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Old June 19th, 2014, 04:48 AM   #1041
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Forgot to mention lease is through ICBC bank in mainland China and might be the first of several deals in regard to b747-8 sales announced through this bank in the coming months. Expect some positive news also in regards to Emirates within 3 to 4 weeks...
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Old June 19th, 2014, 05:06 AM   #1042
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Asiana to acquire 4 or 5 B747-8 freighters through a leasing company.
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Asians is about to sign for 4 or 5 b747-8 through a leasing company. Deal to be announced next month by Boeing..
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Forgot to mention lease is through ICBC bank in mainland China and might be the first of several deals in regard to b747-8 sales announced through this bank in the coming months. Expect some positive news also in regards to Emirates within 3 to 4 weeks...
Great news for Boeing & OZ....

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Old June 19th, 2014, 06:07 AM   #1043
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Forgot to mention lease is through ICBC bank in mainland China and might be the first of several deals in regard to b747-8 sales announced through this bank in the coming months. Expect some positive news also in regards to Emirates within 3 to 4 weeks...
Well, this is grat news that OZ will be acquiring some -8Fs. Hope they wil, also go for the -8I.

Are you sure about EK? I thought the deal with Boeing fizzled last week. I'm not expecting the arab carriers to use the -8i. They are too fixated with the A380.
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Old June 19th, 2014, 01:05 PM   #1044
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Photo Report of Flight LH 796 Frankfurt - Hong Kong:
Occupancy was rather low in Y, I had three seats for myself. Lufthansa seems to have some trouble filling the seats.
Flight was operated by a Boeing 747-8i D-ABYN.
3 seats to yourself in economy is like winning the lottery on such a long flight!

It makes a trip so much better when you can lay flat to sleep!
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Old June 19th, 2014, 08:20 PM   #1045
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3 seats to yourself in economy is like winning the lottery on such a long flight!
On Germany-Asia flights on Lufthansa I usually have 3 seats for myself (in 8 in 10 cases).
Lufthansa is struggling in Asia.
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Old June 19th, 2014, 09:35 PM   #1046
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Old June 19th, 2014, 11:56 PM   #1047
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http://seekingalpha.com/article/2259...efficient-a380

So the 747-8i does have better fuel efficiency then the a380??
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Old June 20th, 2014, 12:45 AM   #1048
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http://seekingalpha.com/article/2259...efficient-a380

So the 747-8i does have better fuel efficiency then the a380??
The conclusion says:

"Boeing 747-8I and Airbus A380 seem to have similar fuel efficiencies."

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Expect some positive news also in regards to Emirates within 3 to 4 weeks...
Unless you have more information, Tim Clark replied he's not interested in the 747-8i.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...rtures-399923/
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Old June 20th, 2014, 03:50 AM   #1049
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I don't think the OZ deal is true. Asiana is moving towards an all-Airbus fleet, why would it randomly add 4 to 5 B747-8 that it doesn't need.
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Old June 20th, 2014, 05:06 AM   #1050
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I don't think the OZ deal is true. Asiana is moving towards an all-Airbus fleet, why would it randomly add 4 to 5 B747-8 that it doesn't need.
First, it is the ICBC Financial Leasing Company that is in talks to add the frame to its portfolio.

Second, it is for the -8F variant, and Asiana currently operates 10 older 747Fs. ICBC would be looking to place it with them to allow them to retire some of the older frames.

As of this time, there has been no other statement from any of the parties regarding the reported talks. We'll just have to see what comes of the process.
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Old June 20th, 2014, 05:54 AM   #1051
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You are exactly right. Asiansa is looking to acquire frames to retire 747-400f and replace them with newer 748 f . As for an explanation why is Emirates might be interested in B748, I will provide you a very detail analysis I early next week. I am actually on a business trip in Asia and upon my return to the USA ( by the way on a Korean Airlines flight to DFW), I will explain you that Emirates might buy some 747-8 to force Airbus to develop the 380 Neo. Because deep down , Emirates have realized that buying 50 more 380s does not make any sense as the plane will be obsolete by 2020.. I will give you a detail analysis comparing the 773, 748, 380 and coming 779 ... Emirates knows that they are the key to the Airbus program...Without them Airbus would be in the same boat than Boeing with the 747-8....Frankly it makes no sense to me for Emirates to buy 50 more 380s if they are not neos. The 779 is going to make the A380 as it is an obsolete bird...
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Old June 20th, 2014, 02:44 PM   #1052
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The crew rest area on the 748 is in the ceiling so EK would have the whole cabin for seating. Also would fit perfect on routes where they're SJ's are at 80/90 percent load capacity.

