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Old December 16th, 2014, 08:07 AM   #1361
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Currently there are 11 747's sitting at Paine Field or in Storage waiting to be finished and delivered.

6 747-8i and 5 747-8F's
It's interesting that there are more passenger version than the freight ones. I sometime hope that Garuda would purchse two of Boeing 747-8i (as well as two A380). But considering the recent economic condition, it seemed to be unlikely.
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Old December 16th, 2014, 09:11 AM   #1362
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It's interesting that there are more passenger version than the freight ones. I sometime hope that Garuda would purchse two of Boeing 747-8i (as well as two A380). But considering the recent economic condition, it seemed to be unlikely.
Agreed - Lufthansa and Air China are commited to the 747-8i. The last 4 were for Air China. Besides the 2 Korean Air in short term storage. The next 4 are for Ludthansa, then back to Air China.


D-ABYR Lufthansa Boeing 747-830 - C/N 37842 / LN 1511 is on the flight line after having it's instruments calibrated at the Compass Rose last night. It will have it's first flight unpainted before moving to the paint hanger.

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Old December 16th, 2014, 09:19 AM   #1363
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According to recent news .... the a380 program might fold.
According to recent news Airbus are launching the long awaited A380-800NEO & A380-900 program... Far from dead...
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Old December 16th, 2014, 11:18 AM   #1364
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You are probably right .... but if the 380 program gets canceled. i would make a bet Emirates would show some interest and maybe a few other airlines.

Right now, basically, slow down production of the 747 and let the program scrap by slowly and going almost minimum building speed. Then once 380 is canceled. See what airlines think of the 8i and can always increase production if needed.

Let´s do some math, shall we?

Airbus has still currently 171 A380s to deliver. That´s at least over 5 years of work at full production rate (30 airplanes per year).
(And even these assumed 5 years are very unlikely because the production rate is and will be much lower. So we should rather expect 7-8 years.)

While Boeing has currently only 39 747-8I/F to deliver. According to your brilliant plan Boeing would have to stretch the production of these 39 airplanes over more than 5 years. That´s impossible.

As you can see the 747-8 production will end waaaaaaaay before Airbus will even think about a production end for the A380.
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Old December 16th, 2014, 03:09 PM   #1365
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Airbus is already thinking about it, otherwise the CFO of the Airbus Group say so much. Will they actually end it? That's a whole different question, depending on how much it will cost to end production and also on the number of orders they will receive in the near future.

Boeing has the luxery that although the development of the 747-8 has cost them enough money, the maturity of the 747 production line is giving them low production costs. The A380 will only start to make money from next year, and only if they can keep on producing 30 a year. Something which will be difficult from 2018 when only the Emirates order remains to be delivered.

I do think the most likely outcome will be that Airbus will continue, even if it doesn't always make them money. But that's not dead certainty.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 09:00 AM   #1366
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B-2479 Air China Boeing 747-89L - C/N 41193 / LN 1510 on the flight line at night.

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Old December 17th, 2014, 02:16 PM   #1367
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Hmmm, interesting development here with regards to the A380. What Boeing could do is to just wait in the wings.
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Old December 18th, 2014, 08:28 AM   #1368
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Korean Airlines 747-8B5 C/N 40905 / LN 1506 In short term storage at the tower apron sans engines.

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Old December 19th, 2014, 07:42 AM   #1369
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B-2479 Air China Flew today.

B-2479 Air China Boeing 747-89L C/N 41193 / LN 1510 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

B-2479 Air China Boeing 747-89L C/N 41193 / LN 1510 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

B-2479 Air China Boeing 747-89L C/N 41193 / LN 1510 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

B-2479 Air China Boeing 747-89L C/N 41193 / LN 1510 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

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Old December 19th, 2014, 08:00 AM   #1370
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D-ABYR Lufthansa Boeing 747-830 - C/N 37842 / LN 1511 - First flight today.

D-ABYR Lufthansa Boeing 747-830 - C/N 37842 / LN 1511 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

D-ABYR Lufthansa Boeing 747-830 - C/N 37842 / LN 1511 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

D-ABYR Lufthansa Boeing 747-830 - C/N 37842 / LN 1511 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

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D-ABYR Lufthansa Boeing 747-830 - C/N 37842 / LN 1511 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr


And Air China's 747-8i taxing with Lufthansa's 747-8i doing a high speed taxi test.

