and airlines.
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At the end of the day, that depends on the type of engines used.

Remember Boeing KC-135? It used to be a gas guzzer airplane. But when they swap the old J57 turbojet with CFM56 turbofan, it became a very fuel efficient aircraft.
The airframe also has something to do with fuel efficiency.
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The airframe also has something to do with fuel efficiency.
We would love to hear your explanation further
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Old September 9th, 2013, 12:08 PM   #629
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Well I'm no expert, but as technology & knowledge improves, so does the materials used, as well as improved aerodynamics. It all plays a part in fuel consumption.
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The 777X is only as fuel efficient as its seating comfiguration, which is why Boeing has made the thinning of its walls to allow for a more comfortable 10-abreast Economy (which would make the seats as wide as a 747 but still lesser than the A380). If airlines want to continue offering a wide Economy seat, aka 9 abreast, then the A350 triumphs over the 777X regardless. However, considering that the 10-abreast 777-9 skirts just beneath the realm of a VLA, I could see it not being as appealing simply because it becomes too big.
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Old September 9th, 2013, 01:48 PM   #631
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That plane out there looks pretty majestic and the color scheme is great as well.
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The 777X is only as fuel efficient as its seating comfiguration, which is why Boeing has made the thinning of its walls to allow for a more comfortable 10-abreast Economy (which would make the seats as wide as a 747 but still lesser than the A380). If airlines want to continue offering a wide Economy seat, aka 9 abreast, then the A350 triumphs over the 777X regardless. However, considering that the 10-abreast 777-9 skirts just beneath the realm of a VLA, I could see it not being as appealing simply because it becomes too big.
I am quite sure that most, if not all 777X operators will go for 10 abreast.

Anyways, we're kinda going off topic here in the 747 thread.
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A big majority of the 77Ws that are still to be delivered are going to have 10 abreast, more and more airlines have chosen for this configuration. So it's not that strange that Boeing believes that a 10 abreast 777X could be successful against the A350-1000. But since they place the 777-9X one size above the A350-1000 does show that they know that they would not win a direct competition.

ps. all this 777X talk only shows that it will make the 747-8I almost obsolete in the Boeing product range.
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I wish if Garuda ordered Boeing 747-8i. But such move could be considered a daring one, considering that the type's popularity is even no match to MD-11 popularity at the height of its popularity in 1990s.
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Guys could any1 give the Routes 747-800 Flies... worldwide?
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I read on a very good Facebook group that always posted true informations, that Royal Air Maroc could change is 747-400 (20 years old) and acquired a 747-8I.

I'm quite spectic because they are lifting the cabine with new seats and IFE.

The 747-400 CN-RGA : http://www.planespotters.net/Product...-Air-Maroc.php
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For the 747-8I (not -800) these are the Lufthansa routes from Frankfurt:

Washington D.C.
Delhi
Bangalore
Los Angeles
Hong Kong
Miami
Mexico City

Beijing (from December)

http://747-8.lufthansa.com/#/b747/experience
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For the 747-8I (not -800) these are the Lufthansa routes from Frankfurt:

Washington D.C.
Delhi
Bangalore
Los Angeles
Hong Kong
Miami
Mexico City

Beijing (from December)

http://747-8.lufthansa.com/#/b747/experience
Then where is the A380 going? FRA-PEK-FRA is currently A380. Correct me if I am wrong. Brazil should be added when the world cup is getting closer next as a possibility. That would be cool to A380 in LH color eventually in Brazil next to an 747-8I.
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Lufthansa is known for their seasonal aircraft changes.

Beijing, Tokyo & San Francisco will be downgraded from the A380 to the 747.
Miami & Shanghai will get the A380 instead.

That leaves 1 destination open, but that might not be utilized. I don't know how far the wingcrack modification program is at Lufthansa, but that could keep several A380 out of the running this winter.
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