They can also recieve the airfrmes ASAP.

wonder what the best range/cargo weight/seating Boeing can offer them?
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Old June 20th, 2014, 07:43 PM   #1053
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On Germany-Asia flights on Lufthansa I usually have 3 seats for myself (in 8 in 10 cases).
Lufthansa is struggling in Asia.
Sorry, just because you had luck to have several seats for yourself, you cannot generalise it. If LH could not fill it, they wouldn't send a B748 to HKG. Their general load factor on FRA - HKG is still as it was all the years before ~85%, which is quite good. Additionally, it's the business cabin where the money is earned.
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Old June 21st, 2014, 05:10 AM   #1054
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Coming back to Emirates and the possibility of them buying 747-8. I think they might buy few but not as an alternative t the A380. I see have having over 200 to 300 A380s in their fleet by 2030. They will also have A330 neos in abundance and also 779 . They are killing the competition and will put a serious threat to any major Asian carrier in the future. Twenty years ago almost every flight I took to the Orient was through Hong Kong and Cathay. As a customer I wiil be switching to Emirates in the future. I already did on all the destinations that I flew to Africa or India last year. Before I use to fly from the USA to either Heathrow, CdG or Frankfurt. I give you an example, I did fly to Johannesburg out of Dfw last September. I could have flown Dfw Dulles on a crapy Md80 an then take Saa, fly to heathrow on a BA 747 and then another BA to JoBurg or go to Paris on a crappy 767 and change to am Af flight. I went Emirates to Dubai and JoBurg with Emirates. The airline service and attention are amazing. And Dubai airport makes T5 at Heathrow, CdG and Dfw looks like Greyhound stations. The glamour and the city that serounds it is unbeliavable.
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Old June 21st, 2014, 06:09 AM   #1055
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One more point , Emirates did cancel the Airbus 350 order because they need bigger planes for their network. In this perspective , the 747-8 fit the bills perfectly beside the A380. The deliveries would happen rapidly. Boeing will discount heavily the planes and Emirates can enter the planes on less glamorous destinations than the one deserved by the A380 and move tons of people to Dubai to connect to over parts of the world . Brilliant strategy....
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Old June 21st, 2014, 07:29 AM   #1056
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Boeing 747-8i would have been a perfect replacement of A350. Considering that it can flew a very long distance, yet its passenger capacity is almost comparable to A380 (by quite a large margin actually, but much larger than A350 nevertheless).
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 05:51 AM   #1057
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Old June 25th, 2014, 01:56 PM   #1058
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If it's fitted with the most recent engine PIP and the improved software it will be significantly better then the original specs of the early 747-8Fs.

And it's the quickest option to get one, if they are growing as fast as they say they are doing and need one right now it could be a valid option.
AirBridgeCargo complained about payload shortfalls, the engine PIP will not resolve this issue. New build 747-8's are significant lighter than the first models and can take more/heavier payload (MTOW was increased from 442 to 448 tons in 2012). Therefore I don't see them taking LN 1437.

Regarding availability, I'm convinced Boeing can offer them a delivery slot within the next 12 months.

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Old June 25th, 2014, 09:44 PM   #1059
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AirBridgeCargo complained about payload shortfalls, the engine PIP will not resolve this issue. New build 747-8's are significant lighter than the first models and can take more/heavier payload (MTOW was increased from 442 to 448 tons in 2012). Therefore I don't see them taking LN 1437.

Regarding availability, I'm convinced Boeing can offer them a delivery slot within the next 12 months.
I always wondered about this. When they talk about improvements to the airframe like removing weight and increasing the payload (MTOW), can those be applied to earlier frames as well? Like something that can be done as part of maintenance, or that they can have Boeing do retroactively?

Or does it really depend more on the nature of the weight being taken out? What about with the MTOW increases, those are generally done after a review of existing data as opposed to something having to be added in, correct?

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Old June 26th, 2014, 09:36 AM   #1060
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Can anyone help me understand why unecessary photos are being added here in between posts, I mean whats the purpose of these unless there are discussions going on regarding them.
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