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Old December 31st, 2014, 11:25 AM   #1401
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There are unconfirmed rumors on some aviation news websites that Transaero has cancelled their A380 and 747-8I orders because of financial issues caused by Russia's economic troubles.

"Not clear at the moment is the status of Transaero’s orders for four 747-8 passenger aircraft with Boeing and four A380s with Airbus. Cargo Facts has been told that the carrier cancelled both orders, but this has not been confirmed."
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If not cancelled the orders will most be deferred until the Russian tourist market starts to grow again.
I believe it would be very difficult for the frames to be cancelled at this point, since the first 380 is scheduled for delivery in 2015 and the first two 747-8s are scheduled for delivery in 2015 as well.

I would suspect that if anything were to happen, it would be a deferral of some kind instead of an outright cancellation, unless things get far worse than they currently are.
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Old December 31st, 2014, 12:09 PM   #1402
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It's very simple, if you don't pay you won't get an airplane.

The 747 can easily be cancelled as they are not in production. For the A380 Airbus has already started building parts for the 1 frame they should get in 2015. It depends on how far they are if it will be a problem for Airbus.
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Old December 31st, 2014, 06:39 PM   #1403
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It's very simple, if you don't pay you won't get an airplane.

The 747 can easily be cancelled as they are not in production. For the A380 Airbus has already started building parts for the 1 frame they should get in 2015. It depends on how far they are if it will be a problem for Airbus.
While I agree with the statement that they won't get planes if they don't pay, the reason I suspect a deferral is likely is because I believe parts have been made for both the 380 and the 747-8s. The first UN 747-8i is 3 planes away from entering the FAL. The 2nd frame is 7 away. I would be surprised if nothing has been manufactured yet.

Now, if they do defer, who knows what will happen to the frames. Perhaps UN will try to place them with another carrier somehow. Anything can happen though, especially if they are in active negotiations with Boeing and Airbus right now.
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Old January 1st, 2015, 05:34 AM   #1404
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747 will never again make a roaring comeback into the skies, the 777x program will most likely kill is off. But for now, Boeing can atleast try to relaunch / pitch the 747-8i. It cant hurt!
Which is probably why the Air Force is moving up its purchase of an Air Force One replacement from 2021 to 2016, with delivery in 2018.
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Old January 1st, 2015, 08:07 AM   #1405
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I wouldn't be surprised if Boeing isn't even trying to sell the -8i anymore.
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Old January 1st, 2015, 08:40 AM   #1406
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It would be fitting if Boeing were to end the 747 program altogether on either of these two dates:

February 9, 2019 (fifty years after first flight)

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January 22, 2020 (fifty years after first entering service with Pan-Am)
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Old January 1st, 2015, 10:35 AM   #1407
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That'd be fitting, and knowing Boeing's penchant for dates (7/8/7 debacle anyone), they just might do it.

Problem is, there may still be a chance for 8F to have more orders. But 8i would be long dead by then.
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Old January 1st, 2015, 11:44 AM   #1408
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People the life line of the 747 will be based on economics/supply, an demand. It's a business after all.

Let's not get to philosophical.
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Old January 1st, 2015, 09:08 PM   #1409
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Before they shut it down, the Air Force should by a couple of 8Is to replace the current VC25As. Probably the perfect aircraft for it. The could be the VC25B.

And, on a completely different subject. I know the 8I has been a bit of a dud, mainly on efficiency issues (since it a four holer in the age of two holers.) I have to wonder what the market would be for a plane in the form factor of the 8I, but done in 787 technology (ie two engine, carbon fiber construction, bleedless all electric systems, etc.)? Such a plane would probably have fabulous economics, combining the economy of scale the 747 always enjoyed, with the efficiency of modern techology. I know it doesn't play on Boeing's emphasis on point to point vs hub and spoke routing. But the hubs aren't going away.

