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Old June 5th, 2015, 01:37 AM   #1741
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I have an Idea Boeing can make a Double Decker like the A380 But with much powerful Engines not 4 but only 2 Engines that are fuel efficient as well. something like this
I dont think airlines want that many passengers on one plane ..... smaller planes with more flights each day gives the passengers more flexibility to leave for their destination.
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Old June 5th, 2015, 01:00 PM   #1742
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The idea is good, but no need for a full length upper deck. Without the classic shape, it wouldn't be a 747. Just another plane.
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Sorta, maybe, kinda, not really. It's still four engine. It's still mostly aluminum. It's still using bleed air (I don't know how much a difference that makes.) I think they need a new, tires up design, getting the enter 787 technology set, but using the same form factor and passenger count as the -400 and -800.

Of course this would bump into the market for the 777Xs.

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Well, the 747-8 is, by most measures, a pretty new variant. The addition of some FBW, a new super-critical wing, integration of composites, new and larger windows, and of course the brand new engines.
I agree with this. Even if more efficient, no one but EK seems all that wild about the A380 form factor. The existing 747 found how big is big enough.

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Old June 7th, 2015, 03:20 PM   #1744
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Sorta, maybe, kinda, not really. It's still four engine. It's still mostly aluminum. It's still using bleed air (I don't know how much a difference that makes.) I think they need a new, tires up design, getting the enter 787 technology set, but using the same form factor and passenger count as the -400 and -800.

Of course this would bump into the market for the 777Xs.



I agree with this. Even if more efficient, no one but EK seems all that wild about the A380 form factor. The existing 747 found how big is big enough.
I think its something make a combination future md12 thats have a similarities with a380 but in order to efficiency of fuel the thrust maybe same with 777,
It was something combination beetween A380 neo with 777x that can be kill 777 or 787
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Old June 11th, 2015, 07:26 AM   #1745
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Sorta, maybe, kinda, not really. It's still four engine. It's still mostly aluminum. It's still using bleed air (I don't know how much a difference that makes.) I think they need a new, tires up design, getting the enter 787 technology set, but using the same form factor and passenger count as the -400 and -800.

Of course this would bump into the market for the 777Xs.



I agree with this. Even if more efficient, no one but EK seems all that wild about the A380 form factor. The existing 747 found how big is big enough.
Boeing knew the way of the future was 787 ..... but i think they also thought the 8i would be fuel efficient / modern enough to steal some of the A380 orders. Which kind of backfired but hey ... they still have the 8F version that is somewhat selling.

Boeing read the market way better then airbus. Even if the 8i didnt do as well as intended sales wise.
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Old June 14th, 2015, 07:54 PM   #1747
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There was no ceremony as the delivery of the Lufthansa retro 747-8I took place days after the Germanwings A320 crash.
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Old June 15th, 2015, 12:16 AM   #1748
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Old June 17th, 2015, 10:48 AM   #1749
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Only orders can save the 747 project, especially this kind of orders.

The Volga Dnepr Group from Russia, the parent company of AirBridgeCargo has signed a MoU for 20 747-8Fs.


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Boeing Expands Volga Dnepr Group’s 747-8 Fleet, Includes Antonov 124 in Logistics Program

LE BOURGET, France, June 17, 2015 – Boeing (NYSE:BA) and Volga-Dnepr Group, a world leader in transportation of unique, oversize and heavy cargo, have signed a Memorandum of Understanding to further the Group’s fleet expansion with 20 additional 747-8 Freighters, valued at $7.4 billion at list prices.

The agreement also adds the Antonov-124-100 aircraft to the long-term logistics support for Boeing and its partners.

Boeing and Volga Dnepr have a long history of successful partnership. The Group has already supported Boeing in a number of shipments. The unique technical abilities of the Antonov 124-100, along with Volga-Dnepr's 25 years of global operations and experience gained in transportation of aviation equipment, will further serve Boeing's logistics needs.

“Together with Boeing, we will keep the unique technology of air logistics offering both the Antonov-124-100 and our expanded Boeing 747 fleet for the benefits of global customers," said Alexey Isaikin, president, Volga-Dnepr Group.

“Our partnership with Volga-Dnepr Group is one of a kind,” said Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and CEO Ray Conner. “Volga-Dnepr Group is a world-class cargo carrier and an outstanding service provider. We appreciate their confidence in the 747-8 Freighter.”

