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Old October 31st, 2013, 09:50 PM   #681
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Boeing delivered last remaining 747-8F test frame (2nd 748 built), former N5017Q. LN1421 RC521 JA11KZ was contractually delivered 30th October 2013. Delivery flight pending.

During test program:
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Boeing Company (Nippon Cargo Airlines - NCA) - Boeing 747-8F - N5017Q - King County International Airport - Boeing Field (BFI) - September 9, 2010 1 041 RT CRP by TVL1970, on Flickr

Back to PAE after refurb:
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Moving JA11KZ Boeing 747-8 Freighter by moonm, on Flickr

Finally repainted in PDX:
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NIPPON CARGO JAIIKZ Boeing 747-8F by moonm, on Flickr

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BOE521 by sabian404, on Flickr
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Old November 1st, 2013, 09:22 AM   #682
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Is there a 747-8 version easy convertibe in I/F ?
What do you mean? A combi or converted from -8i to -8f? If I would answer your question, Boeing never had any convertible 747-8 unless it is her predecessors.
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Old November 1st, 2013, 11:09 AM   #683
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An interesting update on the firing order added by 747Classic and XWB:


- L/N 1505 is allocated to an additional (not yet ordered) Cathay freighter #14.

Anyone know any rumors that go with it? Perhaps the long talked about order by CX for 8i's will be combined with some additional 8f's?
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Old November 1st, 2013, 04:09 PM   #684
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JA11KZ deliver flight:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...430Z/KPAE/RJAA
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Old November 2nd, 2013, 02:47 PM   #685
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Lufthansa Boeing 747-830
Everett - Snohomish County / Paine Field (PAE / KPAE) USA - Washington, May 26, 2013
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D-ABYI (cn 37833/1475) The next Lufthansa 8 is ready for delivery
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Old November 3rd, 2013, 04:00 PM   #686
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An interesting update on the firing order added by 747Classic and XWB:


- L/N 1505 is allocated to an additional (not yet ordered) Cathay freighter #14.

Anyone know any rumors that go with it? Perhaps the long talked about order by CX for 8i's will be combined with some additional 8f's?
Rumor goes around that Cathay will buy 4 more freighters.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 06:13 AM   #687
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It seemed that Boeing 747-8i share some similarities with Boeing 707-400 in the past. They are the most advanced version of their respective type, and yes Lufthansa is the launch customer of both aircraft. And both types are not selling well either.
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Old November 5th, 2013, 09:07 PM   #688
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News is on the street that Arik Air has canceled its order for two 747-8i aircraft and will take 777s instead.

http://twitter.com/FG_STrim/status/397744621540745218
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Old November 6th, 2013, 01:46 AM   #689
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News is on the street that Arik Air has canceled its order for two 747-8i aircraft and will take 777s instead.

http://twitter.com/FG_STrim/status/397744621540745218
Here is to my "747th" posting on SkyscraperCity. Herd the same thing on airliners.net. Thought Arik Air's order was a little weird but hey at least they still order Boeing. Any possible information of when delivery will be. We can welcome a brand new customer to the 777 family of operators.
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Old November 6th, 2013, 04:30 AM   #690
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They must be running out of patience. Why does it take so long to manufacture Boeing 747-8i?
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Old November 6th, 2013, 08:46 AM   #691
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The 1st open delivery slots for the 777-300ER are further out then the ones for the 747-8I. If they have actually have cancelled the order it won't be because they are running out of patience. It's more likely that Arik Air and not Boeing is actively delaying this order.

It's does make more sense though, it's give them more flexibility. They can get more 777s via different routes, via leasing companies or 2nd hand birds, that's not possible with the 747-8I.
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It's does make more sense though, it's give them more flexibility. They can get more 777s via different routes, via leasing companies or 2nd hand birds, that's not possible with the 747-8I.
This really give advantage for impatient customers.
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Old November 6th, 2013, 09:40 AM   #693
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But in this case it's absolutely clear that Arik Air is not impatient, but just indecisive. If they wouldn't have cancelled their original 777-300ER order from 2007 they would be flying this type already for a couple of years. A conversion back to the 777 does mean a longer delay right now.

And the lease and 2nd hand options for the 777-300ER are also long term benefits. Most of the type are still flying for the airlines that originally bought the planes or are still in the original 1st lease term. Only in the 2nd half of this decade more of them should be entering the 2nd hand market.
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Old November 11th, 2013, 05:26 PM   #694
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Old November 13th, 2013, 08:25 AM   #695
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Old November 13th, 2013, 04:04 PM   #696
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the 787 was huge for the Boeing company. They are using part they created for the 787 and reworking them for all the other planes they have.

The 777X and 747-8i get new engines, fuel efficient materials materials, new wing design to optimize performance.

will it lead to more sales for either planes? Not sure.

I think (like many here) the 777x will sell better then the 747-8i due to the fact that airlines are having problems filling bigger planes like the 747 or A380.
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Old November 17th, 2013, 08:47 PM   #697
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Orders at the Dubai Air Show for the biggest airliners so far:

150x 777-8X/9X
50x A380-800
10x A350-1000
0x 747-8I

I think we can pronounce the 747-8I dead. The airlines simply prefer the newest twin-engine planes in this class and additionally the A380 for high-density routes. The launch of the 777X programme is the last nail in the 747-8I´s coffin. RIP.

The 747-8F might have a future but we don´t see many orders for this type as well.
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Orders at the Dubai Air Show for the biggest airliners so far:

150x 777-8X/9X
50x A380-800
10x A350-1000
0x 747-8I

I think we can pronounce the 747-8I dead. The airlines simply prefer the newest twin-engine planes in this class and additionally the A380 for high-density routes. The launch of the 777X programme is the last nail in the 747-8I´s coffin. RIP.

The 747-8F might have a future but we don´t see many orders for this type as well.
Well today was only the first day. We might get lucky and see a cargo order but if that doesn't happen then Boeing needs to officially end the sale of the 747 and start to worry about the 777X program and also the MAX program. But yes the 747 needs to fly to her spot in the history books and claim her spot. She had a great life and will for ever change the way we fly. The A380 would be the same if it wasn't for Emirates ego for wanting 140 A380s in their fleet.
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Old November 17th, 2013, 10:07 PM   #699
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Boeing wouldn't have announced another production rate slowdown if 1 or 2 major orders where in the pipeline. So I'm not surprised the lack of orders in Dubai, and really only Etihad was rumored to maybe place an order from the ME carriers.

Boeing does however have some other modest new orders coming up. There's still the Transaero order to be firmed up and they did recently hint at an order for the -8I from a 1st time 747 operator. Cathay is also likely to top-up their -8F order. Since they didn't become one of the 777X launch customers while being very interested we might see a joined 777X and 747-8F top-up order on a later date this year.

All in all I do think that Boeing will be able to secure enough orders to keep the production going for years to come at the reduced rate. Replacing the 747 only when they will come with the next generation widebody twin that will replace the 747 and the 777X at the same time.
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I think they should have dropped the 747-8I altogether and use the resources to build a competitor to A320NEO which is winning in any game it -seriously- plays against Boeing.
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