Has Miami become the SF of the east coast?

[James704]

Originally Posted by dave8721

I'd say its more of a half-Chicago, half-LA of the East Coast.

How so Chicago? Miami's skylines is starting to look like Chicago's.

[Mike19]

People who still have the 80´s view of Miami form Miami Vice, honestly, all they do is show their age. If you still think Miami is a crime ridden city full of racil tension. your obviously the "old person" in the Forum.

San Fracnsisco is a great city, but you cannot compare any two cities. While its true that San Fransisco has a greater national prominence, its has only been in the last ten to fifteen years that Miami has really begun to flex its msucles. San Fransisco was a large city in the late 1800´s while miami was just being founded.The fact that Miami has grown so much in the last 100 years and is now at the level of the other large Metro areas in the US shows a lot. But lets consider some facts:

-Miami has the second largest concentration of banks, both national and international,in the US surpassed only by New York. (by the way, this is a tru fact, that cannot be disputed,numbers arent wrong)
-Miami has the largest amount of latin american headqurters of international companies in the US, im not sure about the whole hemisphere, there might be more in mexico city, but definatley the top 5 in the western hemisphere
-Miami is the leading candidate to be the secretariat of the FTAA (free trade area of the americas), an free trade area in response to and similar to the EU.
-The City of Miami is no longer the poorest city in the US, and because of sound economics it is rising in "wealth"
-While the City is sitll not one of the richer cities, that is because of the massive suburban development, and the Metro area is one of the richest metro areas in the US in terms of personal wealth.
-THe IT and high tech sector in miami is boooooommmiiing!!!
-Miami has the lrgest, most advanced researc facility for paralysis IN THE WORLD (thats a fact).
_Scripps is moving down to Palm beach which will draw more It companies to the Miami area
-by the way did i mention besides construction the largest job creator in miami is the IT and R&D sector.
-illegal immigration is down to a trickle
-Crime has been reduced drastically
-the unemployment rate is 4.2%, lower than the national average.(not sure what SF is)
-median household income has increased by double digits, reaching up to 24% in a year, for about 8 years now
-median houeshole price has also increased by double digits every years for about 8 years
-Skyscraper development in Miami is unparralleled in the US.
- it is tru that san fransisco is more of a national power house, and that is a great thing for the city, but SF´s accomplishments do not take away from Miami´s.
-About "Wordly", ask any rich european from spain italy france germany or any proseprous european country or any rich latin american, or any rich oil owning arab (a lot of them are buying stuff here) were they have their second home, or were they would like to have one, Miami or SF,i think it cant be denied that their answer would be Miami.
- I think San frnsisco has more national prominence but Miami has at least as much and perhaps more of an international one.It´s tru we had a lot of problems here in the 80´s but it is not the same city as back then, so please, Reagan is dead. the Cold war is over. little Bush, not papa bush is the president. so come into the 21st century stop living in the 80´s.

[goonsta]

Originally Posted by Mike19

-Skyscraper development in Miami is unparralleled in the US.
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*cough* NYC,CHI *cough*

[archifreese]

Originally Posted by goonsta

*cough* NYC,CHI *cough*

perhaps you should see the miami thread(s) nyc chi have plenty of skyscrapers but the comment was DEVELOPMENT not existing. Miami has 90 towers for the CBD and 317 (yes 317) buildings either under construction/approved/proposed. There are more than 50,000 residential units going in to the cbd and if all goes well we will have two 110 floor 1200 ft towers that will surpass ALL in terms of the worlds tallest residential towers.
I have spent plenty of time in both and though chi and ny are developing a lot lately i dont think there are 90 proposed new highrises for eithers cbd.

and someone early made a great list of points miami is only 109 years old, miami beach is 90! imagine if it had 50-300 years more like ny sf or chi do!

[Mike19]

Originally Posted by goonsta

*cough* NYC,CHI *cough*

not by pecentage of population. perhaps in numbers. But with the population the city of miami has which is about 372,000 and the amout of prject being built, it is in the middle of a huge boom.

[lauderdalegator]

I'd say Boston is the city most like SF on the east coast.
Boston and SF have compact, urban central cities, great mass transit, highly educated citizens, highly paid workers, lots of high-tech, scientific, professional-oriented jobs.
Boston and San Francisco workers are among the highest paid in the country.

Miami is more like a baby L.A., It's very spread out with a severe case of sprawl. It's known more for entertainment, fashion, tourism, music, etc. than it is known for business. The salary gap here is huge and the average salary is much lower than the bay area or Boston.

Living in the Miami area, it seems that there are alot of rich people and alot of poor people but not so many middle-class people like you find in more business oriented cities like SF, Boston, Atlanta, etc.

Most of the jobs here in South Florida are in the service sector, retail, small business. South Florida does not have a huge professional workforce like SF or Boston.

South Florida is a place where multi-million dollar homes are less than a mile from the hood (Coconut Grove and Downtown Fort Lauderdale are good examples of this).