D-ABYR Lufthansa Boeing 747-830 - C/N 37842 / LN 1511 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

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Old December 19th, 2014, 07:52 PM   #1371
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Hmmm, interesting development here with regards to the A380. What Boeing could do is to just wait in the wings.
I brought that point up earlier ...... but someone shot that idea down due to slots / building the planes at a certain rate.

I BELIEVE that Boeing will atleast get a few more airlines interested in the 747-8i due to the fact that the 380 is facing uncertainty.

Why would an airline gamble on the a380, when you might never get the plane delivered?

There is no guarantee I am right .... but I still think Boeings 747-8i will get more looks from potential airlines. Will it lead to more sales? Who knows ... it might.

Emirates was rumored with Boeing during the summer for the 8i ..... they might get pissed off at Airbus for not going NEO with the 380 and go to Boeing.

So who knows ..... time will tell.
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Old December 20th, 2014, 06:28 AM   #1372
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Another benefit of Boeing 747-8i when compared to A380: it doesn't require any upgrade on the airport. Any airport gate who can accommodate Boeing 747-400 can accommodate Boeing 747-8i.
However, very few airline actually demanded airplane larger than Boeing 777-300ER. And most of the time, instead of ordering anything larger than Boeing 777, they would prefer to add its number.
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Old December 20th, 2014, 08:17 AM   #1373
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Considering the lack if recent orders for the 747-8I and the A380 we can conclude that the demise of one of them won't have a positive effect on the sales of the other.
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Old December 20th, 2014, 01:06 PM   #1374
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D-ABYR basking in the sun today.

D-ABYR Lufthansa Boeing 747-830 - C/N 37842 / LN 1511 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

JA17KZ Nippon Cargo Airlines Boeing 747-8KZF - C/N 36140 / LN 1487 - Has been delivered and will be stored at Everett for the mean time.

JA17KZ Nippon Cargo Airlines Boeing 747-8KZF - C/N 36140 / LN 1487 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr


B-2479 Air China Boeing 747-89L - C/N 41193 / LN 1510

Back Left - Korean Air 747-8i in short term storage with no engines.

Back Right - Cargolux Freighter in short term storage.

The Second Korean Air 747-8i has been moved to the paint hanger.


3 747's by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr


D-ABYS Lufthansa Boeing 747-830 - C/N 37843 / LN 1512 - Rolled out of the factory tonight. This will be the 17th -8i for Lufthansa and be painted in a retro paint livery celebrating their 60th. Bottom picture shows D-ABYR still on the flight line

D-ABYS Lufthansa Boeing 747-830 - C/N 37843 / LN 1512 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

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Old December 20th, 2014, 03:14 PM   #1375
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I have a feeling that such livery actually belonged to 1970s or 1980s
I like it. At a time when other airlines are redesigning for wackiness, modernity and 'distinctiveness', they all end up very similar giving a clinical/dentist feel. Air China looks classic - timeless and the 747-8 looks great in it
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I brought that point up earlier ...... but someone shot that idea down due to slots / building the planes at a certain rate. I BELIEVE that Boeing will atleast get a few more airlines interested in the 747-8i due to the fact that the 380 is facing uncertainty. Why would an airline gamble on the a380, when you might never get the plane delivered? There is no guarantee I am right .... but I still think Boeings 747-8i will get more looks from potential airlines. Will it lead to more sales? Who knows ... it might. Emirates was rumored with Boeing during the summer for the 8i ..... they might get pissed off at Airbus for not going NEO with the 380 and go to Boeing. So who knows ..... time will tell.
Yeah. Saw your post on that one. Well, you are correct only time can tell.

I'm looking forward to see more intercontinental orders.

Just a question though, did Korean defer their 8i orders? Because they are the second one to order and Air China got their first one ahead.
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Korean Airs 747-8i LN 1506 was moved out of paint to the flight line. They periodically move them into and out of the paint hanger when they have 1 or 2 day gaps to touch up the protective coating.
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Yeah. Saw your post on that one. Well, you are correct only time can tell.

I'm looking forward to see more intercontinental orders.

Just a question though, did Korean defer their 8i orders? Because they are the second one to order and Air China got their first one ahead.
At the very least, if i was boeing. I would be pitching that same sales speech with the uncertainty of the a380 + 8i has the more fuel efficient engines and so on.

747 will never again make a roaring comeback into the skies, the 777x program will most likely kill is off. But for now, Boeing can atleast try to relaunch / pitch the 747-8i. It cant hurt!
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Just a question though, did Korean defer their 8i orders? Because they are the second one to order and Air China got their first one ahead.
Air China just bought earlier delivery slots, which were of course readily available for the 747-8.
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