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Old August 27th, 2015, 01:42 AM   #1901
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...ussian-economy

Boeing has confirmed at the Russian Air Show Transaero will be getting they're 748's this year.
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Old August 27th, 2015, 02:56 AM   #1902
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Boeing has confirmed at the Russian Air Show Transaero will be getting they're 748's this year.

Both are on target for December deliveries.
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Old August 27th, 2015, 05:49 AM   #1903
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Both are on target for December deliveries.
I know that the Bloomberg article came out today and that you updated those dates for the frames today as well. How does this fit with the UN DCEO a couple of weeks ago stating that they were going to take their first frames in 2016?

Do you feel that the Boeing dates are correct? Or is it more likely that the negotiations are still underway regarding possibly pushing those frames out?

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Old August 27th, 2015, 06:30 AM   #1904
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I know that the Bloomberg article came out today and that you updated those dates for the frames today as well. How does this fit with the UN DCEO a couple of weeks ago stating that they were going to take their first frames in 2016?

Do you feel that the Boeing dates are correct? Or is it more likely that the negotiations are still underway regarding possibly pushing those frames out?

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Currently per my source, the Boeing ACT states Dec 1 3015 delivery estimated.
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Old August 28th, 2015, 12:15 PM   #1905
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I thought the planned routes had changed, with FRA being the first KE route, and SIN being the second.

Did it change again?
Actually you are correct, when I first read about what KE plans where for the 747-8 they did indeed state that LHR would be their first destination (Currently they serve LHR with 777-300ERs), however they changed their minds on this and recently switched it to FRA, while of course they have also stated SIN and SFO would also receive the 747-8 (All Star Hubs funny enough).

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I do agree, that hopefully LHR does receive the 747-8i in the future!
Hopefully Korean Air would finally launch 747-8I flights to Heathrow sooner or later. Otherwise the only other airline that would launch such flights is Air China* who currently serve Heathrow twice daily on the 777-300ER and A330 respectively.

Funny enough Frankfurt is the only European Airport that is served by the 747-8I.

*Who use the plane on flights to Chengdu, Frankfurt, Guangzhou, New York, Shanghai, San Francisco and Chongqing
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Old August 29th, 2015, 10:23 PM   #1906
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Air China uses the B747-8I to San Francisco as it has quite a huge demand from Beijing. Prior to the upgrade, the airline used the B77W (777-300ER) to SFO, and before that, it used the B747-400 on a regular basis.

And speaking of the B747-8I, San Francisco will receive a second daily B747-8I operation from Korean Air, in which it will be introduced 1 November 2015. Initially 4x weekly (x135), it will be made into a daily from 3 December 2015, replacing the B777s (-200ER and -300ER). Schedule:

KE023 ICN1610 – 0935SFO 74H D
KE024 SFO1135 – 1730+1ICN 74H D

In this case, SFO will receive a much newer aircraft than LAX (with the A380). And I will be super excited to see that aircraft in person!

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Old August 29th, 2015, 10:31 PM   #1907
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And speaking of B747s at SFO...

British Airways B747-400 (reg. G-CIVX)


IMG_3454 by Anthony Nachor, on Flickr

KLM Royal Dutch B747-400 (M) (reg. PH-BFB)


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Virgin Atlantic B747-400 (reg. G-VHOT)


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Old August 29th, 2015, 11:04 PM   #1908
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Currently per my source, the Boeing ACT states Dec 1 3015 delivery estimated.
I understand. I guess with UN still saying that they are deferring to 2016, I was wondering if the assignment of a delivery date was simply negotiations going on in the public between the two parties, or, if it is a good sign that the rumors that TK was looking at leasing the 2 UN frames as part of a trial or something larger.

The most recent mention of the leasing option was in an article yesterday:

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...-boeing-747-8i
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Old August 29th, 2015, 11:41 PM   #1909
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December 2015 and 2016 are not that far apart, they only have to deffer 1 month to bring into 2016. It could even be the case that they take delivery in December and only start putting them in revenue service a couple of months later.


As for Turkish Airlines, there have been too many rumors about A380 and 747-8 orders or (temporary) lease deals, it very hard to take those seriously anymore. I will believe it when we got confirmation that a seal is singed on the dotted line, and even then...
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Old August 31st, 2015, 04:19 AM   #1910
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How many units did Transaero ordered?, BTW?

It looks like TK's name surfaced again with the 748i. I really do hope that they make up their mind about it. This issue has been dragging on lately. Lol

Nice to see Korean Air's B748i.
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How many units did Transaero ordered?, BTW?

It looks like TK's name surfaced again with the 748i. I really do hope that they make up their mind about it. This issue has been dragging on lately. Lol

Nice to see Korean Air's B748i.
They have 4 on order.

