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Old December 23rd, 2013, 02:13 PM   #722
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Boeing delivers first 747-8 Freighter with enhanced engines

Boeing has delivered the first 747-8 Freighter powered with enhanced GEnx-2B engines to Hong Kong flag carrier Cathay Pacific Airways, as part of the aircraft's performance improvement package (PIP). (source)


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Old December 23rd, 2013, 11:46 PM   #723
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Cathay took delivery of 3 747-8Fs in under 7 days, with the 3rd is scheduled to fly out later today.

Today's delivery is the 13th in total, the last one of their current firm orders. But with #14 already in the list of upcoming production slots it's very likely that we will see a new order very soon. It might already happened together with the 777X order, just without any noise. Otherwise it will happen early next year since the 14th should already enter assembly mid 2014.

I wonder if we will also see the order for the airline that never operated the 747 before, or the Transaero order for that matter.

Either way, next we will see the 1st 747-8Is for Air China and Korean Air, that's something to look forward to.
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Old December 24th, 2013, 03:41 AM   #724
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Good news for the program, for sure. The Commercial Aviation blog at Aviation Week had a good post about the total improvements that have been made since the initial frames were delivered.

It is good to see those birds finally being delivered. Apparently, via contractual agreement, all of the previously delivered frames will get PIP engines as well at some point. I would suspect that this is likely to be true for some other operators as well.

It will be interesting to see how large the upcoming CX order is. It probably depends on the rate at which they see the need to retire their older 744s, as well as their own traffic forecasts. While many see the recent 779 order as them not needing the 748i at all, I think there still may be a chance for that order, especially in the near term. It would be nice to see another operator running both the I and F variants together, and with the upcoming follow on freighter order, they are definitely building to a level where it could make sense to have a sub-fleet of the I type.

Whatever the case though, it will be interesting to see how the upcoming orders and commitments that have been talked about come to pass, as well as the delivery of Intercontinentals in liveries other than LH's! For the sake of variety of course.

Speaking of LH, has anyone seen anything further about them picking their 20th frame back up?
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Old December 24th, 2013, 06:04 AM   #725
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Old December 24th, 2013, 09:09 AM   #726
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Unfortunately she was born at the time when other manufacturer already makes an aircraft that have bigger "wow" factor (and size)
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Old December 24th, 2013, 11:34 PM   #727
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We were very impressed when first time saw to arraive and land the Cargolux B747-8F, hownever now they are becoming "common" :-).
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Old December 25th, 2013, 12:10 AM   #728
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Unfortunately she was born at the time when other manufacturer already makes an aircraft that have bigger "wow" factor (and size)
I still think the IDEA of the 380s is better then actually owning / operating them. I wonder seats wise how many on average 380s actually sell per flight. I doubt they sell out all the time. But thats for the 380s thread

and i think boeing knew that the 747-8i wouldnt be that popular and that more airlines would buy the 747-8F due to the payloads capacity and fuel saving technology.
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Old December 25th, 2013, 01:30 PM   #729
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Transaero to announce results of aircraft tender in February 2014

Print View NewsTransaero to announce results of aircraft tender in February 2014
© Tis Meyer / planepics.org Transaero Airlines Boeing B777-200ER 24DEC2013
Transaero Airlines (UN, Moscow Domodedovo) will announce the results of a fleet tender in February 2014, an airline spokesperson has exclusively confirmed to ch-aviation. The Russian carrier disclosed that is currently in talks with Airbus Industrie (AIB, Toulouse Blagnac) and Boeing (BOE, Chicago O'Hare) over a planned expansion of its current order portfolio, which includes four B747-8s, 12 B737-800s and eight Airbus A320neo. Earlier in August this year, media reports had pointed to a potential order of twenty Boeing 737 MAX jets. Transaero, however, later refuted these claims.

