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Old September 23rd, 2013, 03:45 PM   #641
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Saw the new 747 at LAX the other day.
It looks SPECTACULAR !!!!
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Old September 25th, 2013, 02:35 PM   #642
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Lufthansa to Start Boeing 747-8I Service to Chicago from late-October 2013

Lufthansa from 27OCT13 is introducing Boeing 747-8I operation on Frankfurt – Chicago route, replacing Boeing 747-400 on daily basis. Reservation for the 747-8I service opened on 24SEP13.

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Old September 26th, 2013, 07:31 AM   #643
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How is the reliability report of Boeing 747-8I?
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Old September 26th, 2013, 11:27 PM   #644
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LN1478 RC509 LX-VCI finally delivered. After 3 months in desert, now in Cargolux hands:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...800Z/KPAE/KLAX
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N775BA by Powercube, on Flickr

LN1421 RC521 JA11KZ is now in NCA livery. 2nd 747-8F test frame was refurbed in Lackland, returned to PAE 5/31/2013
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Moving JA11KZ Boeing 747-8 Freighter by moonm, on Flickr

LN1469 JA14KZ is on the flightline too. Returned from Marana 9/23/2013.
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One of these 2 NCA frames will be delivered next month. Total 3 (JA11KZ, JA14KZ and probably JA15KZ) are due to delivery this year.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 11:34 PM   #645
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I believe JA11KZ is due for November, JA14KZ might deliver next month.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 11:47 PM   #646
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Wow. It is great to see all those frames finally going in to use. Is there any possible new orders for the 747-8F? I would wonder why Boeing isn't trying to push cargo airlines the freighters to renew their fleets. The cargo market will rebound sometime.
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Old September 27th, 2013, 12:07 AM   #647
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I think this airplane will be used more as a cargo plane. As soon as the newest Boeing 777 variation is launched, passenger carriers will likely use it, to replace is aging 747 fleets.
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Old September 27th, 2013, 09:22 AM   #648
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Yes it is. Although Boeing 747-8I could carry more passengers, apparently its operational cost is not as economic as Boeing 777.
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Old September 27th, 2013, 01:12 PM   #649
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Yes it is. Although Boeing 747-8I could carry more passengers, apparently its operational cost is not as economic as Boeing 777.
The upcoming launch of the 777X will obsolete the 747-8i even further, since it will be able to sit as many passengers.
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Old September 27th, 2013, 03:46 PM   #650
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I asked about the freighter. Not the passenger version. I know the 8I is pretty much dead with up coming launch of the 777X program.
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Old October 10th, 2013, 10:27 AM   #651
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Hello all,

In this story here, they sate that the Intercontinental has received 11 commitments this year, including from a new customer that has never operated the 747. The known commitments this year are 5 from KE and 2 from CA, does anyone have any idea who the additional 4 could be for?

Additionally, LH has apparently done a testimonial video for Boeing and the 747-8i. I believe this is new and seems to be a positive sign that they will take all 19 of their current orders, and perhaps even add some more down the road.

Finally, the story talks about a 2% gain in fuel efficiency from just the engines for the PIP. Are there numbers with respect to what the total gain will be?

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Old October 10th, 2013, 02:39 PM   #652
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okay. I am officially wondering who is on this new airline order. what commercial airline hasn't operated the 747. That is hard because of how long the 747 has been in commercial service. Arik Air comes to mind in never operating the 747. When will Boeing announce the new customer?
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Old October 10th, 2013, 08:46 PM   #653
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Transaero signed a MoU for 4 748s in 2011.
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Old October 10th, 2013, 09:49 PM   #654
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Transaero signed a MoU for 4 748s in 2011.
Agreed, however I think the video states that the commitments were received this year and that the new airline hasn't operated 747s before.

That last part confuses me, unless they are speaking strictly of not having operated the passenger version of the 747.
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Old October 10th, 2013, 10:20 PM   #655
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That remark does make it a bit more difficult to predict the airline. It does rule out pretty much any of the major big national airlines, so that leaves smaller airlines or national airlines from newer states.


