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Old September 3rd, 2015, 07:54 PM   #1921
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Boeing booked a cancellation for 4 747s on September 1st.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/#/orders-deliveries



The cancellation is not yet listed in the August totals, there for it had to be on the 1st day of the month. They didn't announce who cancelled, or if it was a 747-8I or -8F. But it's most likely Transaero, the only other airlines that can cancel 4 are Korean Air and NCA.
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 08:32 PM   #1922
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That makes sense.

The timing for a Transaero cancellation would have been too perfect right after the news of the take-over.

And NCA's order always was a bit too large for their needs. I'm not surprised that they cancelled, after already having deferred their delivery slots several times. And the reality is also that if they still want more later they can always order some more without having to wait too long for the deliveries.
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Old September 5th, 2015, 11:42 AM   #1923
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Unlike other airliners, British Airways does not have any intention of retiring its (remaining) 747-400 fleet anytime soon:
This might serve as a proof that for some airline, Airbus A380 is too big while Boeing 777-300ER is too small for their demands
Although BA actually have both types, aside of their elderly Boeing 747-400

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Boeing booked a cancellation for 4 747s on September 1st.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/#/orders-deliveries
Is it due to the rising value of US Dollar?
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Old September 6th, 2015, 02:32 AM   #1924
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Malaysia Airlines 9M-MPR Boeing 747-4H6F

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Old September 8th, 2015, 06:25 AM   #1925
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@airlineroute: DELTA Plans 747-400 Seattle - Tokyo Narita Service in late-Nov 2015 ✈ http://t.co/M257Wr5GrX
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Old September 9th, 2015, 02:07 AM   #1926
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@airlineroute: DELTA Plans 747-400 Seattle - Tokyo Narita Service in late-Nov 2015 ✈ http://t.co/M257Wr5GrX
That is good to see! I am kinda shocked airlines dont do what British Airlines is doing with their 747s. They are upgrading and modernizing them and prolonging their shelf life. Like Delta could easily do it.
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Old September 9th, 2015, 11:40 PM   #1927
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First 747-400 ever built was retired yesterday. It will be preserved in Delta Museum.
Line Number 696, registered as N401PW during Boeing test flight program. First flight April 29th 1988

N401PW_0404 by Mike Head - Jetwashphotos, on Flickr


Northwest Airlines Boeing 747-451 (N661US/23719/696) by contri, on Flickr

Painted in Delta livery after merge:

N661US Delta Air Lines (NW) by Pieter van Marion, on Flickr
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Old September 10th, 2015, 03:05 AM   #1928
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First 747-400 ever built was retired yesterday. It will be preserved in Delta Museum. Line Number 696, registered as N401PW during Boeing test flight program. First flight April 29th 1988 N401PW_0404 by Mike Head - Jetwashphotos, on Flickr Northwest Airlines Boeing 747-451 (N661US/23719/696) by contri, on Flickr Painted in Delta livery after merge: N661US Delta Air Lines (NW) by Pieter van Marion, on Flickr
Would be nice to have her preserved wearing her original Northwest scheme.
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Old September 10th, 2015, 11:11 AM   #1929
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And NCA's order always was a bit too large for their needs. I'm not surprised that they cancelled, after already having deferred their delivery slots several times. And the reality is also that if they still want more later they can always order some more without having to wait too long for the deliveries.
This is definitely true. I do think that the low fuel prices, and perhaps the still slow cargo recovery, has helped them decide that they could keep 4 744Fs running for now instead of phasing them out for new frames. They seem to imply as much in a recent short interview.

If it changes again, as you said, they can probably get the 747-8 quickly, however their statements make it seem like they don't need more in the near term, beyond the remaining 2 they have on order.

On a related note, this article popped up a few days ago covering the ABC 20 frame order, and how it may be utilized in their growth plans going forward.

http://aircargoworld.com/can-it-real...s-easy-as-abc/

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Old September 10th, 2015, 04:18 PM   #1930
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EI-MOW Transaero (Aeroflot) LN1519 was moved from tower apron to Stall 120 yesterday. A source inside is telling me these either might get cancelled or be painted in Aeroflot Livery.

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Old September 11th, 2015, 02:09 AM   #1931
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Malaysia Airlines 9M-MPR Boeing 747-4H6F

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l1xaCbm8Xc

Fantastic video also good to see LAN 787 first Sydney view.

Shame on MH for dumping Brisbane, disgraceful, sorry about their issues and those lost but it was the wrong thing to do.
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Old September 17th, 2015, 01:46 PM   #1932
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There are some rumors on the internet that Asiana will take some 747-8 white tails afterall.

LN 1502, was ferried a couple of days ago from storage in Marana to Victorville to be painted.

