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Old September 17th, 2014, 05:19 AM   #1201
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I'm a big 747-8 fan, but this is just plain wrong. Boeing planned for the Intercontinental version to be a very big part (some would even say the majority) of the 747-8 sales. The 777X was not any tangible factor back when the 747-8 was being originally pitched.



I believe it is clear that Boeing is predicting the market space that VLAs (747-8 and 380) occupy is relatively small, however I think they also feel that the 747-8 fits a part of their strategy for high end capacity where they think that a "right-sized" plane, which has more space than a 777 but where a 380 is often times too big, can find a market.
disagree .... if boeing thought bigger was better. They wouldve built something as big as the A380 instead of the 787.

The plan for the 787 is to give smaller airports and not big hubs the ability to have international flights. A good example is this is Austin, Tx. They have a 787 flight to london.
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Old September 17th, 2014, 05:38 AM   #1202
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disagree .... if boeing thought bigger was better. They wouldve built something as big as the A380 instead of the 787.
Disagree with what? I stipulated that Boeing today clearly thinks that the VLA segment is small. That doesn't change the fact that in the past, back when the 747-8 was conceived and was initially being pitched, Boeing expected to sell as many or more Intercontinental versions as they did freighters. Back then, they also projected the VLA space to be larger than they do currently.
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Old September 17th, 2014, 11:09 PM   #1203
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Old September 18th, 2014, 12:27 PM   #1204
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Boeing reports that the seat-mile cost of the 747-8 intercontinental is 10% lower and 15% more fuel efficient compared to the 747-400, with nearly equivalent trip costs.



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Old September 18th, 2014, 03:01 PM   #1205
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Boeing reports that the seat-mile cost of the 747-8 intercontinental is 10% lower and 15% more fuel efficient compared to the 747-400, with nearly equivalent trip costs.



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yeah but comparing it to the older version of the 747 doesnt matter. Customers will compare the 747-8i to the a380. Most A380 customers use about 450 seats (way less then airbus intended it to be)

So the cost per seats between the 8i vs 380 is the real question. Sure you can google stats but no one really knows which plane is more fuel efficient or cost effective.

The market for buying planes of that size isnt really there anyways.
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Old September 19th, 2014, 07:14 PM   #1206
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All this cost per mile stuff is computer generated rubbish. Its like motor manufacturers and their "MPG" figures on cars. If you read the small print it tends to say that the figures quoted are gained in strict laboratory conditions and may not represent every day use. It's about bums on seats and how much the airlines can sell the seats for. Obviously I know it's more technical than that and I have no doubt that the airliners cannot achieve the figures stated however I doubt we will ever see real life figures from any manufacturers advertised anywhere
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Old September 20th, 2014, 01:56 PM   #1207
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I read on a very good Facebook group that always posted true informations, that Royal Air Maroc could change is 747-400 (20 years old) and acquired a 747-8I.

I'm quite spectic because they are lifting the cabine with new seats and IFE.

The 747-400 CN-RGA : http://www.planespotters.net/Product...-Air-Maroc.php
Now we know that RAM 747-400 will be sold with the new cabin.


Strong rumors for 747 8I

747-400 will be sold with is new cabine


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La rumeur, ce bruit qui court, sans certitude ni garantie est sans doute le plus vieux média du monde. Chez nous elle se taille la part du lion et les couloirs de la compagnie ne font pas exception ŕ la rčgle.

Donc, d’aprčs radio médina, il semblerait que dans un proche avenir notre compagnie recevra un des fleurons de l’aéronautique civile…Le Boeing 747-8.

Qu’importe que l’information soit avérée on non, la rumeur a rempli son contrat. Cette « information » circule ŕ son gré et pas seulement dans les locaux de la RAM.

Vérité ou rumeur montée de toute pičce l’avenir nous le dira, mais il n’en reste pas moins que cet avion , qui peut transporter 700 passagers sur 8000 NM, est un bijou de l’aéronautique.

Avec son fuselage allongé sa voilure redessinée et ses performances améliorées il est aujourd’hui l’avion le plus long au monde


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Published: April 30, 2014

The rumor, that rumor, without certainty or guarantee is probably the oldest in the world media. At home she is carving the lion's share and the corridors of the company are no exception to the rule.