Miami's skyline is also misleading. Most of the skylines down here are made up of condo towers not office buildings. If you removed all of the condo towers Miami's skyline would not be impressive at all. SF and Boston have huge office tower skylines.

I'd say SF and Boston are far more alike than Miami and SF. Miami is much more like a little L.A.

[goonsta]

Originally Posted by archifreese

perhaps you should see the miami thread(s) nyc chi have plenty of skyscrapers but the comment was DEVELOPMENT not existing. Miami has 90 towers for the CBD and 317 (yes 317) buildings either under construction/approved/proposed. There are more than 50,000 residential units going in to the cbd and if all goes well we will have two 110 floor 1200 ft towers that will surpass ALL in terms of the worlds tallest residential towers.
I have spent plenty of time in both and though chi and ny are developing a lot lately i dont think there are 90 proposed new highrises for eithers cbd.

and someone early made a great list of points miami is only 109 years old, miami beach is 90! imagine if it had 50-300 years more like ny sf or chi do!

There's over 130 highrises in downtown Chicago in proposed/construction phase, one of those U/C is a 1300 footer, and another 1000 footer will break ground by the fall, and there are over 18 500+ footers in the works also. This is all in an area of about 2 square miles. Go here for specifics:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...threadid=18467

With NYC, I'm not sure of everything U/C, but I know there's two 1000 footers under construction, not counting Freedom Tower. Nobody has a complete list. Miami is one of the three most booming highrise cities though.

[goonsta]

Here's a list from Skyscrapers.com

New York
88 under construction
21 approved
46 proposed
700 ft - 8
500 ft - 14
300 ft - 36

Chicago -
28 under construction
36 approved
76 proposed
700 ft - 8
500 ft - 24
300 ft - 46

Miami -
49 under construction
55 approved
44 proposed
700 ft - 8
500 ft - 24
300 ft - 37

All there have different scenarios, but Miami definately isn't unparalleled. People may have that perception because its more visually apparent in Miami, which has a small skyline, wheras in NYC or Chicago, many buildings U/C get lost in an already overbuilt highrise forest.

[goonsta]

just for fun, here's some more North American cities:

Toronto
54 under construction
106 approved
174 proposed
over:
700 ft - 2
500 ft - 10
300 ft - 32


Vancouver
45 under construction
16 proposed
11 approved
over:
700 ft - 1
500 ft - 5
300 ft - 22

Mexico City
128 under construction
9 approved
11 proposed
over:
700 ft - 0
500 ft - 0
300 ft - 14

[archifreese]

Originally Posted by goonsta

Here's a list from Skyscrapers.com

New York
88 under construction
21 approved
46 proposed
700 ft - 8
500 ft - 14
300 ft - 36

Chicago -
28 under construction
36 approved
76 proposed
700 ft - 8
500 ft - 24
300 ft - 46

Miami -
49 under construction
55 approved
44 proposed
700 ft - 8
500 ft - 24
300 ft - 37

All there have different scenarios, but Miami definately isn't unparalleled. People may have that perception because its more visually apparent in Miami, which has a small skyline, wheras in NYC or Chicago, many buildings U/C get lost in an already overbuilt highrise forest.

wow great stats funny 2 note that we all have 8 700 fters! Question does this include the 3 cities actual limits or is it considering their metro areas?

ps that gives a NA total uc/approved/proposed:
tor 334
ny 155
mia 150
chi 140
mxc 148
van 72

[The Mad Hatter!!]