For Volga Dnepr Group, adding more 747-8 Freighters will allow development of the Group's scheduled business, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC), and keep the airline's high growth rates. Volga-Dnepr Group was the first to order the Boeing 747-8 Freighter in Russia and took delivery of its first 747-8 Freighter in 2012. These additional 20 airplanes will be acquired through a mix of direct purchases and leasing over the next seven years.
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This should other airlines with large 747-400 freighter fleets the confidence that the program is safe. Maybe we will see Singapore Airlines and China Airlines orders for the 747-8F soon.
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I wonder if white tails will be included in that order.
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Old June 17th, 2015, 11:17 AM   #1751
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I wonder if white tails will be included in that order.
It's possible, however there are only the 4 Asiana NTUs and the 1 remaining Atlas NTU. Of those, Silk Way will likely take one this year, and the UFO that Boeing announced a couple of weeks ago may be another one if it is to be delivered this year.

The MoU still needs to be firmed up, but it is interesting that they are mixing between direct purchases and leases. Also, the deliveries would be over the next 7 years.
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There were rumors or reports that Asiana was going to take deliveries of some 747-8Fs not too long ago. An official report never surfaced from Boeing or Asiana. I am surprised that Singapore and Asiana haven't ordered any 8Fs yet given how big their freighter fleets are. Silk Way and Boeing announced a couple weeks ago that Silk Way was going to take two more 8Fs to go along with their current fleet.
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There were rumors or reports that Asiana was going to take deliveries of some 747-8Fs not too long ago. An official report never surfaced from Boeing or Asiana. I am surprised that Singapore and Asiana haven't ordered any 8Fs yet given how big their freighter fleets are. Silk Way and Boeing announced a couple weeks ago that Silk Way was going to take two more 8Fs to go along with their current fleet.

There is a 8F in Silk Way colors about to roll out of the factory in a few weeks.
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There is a 8F in Silk Way colors about to roll out of the factory in a few weeks.
Nice! That is most likely Line 1520 I assume, which is one of the Asiana NTUs.

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There were rumors or reports that Asiana was going to take deliveries of some 747-8Fs not too long ago. An official report never surfaced from Boeing or Asiana. I am surprised that Singapore and Asiana haven't ordered any 8Fs yet given how big their freighter fleets are. Silk Way and Boeing announced a couple weeks ago that Silk Way was going to take two more 8Fs to go along with their current fleet.
Boeing built 4 Asiana frames it seems, basically on spec, assuming that the deal would get done late last year. It fell through, but the rumors are that it was very close to happening, and may still happen in some form going forward.

Silk Way, earlier this year, ordered 3 frames, the first of which will be delivered this year.

I do feel that there are several operators of 744Fs that are still out there that will be potential orders for both replacement and growth. You mention a couple. I would think China Airlines is another big one.
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Nice! That is most likely Line 1520 I assume, which is one of the Asiana NTUs.



Boeing built 4 Asiana frames it seems, basically on spec, assuming that the deal would get done late last year. It fell through, but the rumors are that it was very close to happening, and may still happen in some form going forward.

Silk Way, earlier this year, ordered 3 frames, the first of which will be delivered this year.

I do feel that there are several operators of 744Fs that are still out there that will be potential orders for both replacement and growth. You mention a couple. I would think China Airlines is another big one.
LN 1520 rolled out on 6/2 and was with a white rudder and in storage on the flight line. LN 1521 is the next to roll out and is in Silk Way colors.
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LN 1520 rolled out on 6/2 and was with a white rudder and in storage on the flight line. LN 1521 is the next to roll out and is in Silk Way colors.
Ah, I did see that, I simply forgot. It's been a long week already. Thanks for the clarification!
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While Airbus A380 program is currently struggling (no new orders), its rival (the Boeing 747-8) receive massive order. Boeing 747's biggest order in 25 years as they said. Amounting 20 aircrafts (all Boeing 747-8F) valued around $ 3.8 billion

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While Airbus A380 program is currently struggling (no new orders), its rival (the Boeing 747-8) receive massive order. Boeing 747's biggest order in 25 years as they said. Amounting 20 aircrafts (all Boeing 747-8F) valued around $ 3.8 billion

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http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/n...html?ana=yahoo
While it is *equal* to the largest order in 25 years, it should be noted that: a) it is only an MoU right now b) Lufthansa's order of 20 747-8 Intercontinentals matches it, and it was less than 25 years ago c) this order may not be firmed as a single batch of 20

Whatever the case, good news for the 747-8 program.
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I Wish Big Airlines Like British Airways Singapore Airline Delta United Airline Can order at least some B747-8I 5-6 to replace old B747-400
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