http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...-february-2014
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Old December 27th, 2013, 01:00 AM   #730
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Boeing delivers first 747-8 Freighter with enhanced engines Boeing has delivered the first 747-8 Freighter powered with enhanced GEnx-2B engines to Hong Kong flag carrier Cathay Pacific Airways, as part of the aircraft's performance improvement package (PIP). (source)
Why cathay pacific doesent want a380s ,they have already a lot of 747s
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Old December 27th, 2013, 03:12 AM   #731
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Why cathay pacific doesent want a380s ,they have already a lot of 747s
This has been talked about and answered before. They don't need a VLA. They don't have enough routes that warrant an A380 or the 747-8I right now and they wont order just one or two planes. Plus the 747s are being replaced by the 777s and the A350 once orders begin.
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Cathay has long been rumored to want the A380-900 instead of the A380-800, since the -900 never came (it won't be before 2030) they had enough time to wait for the 777-9X to come along. Which was the nail in the coffin for any Cathay A380 order in the near future, or a 747-8I order for that matter.
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And Cathay has now also announced an order for 1 additional 747-8F, to bring the total to 14.
http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...aft-order.html


But it will only be delivered in 2016. There's already one listed for assembly later next year, that will be delayed or it will be stored before delivery like so many of the other 747-8Fs.
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Old December 28th, 2013, 03:51 PM   #734
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The B748 never picked up real momentum, and now the B777-9 is virtually ending the sales of the B748. Which is sad since I like to see some diversity in airplanes around and I like to see 4 engines on a large airplane. But what I would like does not count in the real world, the hard facts are ruling. And driving more and more airplanes to have 2 engines instead of 3 or 4.
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Old December 30th, 2013, 08:46 PM   #735
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Old December 30th, 2013, 09:28 PM   #736
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Doesn't have any 747-8s.


Anyway, Korean Air took delivery of their 4th 747-8F today.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/KAL28D
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That was the 6th 747 delivery this month, and the final one for 2013. This year, Boeing delivered 24 747-8 aircraft.
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The B748 never picked up real momentum, and now the B777-9 is virtually ending the sales of the B748. Which is sad since I like to see some diversity in airplanes around and I like to see 4 engines on a large airplane. But what I would like does not count in the real world, the hard facts are ruling. And driving more and more airplanes to have 2 engines instead of 3 or 4.
VS believed "4 engines 4 long haul" is the direction to go but reality kicked in and they ordered A333's & B787's
Sir RB even got it wrong
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The B748 never picked up real momentum, and now the B777-9 is virtually ending the sales of the B748. Which is sad since I like to see some diversity in airplanes around and I like to see 4 engines on a large airplane. But what I would like does not count in the real world, the hard facts are ruling. And driving more and more airplanes to have 2 engines instead of 3 or 4.
My thinking is that 747-8i was mainly created for Cargo planes / 747-8F. Unmatched cargo capacity, more fuel efficient, and best engines on the market.

the 777x series would mainly be sold to airlines for passengers flights.

Passenger planes like the 747-8i and 380 look GOOD on paper and not so good in real life. Selling 450 - 800 seats per flight is unlikely to sell out a majority of the time. I could be wrong .... and i dont have the numbers to prove it. But I think its fair to think that its unreasonable to sell that many seats for 1 plane ride to what ever location you are going to.
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It has turned out that way. But when the B748 was launched Boeing expected the B748i to take 66% to 75% of all orders. But that prediction has not materialised at all.

If the efficiency is good enough, you don't need to fully sell all available tickets on every flight. Especially on the A380 we see most airlines opt for a more luxurious seating configuration. RASM is much more important than CASM, so it seems anyway.

But all A380 operators (maybe except for China Southern Airlines) are reporting very high (much higher then average) load factors on their airplanes. EK mentioned by the CEO Tim Clark that the A380 is cash cow for them and he would have order even more if the Dubai Airport could handle them. But with all these B77W's still arriving, and 75 A350's to come, there is just not enough room left until the new big airport in Dubai gets more terminals and runways operational.
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