So from Medina radio, it seems that in the near future our company will receive one of the jewels of the civil aviation ... The Boeing 747-8.

No matter that the information is not proved it, rumor has fulfilled his contract. This "information" circulating in its discretion and not just in the local RAM.

Truth or rumor of a complete fabrication time will tell, but the fact remains that this aircraft, which can carry 700 passengers in 8000 SL, is a gem of aviation.

With its extended its redesigned wing and fuselage improved performance it is now the longest plane in the world


http://www.ampl.ma/publications/arti...se-que-l-avion

Why it's possible:
- RAM and Boieng entered into a financial agreement whose terms are confidential due to delay in delivery of 787 RAM could have an estimated $ 360 million over 50% off list price
- Boieng has all the trouble to sell its 747 8I. VIP and cargo versions have sold better. The pace of the production chain have experienced several delays.







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Old September 21st, 2014, 01:41 AM   #1208
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September 2013 : Now we know that RAM 747-400 will be sold with the new cabin. Strong rumors for 747 8I 747-400 will be sold with is new cabine http://www.ampl.ma/publications/arti...se-que-l-avion Why it's possible: - RAM and Boieng entered into a financial agreement whose terms are confidential due to delay in delivery of 787 RAM could have an estimated $ 360 million over 50% off list price - Boieng has all the trouble to sell its 747 8I. VIP and cargo versions have sold better. The pace of the production chain have experienced several delays.
If ever the rumors are true, well, this is great news!
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Old September 26th, 2014, 03:12 AM   #1209
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So the rumors of Emirates pushing for a 380 NEO ..... and airbus is being pressure? I read a few articles about it today. So the rumors are now public.

If Emirates gets mad enough ... they may buy the 747-8i. 8i currently have the engines / fuel efficiency that they are looking for. That would be huge for Boeing!
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Old September 26th, 2014, 03:12 AM   #1210
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So the rumors of Emirates pushing for a 380 NEO ..... and airbus is being pressure? I read a few articles about it today. So the rumors are now public.

If Emirates gets mad enough ... they may buy the 747-8i. 8i currently have the engines / fuel efficiency that they are looking for. That would be huge for Boeing!
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Old September 26th, 2014, 06:55 AM   #1211
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If Emirates Buy it I would love to see B747-8i in Emirates Livery I am Big Fan Of Boeing And B747 Family !And Emirates Airline
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Old September 26th, 2014, 07:12 AM   #1212
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So the rumors of Emirates pushing for a 380 NEO ..... and airbus is being pressure? I read a few articles about it today. So the rumors are now public.

If Emirates gets mad enough ... they may buy the 747-8i. 8i currently have the engines / fuel efficiency that they are looking for. That would be huge for Boeing!
I don't think it will happen. It would be like David O'Leary buying from Toulouse...
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So the rumors of Emirates pushing for a 380 NEO ..... and airbus is being pressure? I read a few articles about it today. So the rumors are now public.

If Emirates gets mad enough ... they may buy the 747-8i. 8i currently have the engines / fuel efficiency that they are looking for. That would be huge for Boeing!
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Old September 26th, 2014, 04:27 PM   #1214
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How many orders of 748i are at this moment? I know that AirChina has order 748i but i don't know how.
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Old September 26th, 2014, 11:08 PM   #1215
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How many orders of 748i are at this moment? I know that AirChina has order 748i but i don't know how.
There arecurrently 51 -8I orders from Lufthansa, Boeing BBJ , Korean Air, Arik Air, Air China, Transaero Airline, and Unidentified Customer Total 51 Orders are in. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747-8
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Old September 26th, 2014, 11:13 PM   #1216
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The Unidentified Customer is actually Air China, there's no mystery order on the books.
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Old September 30th, 2014, 12:31 PM   #1217
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Speaking of Air China, the first 747-8I was delivered...


Source: http://www.newairplane.com/747/
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...747-8i-404269/
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Old October 1st, 2014, 01:20 AM   #1218
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I was reading articles about Air China and there relationship with Boeing. They stayed loyal and bought the 747-8i based on owning previous models.

You would think that the 8i would be selling more then what they are currently doing based on the fuel efficient technology. (New Wings, new engines, and new 787 interior).
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Incredible wings swing right after take-off !

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