This links says it's for Asiana.
http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regd...LC=nav4&page=3


Hopefully we get some more info on it, either by a press release or from pictures of a fully painted LN 1502, to see where it will end up. This plane rolled out in December 2014, initially it was intended for Silk Way, but they took an earlier delivery slot. Then it was linked to Asiana, but that deal never materialized, or didn't until now if the rumors are true.
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Old September 19th, 2015, 03:08 PM   #1933
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LN1440 RC003 A6-PFA ready for delivery:

9C9B1205 by Mathias Düber, on Flickr
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Old September 20th, 2015, 01:49 AM   #1934
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There are some rumors on the internet that Asiana will take some 747-8 white tails afterall.

LN 1502, was ferried a couple of days ago from storage in Marana to Victorville to be painted.

This links says it's for Asiana.
http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regd...LC=nav4&page=3


Hopefully we get some more info on it, either by a press release or from pictures of a fully painted LN 1502, to see where it will end up. This plane rolled out in December 2014, initially it was intended for Silk Way, but they took an earlier delivery slot. Then it was linked to Asiana, but that deal never materialized, or didn't until now if the rumors are true.
I've read that multiple sources are saying that the Boeing customer identification code for 1501 and 1502 have been switched to FSJ, which is a US based company called Four Six Four, and plans on leasing the planes out to Volga-Dnepr. Indications are that 1520 is also listed for this company, however that apparently hasn't been confirmed yet.

So, it seems as though the agreement announced at PAS earlier this year will be formalized soon, at least in some form or at some level. If this comes to pass, the only -8F white tail left would be 1437, the last remaining Atlas NTU.
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Old September 20th, 2015, 03:01 AM   #1935
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Boeing to make 747 fuselage parts in Ga. as supplier pulls out

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Originally published September 17, 2015 at 10:58 am
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The slowed manufacturing rate for Boeing’s fading 747 jumbo jet has prompted a major supplier to cut its losses and exit the program.

Boeing said Thursday it has agreed to take over the work of building 747-8 fuselage panels from supplier Triumph Group.

Beginning in 2018, the huge aluminum-panel assemblies — the largest being 18 feet wide by 55 feet long — will be built at Boeing’s facility in Macon, Ga. That means the panels for the next Air Force One presidential plane may be made there.

The Macon site now only does military work, but that is ending next year.

Boeing will now transition Macon to become part of its fabrication division with a focus on building metal fuselages.

The company said it will invest approximately $80 million in employee training, tooling and building modifications at the facility over the next three years.

Triumph will also offload its other 747 structures work, including building the tail, floor beams and flight surfaces.

All that is “currently being competitively bid to selected suppliers,” Boeing said.

It expects to announce additional new sourcing decisions later this year.

(...) In January, after Boeing cut the 747-8 rate for the third time in less than two years — production is now at 16 jets per year, down from 24 jets per year in 2013 — the loss of revenue prompted Triumph to declare a forward loss of $152 million.
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Old September 23rd, 2015, 06:51 AM   #1936
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President of China arrived at PAE today.

B-2472 Air China Boeing 747-400 - C/N 30158 / LN 1243 VIP

B-2472 Air China Boeing 747-400 - C/N 30158 / LN 1243 VIP President of China by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

B-2472 Air China Boeing 747-400 - C/N 30158 / LN 1243 VIP President of China by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

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Why is China's presidential plane with Air China livery? Is it because presidential flights are still operated by Air China? I was doing some research though and this aircraft has already been reconfigured as a VIP aircraft and is no longer operating commercial flights.

It's a bit strange to see a presidential plane with a commercial livery, especially for a nation as powerful as China.
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Why is China's presidential plane with Air China livery? Is it because presidential flights are still operated by Air China? I was doing some research though and this aircraft has already been reconfigured as a VIP aircraft and is no longer operating commercial flights.



It's a bit strange to see a presidential plane with a commercial livery, especially for a nation as powerful as China.

Air China operates the Presidential Plane. They are replacing this 744 with a new Air China 748 that is currently undergoing VIP outfitting.
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Air China is the "flag carrier", yes it is commercial but it is owned by the government. That is why, all Air China planes have national flag on them.
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Old September 23rd, 2015, 08:54 AM   #1940
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Why is China's presidential plane with Air China livery? Is it because presidential flights are still operated by Air China? I was doing some research though and this aircraft has already been reconfigured as a VIP aircraft and is no longer operating commercial flights.

It's a bit strange to see a presidential plane with a commercial livery, especially for a nation as powerful as China.
Also not only Air China Air India too operates B747-400 for Prime Minister and President VIP Flight called Air India one VT-ESO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
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