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Old November 17th, 2013, 10:57 PM   #701
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Hopefully there are still enough 747-8I jumbo jets around when the White House (perhaps under the next President) gets around to replacing its fleet of Air Force Ones, all of which I think are altered versions of the 747-200.

It is such an iconic symbol of American power that I can't see them turning to any of the smaller models like the 777X or 787 Dreamliner.
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Old November 17th, 2013, 11:57 PM   #702
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The US government is already looking into the replacement and the info that has come out indicates that they only want a 4 engined plane. That only leaves the 747 or the A380 and it's highly unlikely that they will go European for the Air Force One replacements.

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I think they should have dropped the 747-8I altogether and use the resources to build a competitor to A320NEO which is winning in any game it -seriously- plays against Boeing.
With a +/- 40% market share the 737 MAX is indeed not winning, but with 1,629 firm orders (excluding the recent flydubai and Chinese commitments) you seriously can't say that it's working against Boeing.

The A350 also has a +/- 40% market share against it's competitors, the 787 and the 777X. Is that working against Airbus?

Since the 747-8 is currently not eating up Boeing's resources, there's no need to drop it in favor of another project right now. The bigger A320neo backlog actually gives Boeing more time to come up with the replacement of the 737 while still being able to bring it to the market before Airbus comes with a A320 replacement. That could turn the tables again, giving Boeing the edge with in the future narrow body market.
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Old November 18th, 2013, 05:40 AM   #703
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Is that true that the reason why Boeing went ahead with Boeing 747-8i project (despite the poor sales) is due to US government plan to replace VC-25?
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Old November 18th, 2013, 01:15 PM   #704
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The US government is already looking into the replacement and the info that has come out indicates that they only want a 4 engined plane. That only leaves the 747 or the A380 and it's highly unlikely that they will go European for the Air Force One replacements.

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There is a third 4-engined airliner still in production which could become the next VIP jet of the American president.

The Ilyushin Il-96.
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Old November 18th, 2013, 01:39 PM   #705
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If Obama buys an Ilyushin you already know that any future Republican president will refuse to even set foot in the plane let alone fly it.

Boeing has not developed the 747-8 just because the US government needs a new platform for the Air Force One but it's unlikely that they will go with any other plane.

If Boeing hadn't done the 747-8 they would probably still have offered the 747-400F with an engine upgrade. That would then been the basis for the VC-25 / Air Force One.

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The only other possible candidate for a replacement is the Lockheed C-5M Super Galaxy. As a military plane it would also need a significant amount of modifications. It's possible although it's not the most likely candidate.
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Old November 18th, 2013, 02:02 PM   #706
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They would surely goes for new aircraft, not upgraded old aircraft.

In fact the existing VC-25 themselves are upgraded Boeing 747-200!
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Old November 18th, 2013, 05:15 PM   #707
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If Obama buys an Ilyushin you already know that any future Republican president will refuse to even set foot in the plane let alone fly it.

Boeing has not developed the 747-8 just because the US government needs a new platform for the Air Force One but it's unlikely that they will go with any other plane.

If Boeing hadn't done the 747-8 they would probably still have offered the 747-400F with an engine upgrade. That would then been the basis for the VC-25 / Air Force One.

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The only other possible candidate for a replacement is the Lockheed C-5M Super Galaxy. As a military plane it would also need a significant amount of modifications. It's possible although it's not the most likely candidate.
I highly doubt the US government lets a European company (Airbus) build them a modern day Air Force One. The plane itself is a symbol of American Power.

An as for the 8i for the next AFO. I doubt the Government cares about fuel efficiency!

They want the plane to have the most powerful engines possible for quick take offs and to get the president out of harms way

and they want a plane with long range

PS I remember in a 9/11 documentary hearing that AFO can flat out cruise speed wise because the fighter planes protecting AFO told the plane to slow down because the fighters couldnt keep up. So power is KEY for AFO
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I wouldn't be surprised if Boeing will come up with a shortened passenger version of the 747-8F (without the long hump of the -8I), about 747-400 size with the 747-8 wings (maybe even with the 777X style folding wingtips) and beefed up (possibly 787 sized) engines.

Making it smaller will decrease the weight and giving it a better weight to thrust ratio, a longer range and better field performance especially when it comes to taking off from short runways.
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Old November 19th, 2013, 02:15 AM   #709
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I wouldn't be surprised if Boeing will come up with a shortened passenger version of the 747-8F (without the long hump of the -8I), about 747-400 size with the 747-8 wings (maybe even with the 777X style folding wingtips) and beefed up (possibly 787 sized) engines.

Making it smaller will decrease the weight and giving it a better weight to thrust ratio, a longer range and better field performance especially when it comes to taking off from short runways.
" better field performance especially when it comes to taking off from short runways."

That could be something interesting airlines should look into. I live in Buffalo, NY, the longest runway the airport has 8,820 feet.

If it could get bigger planes to land their. The Buffalo Niagara International Airport could have some interesting new flights and steal more Canadian customers to come over the boarder.
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You said in your last post that the US government doesn't care about fuel consumption. A 747 sized plane with short runway capabilities won't be the most fuel efficient plane.

Making new longer routes from smaller airports possible would need an aircraft that should go the complete opposite direction, it's all fuel efficiency. There's simply no business case for a commercial version of my proposed AFO. It will be to big for the market in airports like Buffalo and it won't be efficient enough to make any routes profitable.
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You said in your last post that the US government doesn't care about fuel consumption. A 747 sized plane with short runway capabilities won't be the most fuel efficient plane.

Making new longer routes from smaller airports possible would need an aircraft that should go the complete opposite direction, it's all fuel efficiency. There's simply no business case for a commercial version of my proposed AFO. It will be to big for the market in airports like Buffalo and it won't be efficient enough to make any routes profitable.
No I meant for AFO ....they care about performance over fuel efficiency.t Because they need to get the President out of harms way if needed.

And Im just saying that Airlines should think about being able to have planes land and takeoff with less runway. Like in Buffalo I have seen AFO and a boeing 747 take off on a 8,820 foot runway. (which normally 747s need a longer runway)
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Old November 19th, 2013, 03:42 PM   #712
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The only way I see the 747 surviving is if Boeing finds a way to make it with two engines and one more stretch.

Now imagine that.
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That would be one ugly bird!

But besides that, the 747-8I´s length (76,25 m) is already very close to the maximum length limit of 80 m set by the airports*. So there is not much room for another stretch.

*The other size limit is a maximum wingspan of 80 m.
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Old November 23rd, 2013, 08:55 PM   #714
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Old November 25th, 2013, 09:34 AM   #715
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http://youtu.be/vXRLjzUy-ew
Just saw this video posted by Boeing.

Anyways, i just read that they are now activating the tail tanks and new PIP for the engines.

Just a question, if they will be reactivating the tanks, how many NAutical miles will it add to the current 8,100 nmi range of the 747-8i?

Also, will CX also add some 8is to the fllet or is it just 8Fs? I just remembered also that Garuda is thinking of the 748 or the 380 by year's end. i hope it's the former.
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Boeing warns 15 airlines over engine ice build-up on 747-8 and Dreamliner


Boeing has advised 15 airlines operating GE-powered 747-8 and 787 Dreamliner jets to avoid high-level thunderstorms due to the risk of engine ice forming. Read more>>>
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