Transaero Airlines (Russian Federation)

Model Series Eng First Order Orders Deliveries Unfilled First Delivery
-747-8 GE 27-Dec-2013 4 0 4

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Old September 2nd, 2015, 05:35 AM   #1912
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They have 4 on order.

Transaero Airlines (Russian Federation)

Model Series Eng First Order Orders Deliveries Unfilled First Delivery
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Aeroflot is buying Transaero.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...ggest-airlines

Now we will have to wait and see what happens to the Transaero 748's
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 05:54 AM   #1913
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Aeroflot is buying Transaero. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...ggest-airlines Now we will have to wait and see what happens to the Transaero 748's
& A380's too...
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 08:09 AM   #1914
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The A380s would be a simple cancellation without any consequences for Airbus.

The 747 order is in that sense more interesting as Boeing already built 2 for them.

For now it's being said that Transaero remains a separate airline, the order will remains for Transaero (if it's not cancelled under the new management). In that sense this take over could be positive for Boeing, as the alternative was a bankruptcy. Which would have meant a certain cancellation.

The main difference for Boeing will be that negotiations about outstanding orders from Aeroflot and Transaero will now be done together for the 2 airlines. Making it even more political. That will make it harder to predict what will happen will all the outstanding orders from the 2 airlines with Boeing and Airbus.
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 09:36 AM   #1915
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HL7631 Korean LN1509 was moved back into 40-22 tonight.

HL7631 Korean Air Lines Boeing 747-8 - C/N 40906 / LN 1509 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 10:21 AM   #1916
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Unlike other airliners, British Airways does not have any intention of retiring its (remaining) 747-400 fleet anytime soon:

British Airways just can't get enough of Boeing's 747



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If it's the end of the line for Boeing's 747 jetliner, nobody told British Airways.

The largest operator of the hump-backed icon - dubbed the Queen of the Skies on its debut in 1970 - is plumping up seat cushions, hanging fresh curtains and upgrading entertainment systems on 18 planes. Yet competitors can't seem to park the four-engine aircraft fast enough.

Upgrading the best-selling 747-400 version of the jumbo bucks a wave of retirements that have cast doubt on the model's future, with Singapore Airlines and Japan Airlines, which once vied with BA for the title of No. 1 operator, ending flights more than three years ago. Demand for the latest 747-8 variant has also faded as airlines prefer leaner twin-jet types.

A clue to BA's lingering love affair with the 747 lies in the model's ability to eke out capacity from scarce operating slots at its London Heathrow hub at a time when lower fuel prices make retaining older planes an option. The revamped jets, the first of which returns next month from a refit centre in Cardiff, Wales, will also get 16 extra business-class seats, aiding deployment on lucrative trans-Atlantic services.

"It makes hard business sense," JLS Consulting Director John Strickland said. "These aircraft have a lot of life in them and can be used in very effective commercial ways. Given the capacity constraints at Heathrow and the high demand they have on certain routes, it's still a very good model."
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Air China uses the B747-8I to San Francisco as it has quite a huge demand from Beijing. Prior to the upgrade, the airline used the B77W (777-300ER) to SFO, and before that, it used the B747-400 on a regular basis.
I can see why, not only do you have the large Chinese Community in the Bay Area (or so it seemed when I visited recently) but you also have the United Airlines Hub there as well (which is in the same alliance as Air China).

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As for Turkish Airlines, there have been too many rumors about A380 and 747-8 orders or (temporary) lease deals, it very hard to take those seriously anymore. I will believe it when we got confirmation that a seal is singed on the dotted line, and even then...
As I have said before, there is zero point buying or leasing either plane when IST cannot cope with the aircraft when it lands. Thus you will have to wait until the new airport opens until 2017 at least before we see TK flying such planes. When they decide to do so then these planes might be the sort TK ends up leasing.

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Aeroflot is buying Transaero.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-01/aeroflot-to-buy-transaero-in-tie-up-of-russia-s-biggest-airlines

Now we will have to wait and see what happens to the Transaero 748's
Bear in mind that if Aeroflot and Transsero are going to be consolidating their operations then they need to consolidate their hubs in Moscow (SU is based in SVO, UN is based in VKO). This would mean some flights would have to be consolidated and thus there might be a use for the 747-8. Especially since 2 have already been built.
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Boeing booked a cancellation for 4 747s on September 1st.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/#/orders-deliveries



The cancellation is not yet listed in the August totals, there for it had to be on the 1st day of the month. They didn't announce who cancelled, or if it was a 747-8I or -8F. But it's most likely Transaero, the only other airlines that can cancel 4 are Korean Air and NCA.
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Boeing booked a cancellation for 4 747s on September 1st.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/#/orders-deliveries



The cancellation is not yet listed in the August totals, there for it had to be on the 1st day of the month. They didn't announce who cancelled, or if it was a 747-8I or -8F. But it's most likely Transaero, the only other airlines that can cancel 4 are Korean Air and NCA.
I'd say Aeroflot...
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