Azerbaijan Airlines springs to mind. Their freight partner Silk Way Airlines already has the 747-8F on order, so their could be efficiency benefits if they cooperate.

Air Astana or Turkmenistan Airlines are other contenders from the same region.

But it doesn't say it's actually the 747-8I, so it could also be a cargo airline. And that makes the list even longer and geographically more diverse.
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Old October 10th, 2013, 10:32 PM   #656
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But it doesn't say it's actually the 747-8I, so it could also be a cargo airline. And that makes the list even longer and geographically more diverse.
With respect to the commitments, the news video (which is the original source of the story) states that Boeing, this year, has received commitments for "11 more Intercontinentals, including one airline that's never bought the 747 before."

That seems pretty definitive that it is for the -8i, and that it is for commitments this year. Of course, there is always the possibility that it is being misreported in some way. :-)
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Old October 11th, 2013, 12:49 AM   #657
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Transaero signed a MoU for 4 748s in 2011.
They already operate a fleet of 747s. I dont think they will end up firming that order.

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Agreed, however I think the video states that the commitments were received this year and that the new airline hasn't operated 747s before.

That last part confuses me, unless they are speaking strictly of not having operated the passenger version of the 747.
If it was cargo, then there is ample amount of cargo airlines that haven't already operate the 747.

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That remark does make it a bit more difficult to predict the airline. It does rule out pretty much any of the major big national airlines, so that leaves smaller airlines or national airlines from newer states.


Azerbaijan Airlines springs to mind. Their freight partner Silk Way Airlines already has the 747-8F on order, so their could be efficiency benefits if they cooperate.

Air Astana or Turkmenistan Airlines are other contenders from the same region.
I dont know where they would fly the 747-8I. LHR and somewhere in Asia come to mind. Maybe open a route to JFK or something like that. I think they might want a crash course in operating a 747-400 so we dont hear of another repeat of the Norwegian Shuttle 787 incident. Anything is possible with this order.
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Old October 15th, 2013, 11:33 PM   #658
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Transaero expected to maintain rapid expansion

Transaero Airlines, Russia’s second largest airline, expects its fast pace of growth to continue over the next several years as it anticipates delivery of both its first Airbus A380 and first Boeing 747-8 Intercontinental in 2015. The carrier is also interested in expanding international partnerships and this week signed its latest interline agreement with New York-based JetBlue

Can anyone find or put the link for the official order announcement? Because the last I heard was that the order was still MOU.
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Old October 16th, 2013, 12:06 AM   #659
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Transaero expected to maintain rapid expansion

Transaero Airlines, Russia’s second largest airline, expects its fast pace of growth to continue over the next several years as it anticipates delivery of both its first Airbus A380 and first Boeing 747-8 Intercontinental in 2015. The carrier is also interested in expanding international partnerships and this week signed its latest interline agreement with New York-based JetBlue

Can anyone find or put the link for the official order announcement? Because the last I heard was that the order was still MOU.
I just saw that as well. I was wondering if the body of the article contains more information, but unfortunately I don't have access. As far as I know, they are still MoUs, however perhaps this is a positive sign that they will actually be firmed up.
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Old October 16th, 2013, 08:25 PM   #660
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More Transaero

Well, while the Transaero order is still technically an MoU, as Boeing's Orders & Deliveries do not list them yet, perhaps they are simply waiting on an announcement.

Today's Aviation Week article seems to imply that they are indeed firm, at least in Transaero's mind.

Some snippets:

"Transaero has four A380s and four 747-8s on firm order. The carrier will configure its 747-8s with three classes of seats and aim to attract business passengers with the Boeing widebodies. “If the A380 is the aircraft for high-volume tourism groups, the 747-8 is our answer to the . . . routes with less tourists but [more business-oriented] passengers who are more demanding than tourists,” she explained.

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"As the newer models arrive, we will study the possibility of a large order weighed against the retiring of the existing fleet . . . After we master the two new types of aircraft [A380s and 747-8s], we’ll make a decision on what to order next,” likely in 2015 or 2016."
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