wait up the city of miami has 50 buildings over 500ft....so emporis and goonsta better change his little chart.............
Empire World Towers I 110 floors 1124ft Residential --Proposed (CBD)
Empire World Towers II 110 floors 1124ft Hotel/Residential --Proposed (CBD)
Met 3 74 floors 866ft Residential --Approved (CBD)
Brickell CitiCenter 76 floors 808ft Residential/Office --Proposed (Brickell)
BRICKELL citicenter II 50stories????????????????????????????????
Capitol Towers I 64 floors 805ft Residential --Proposed (Brickell)
Capitol Towers II 64 floors 805ft Residential --Proposed (Brickell)
Paramount Park 68 floors 756ft Residential/Hotel --Approved (CBD)
Lynx 75 floors 745ft Office/Hotel/Residential --Proposed (CBD)
Lynx II???????????????????????????????????????????????????
900 Biscayne 63 floors 740ft Residential --Construction (CBD)
Infinity II 65 floors 736ft Residential --Approved (Brickell)
Flatiron 65 floors 685ft Office/Residential --Proposed (Brickell)
Marquis 63 floors 679ft Residential/Hotel --Approved (CBD)
330 Biscayne 56 floors 659ft Residential --Proposed (CBD)
Opus 2 67 floors 650ft Residential/Office --Proposed (Upper East Side)
600 Biscayne 62 floors 649ft Residential --Proposed (CBD)
Riverfront West 1 630ft Residential --Approved (CBD)
Opus 57 floors 620ft Residential --Proposed (Upper East Side)
Marina Blue 57 floors 615ft Residential --Construction (CBD)
Dupont Plaza 60 floors 609ft Residential/Hotel --Construction (CBD)
Dupont Plaza II 60 floors 609ft Residential --Construction (CBD)
Infinity I 52 floors 604ft Residential --Approved (Brickell)
Riverfront East 1 601ft Residential --Approved (CBD)
Cardinal Symphony 60 floors 600ft Residential/Office --Proposed (Upper East Side)
Platinum Bay 56 floors 589ft Residential --Proposed (Upper East Side)
ICON Brickell 60 floors 586ft Residentail --Proposed (Brickell)
ICON Brickell 60 floors Residential --Proposed (Brickell)
ICON Brickell 51 floors Residential --Proposed (Brickell)
600 Brickell 57 floors Residential/Office --Proposed (Brickell)
Plaza on Brickell 56 floors 585ft Residentail --Approved (Brickell)
Premiere Towers I 52 floors 579ft Residentail/Office --Approved (Brickell)
Premiere Towers II 52 floors 579ft Residentail/Office --Approved (Brickell)
Villa Magna I 52 floors 574ft Residential --Approved (Brickell)
Villa Magna II 52 floors 574ft Residential --Approved (Brickell)
50 Biscayne 55 floors 554ft Residential --Approved (CBD)
Ice2 54 floors 545ft Residential --Approved (Upper East Side)
Park Place II 32 floors 540ft Office --Approved (Brickell)
Everglades 49 floors 538ft Residential --Approved (CBD)
Everglades 49 floors 538ft Residential --Approved (CBD)
Quantum 48 floors 536ft Residential --Construction (Upper East Side)
Onyx2 50 floors 536ft Residential --Approved (Upper East Side)
Island Gardens 48 floors 535ft Hotel/Residential --Approved (CBD)
Riverfront West 2 533ft Residential --Approved (CBD)
Opera Tower 56 floors 530ft Residential --Construction (Upper East Side)
10 Museum Park 48 floors 528ft Residential --Construction (CBD)
Soleil 43 floors 514ft Residential --Approved (Upper East Side)
Riverfront West 3 512ft Residential --Approved (CBD)
Riverfront East 2 501ft Residential --Approved (CBD)
Riverfront East 3 500ft Residential --Approved (CBD)

[StevenW]

San Francisco is one of a kind. There is no comparison between the two. But that does not mean Miami isn't nice and doing well.

[Mike19]

Originally Posted by goonsta

All there have different scenarios, but Miami definately isn't unparalleled. People may have that perception because its more visually apparent in Miami, which has a small skyline, wheras in NYC or Chicago, many buildings U/C get lost in an already overbuilt highrise forest.

i second wut Mad Hatter said.

Im not sure wut the population is in the city of chicago, i know its prob. more than a million, in new york its 8 million, in miami its 374,000. So when u realize, using ur facts, that all three cities have about the same amount of buildings going up. It means Miami is really in a boom and due to its low population its boom is unprecedented.

[The Mad Hatter!!]

also the fact that chicago is 400+ square miles while miami is only 30+square miles tells you how much the city of miami is booming with over 50 500ft bldgs.

[Mike19]

Originally Posted by The Mad Hatter!!

also the fact that chicago is 400+ square miles while miami is only 30+square miles tells you how much the city of miami is booming with over 50 500ft bldgs.

U tell´em. SNAP SNAP SNAP

[goonsta]

Emporis has their standards, so if there isn't some towers on the list, its for a reason. There are many towers in CHI that are in plans, and many many more in NYC but not on that list.

And even with the city population, you have to factor in the small space these buildings are being built. Chicago is 220 square miles, but only about 5 of those buildings in Chicago are being built outside of a 2 square mile area. This area already contains over 800 highrises. The rest of the growth in Chicago consists of 2-4 story buildings.

I think the growth of Miami is phenomenal, but it definately isn't unparralleled in the US, there are its peers.

[goonsta]

I'm not saying who's city is bigger and more booming or more popular, but just going against that statement.

Remember, yall aint the only one booming:

[The Mad Hatter!!]

uh we have our own little development map too but i'm to lazy to post it

[Mike19]

i dunno how to post it, if someone tells me how to, i will post it. how bout this goonsta, if i admit our boom is happening in nyc and chigaco too, then u admit our boom is bigger.

I will say this though, our skyline will be beautiful come 7 years because of all the density. But it wont truly be a great skyline like nyc and chicago until the office development kicks in, and that will happen after the residential boom is over and there are many ppll livling in downtown. So by about 2020 i would say our skyline will be awe inspiring.

I still say were booming more than any other city in the US.

[chicagogeorge]

^
Miami is totally booming, at about the same rate as NYC and Chicago. In 20 years Miami may even surpass Houston, L.A., Seatle.... in terms of skyline if their current boom continues. Saying that, then if NYC, and Chicago's current boom continue then by 2020 They will have an even greater skyline than what they have today.

All three cities are at the same pace interms of construction. Miami just happens to be a much smaller city, So it will look much more different.

Word.