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Old July 20th, 2015, 03:14 PM   #1821
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Old July 20th, 2015, 05:12 PM   #1822
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Any news about the progress of Korean Air's Boeing 747-8i?
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Old July 20th, 2015, 08:47 PM   #1823
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Any news about the progress of Korean Air's Boeing 747-8i?
She appears to be prepped for first flight. Hopefully that happens this week! 747classic has reported that she is scheduled for delivery around August 25th, so we should see her in the air a few times before that.
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Old July 20th, 2015, 09:07 PM   #1824
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Korean Air 747-8i HL-7630 LN 1506 is scheduled for a B1 today.

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Old July 21st, 2015, 02:15 AM   #1825
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Old July 21st, 2015, 04:29 AM   #1826
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Finally we get to see Boeing 747-8i in color other than Lufthansa, factory color, or chartered airlines.
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Old July 21st, 2015, 05:11 AM   #1827
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You forgot about Air China...

B-2487 Air China Boeing 747-89L - C/N 44932 / LN 1508 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

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State of Kuwait 747-8i (9K-GAA) by Daniel Gorun, on Flickr
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Old July 21st, 2015, 06:58 AM   #1828
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You forgot about Air China...
Oh yess,, sorry
But the Kuwaiti Boeing 747-8i is actually doesn't belong to the airline.
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Old July 21st, 2015, 08:21 AM   #1830
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Now I was wondering: if Korean Air's Boeing 747-8i proved to be a success, would it influence Cathay Pacific to order similar planes?
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Old July 21st, 2015, 09:34 AM   #1831
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Now I was wondering: if Korean Air's Boeing 747-8i proved to be a success, would it influence Cathay Pacific to order similar planes?
I don't think Cathay is even considering the 747-8i. First, they have always said they are not interested in 4-engine passenger planes. The only reason why they would order a 4-engine plane is in case of slot constraint. And if that happens, they would logically order the biggest airplane in the market, giving the a380 a bigger chance of getting ordered than the 787-8i.

Unlike many airlines, Cathay is in my opinion an airline that is very serious (maybe the most serious one) about fleet simplification. Meaning that if there is no major need for a new aircraft type, they wouldn't order it. And capacity-wise, the difference between the 777-300ER and the 747-8i is not that significant, let alone the 777X (which Cathay already has on order) and 747-8i.
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Old July 21st, 2015, 05:50 PM   #1832
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Hmm, yes I remember back in mid 1990s, when they introduced Airbus A330 in their fleet, Cathay Pacific claimed that in the future their planes would only came from two marquees: Airbus and Boeing.
Back then many major Airlines didn't just operate planes from two of them but also from other brands such as McDonnell Douglas, Fokker, or even Lockheed!
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I don't think Cathay is even considering the 747-8i. First, they have always said they are not interested in 4-engine passenger planes. The only reason why they would order a 4-engine plane is in case of slot constraint. And if that happens, they would logically order the biggest airplane in the market, giving the a380 a bigger chance of getting ordered than the 787-8i.
Well I would add that the Boeing 747-8I does have an advantage over the A380-800 in that the plane can carry more cargo capacity compared to the passenger capacity. However the launch of a extended A380neo would change that.

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Unlike many airlines, Cathay is in my opinion an airline that is very serious (maybe the most serious one) about fleet simplification. Meaning that if there is no major need for a new aircraft type, they wouldn't order it. And capacity-wise, the difference between the 777-300ER and the 747-8i is not that significant, let alone the 777X (which Cathay already has on order) and 747-8i.
Well they are still going to be operating 747s (in cargo roles) into the near future. So technically they would not be adding an additional fleet type and the A340s are on their way out as well.
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 05:18 AM   #1834
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LN1521 RC674 VQ-BWY for SilkWay Airlines (last Asiana NTU frame) B1 flight:
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 11:23 AM   #1835
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Well I would add that the Boeing 747-8I does have an advantage over the A380-800 in that the plane can carry more cargo capacity compared to the passenger capacity. However the launch of a extended A380neo would change that.



Well they are still going to be operating 747s (in cargo roles) into the near future. So technically they would not be adding an additional fleet type and the A340s are on their way out as well.
Cathay had been a strong rumor to get the 747-8i a long time ago. With their order of the 779X, it seems that is probably water under the bridge, however there is still always the chance that they could pick some up in the short term, especially since they operate a large 747-8F fleet.

In fact, there is a new CX freighter frame on the firing line that they have not yet officially ordered, and this is at least the second time they have done something like this, so perhaps they could sneak an Intercontinental order in.

Regarding the 380neo, it is still very ill-defined at the moment. If they don't do a stretch, it won't help cargo (or casm) any, other than what the engines and perhaps aerodynamic tweaks provide.

To clarify the cargo element, if they do a small stretch, one has to still account for the extra passengers that the small stretch adds, so the net gain in terms of cargo capacity would be ~2 LD3 positions. This would give the 380 10, compared to the 747-8i's 18, or the 77W's 26.
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Cathay had been a strong rumor to get the 747-8i a long time ago. With their order of the 779X, it seems that is probably water under the bridge, however there is still always the chance that they could pick some up in the short term, especially since they operate a large 747-8F fleet.
I would agree that the prospects of a 747-8 order have fallen once they ended up ordering the 777-9X (despite having orders for the A350-1000).

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In fact, there is a new CX freighter frame on the firing line that they have not yet officially ordered, and this is at least the second time they have done something like this, so perhaps they could sneak an Intercontinental order in.
Perhaps they could order a few for slot-limited routes such as LHR-HKG. They have said on the record they want to increase their daily frequencies but have found it hard to get the slots for it. So to increase capacity perhaps they could deploy Boeing 747-8Is for such routes, they could also be used to flights to Australia as well due to frequency limitations.

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Regarding the 380neo, it is still very ill-defined at the moment. If they don't do a stretch, it won't help cargo (or casm) any, other than what the engines and perhaps aerodynamic tweaks provide.
I am on the understanding that the A380neo will indeed be extended from its current length, CX I recall said that they would not onder the A380-800 but they might order a longer A380.

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To clarify the cargo element, if they do a small stretch, one has to still account for the extra passengers that the small stretch adds, so the net gain in terms of cargo capacity would be ~2 LD3 positions. This would give the 380 10, compared to the 747-8i's 18, or the 77W's 26.
How much of a stretch would you be talking about? I had in mind that they might extend it to 79-80 meters although EK might want 85 meters considering their demands.
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I was in the factory on Sunday and Transaero's 2nd is almost done and about to roll out. Korean's 3rd -8 was doing gear checks and their 4th was in the Wing/Body Joining Rack.
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Old July 22nd, 2015, 08:02 PM   #1838
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Do you got pictures of that inside tour ? woody
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Do you got pictures of that inside tour ? woody
I don't - as Boeing has a strict No Photo policy. I couldn't bring my camera. But the British Airlines reps where using their iphones, etc to grab shots. Since they are the customer, they didn't stop them.
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