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Old January 1st, 2015, 09:22 PM   #1410
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It's no coincidence that just a couple of weeks ago the news was reported that the US government is moving up the decision for the replacement. The current schedule is to place the order in 2016 and take delivery in 2018. I don't think we should look too much into it, but now we can be sure that a possible termination of the 747 production won't effect this order.
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Old January 1st, 2015, 11:28 PM   #1411
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That'd be fitting, and knowing Boeing's penchant for dates (7/8/7 debacle anyone), they just might do it.

Problem is, there may still be a chance for 8F to have more orders. But 8i would be long dead by then.
In the name of cost-cutting and efficiency, airliners are more likely to store cargo in the belly of passenger jets.

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Old January 2nd, 2015, 05:34 AM   #1412
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Where is Air China and Korean Air planning on using those new 747-8s? Mainly trans-Pacific routes to Vancouver, Seattle, San Francisco, and/or Los Angeles?

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Old January 2nd, 2015, 09:26 AM   #1413
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Where is Air China and Korean Air planning on using those new 747-8s? Mainly trans-Pacific routes to Vancouver, Seattle, San Francisco, and/or Los Angeles?
The first two international routes that Air China has announced are to JFK and SFO. Korean Air are slated to receive their first frame early in 2015, so I don't believe they have announced anything specific to the 747-8 as of yet.
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Old January 2nd, 2015, 11:10 AM   #1414
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The old Seahawks 747-8F - Picture was taken while it was at Victorville this past summer before being flown to Everett. Sat at Everett for a few months and then eventually ending up in Pinal Park for long term storage.

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Old January 2nd, 2015, 02:11 PM   #1415
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The old Seahawks 747-8F - Picture was taken while it was at Victorville this past summer before being flown to Everett. Sat at Everett for a few months and then eventually ending up in Pinal Park for long term storage.

Boeing | 747-87UF | N770BA | KVCV by SBGrad, on Flickr
Such a sad sighting having to see such a young bird in long term storage
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 03:55 PM   #1416
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Such a sad sighting having to see such a young bird in long term storage
The Airbus A300s used to suffer the same fate when they were introduced in 1970s.
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Old January 4th, 2015, 02:00 AM   #1417
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D-ABYR Lufthansa Boeing 747-830 - C/N 37842 / LN 1511 has been moved into the paint hanger at KPAE.
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Flying 747-8 tomorrow for the first time with Lufthansa from FRA to LAX. Looking forward to see how the upper deck experience compares to that on the old KLM 747.
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Old January 5th, 2015, 11:40 AM   #1419
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Probably it is already asked but why Lufthansa is the only airliner that have bought so many -8i?
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Boeing Everett Flight Update 1.5.2015

D-ABYS Lufthansa Boeing 747-830 - C/N 37843 / LN 1512 - Special 60th Livery still sits at the fuel dock.

Fuel Dock 1.5.2015 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

LX-VCL Cargolux Airlines International Boeing 747-8R7F - C/N 35823 / LN 1504 was moved from the tower apron to the flight line.

LX-VCL Cargolux Airlines International Boeing 747-8R7F - C/N 35823 / LN 1504 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

LX-VCL Cargolux Airlines International Boeing 747-8R7F - C/N 35823 / LN 1504 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

HL- Korean Airlines Boeing 747-8B5 - C/N 40905 / LN 1506 was moved to another spot on the flight line. Still absent engines.

HL- Korean Airlines Boeing 747-8B5 - C/N 40905 / LN 1506 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

In the picture below you can see HL- Korean Airlines Boeing 747-8B5 - C/N 40906 / LN 1509 is still at the tower apron in storage.

N112FE Federal Express (FedEx) Boeing 767-3S2F(ER) - C/N 43543 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

D-ABYR Lufthansa Boeing 747-830 - C/N 37842 / LN 1511 is in paint.

JA17KZ Nippon Cargo Airlines Boeing 747-8KZF - C/N 36140 / LN 1487 still remains on the flight line awaiting flyaway date.
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