Has Miami become the SF of the east coast?

[-Corey-]

Originally Posted by QuantumX

Most of the cities you've mentioned though are not coastal cities.

Well.. Maybe not Atlanta. Still, Miami is an important city but not as some people believe.

[jcastro805]

In terms of density, I would tend to compare Boston with SF, and in term of culture, I think that DC and SF have the most in common. To me, in terms of size, density, skyline along the water, diversity, economic strength, beaches/sunshine/tourism... Miami is the East Coast version of San Diego (or, SD is the West Coast version of MIA).

[-Corey-]

Maybe but just in tourism and beaches.. The rest, MIami is not even close... San Diego is more like Seattle, Vancouver, Boston and San Francisco.

[QuantumX]

I could not agree with you two less. San Diego is nothing like San Francisco and Miami is nothing like San Diego. Having lived in both Miami and Los Angeles, Miami is a smaller version of L.A. as others have already said.

[jcastro805]

Originally Posted by QuantumX

I could not agree with you two less. San Diego is nothing like San Francisco and Miami is nothing like San Diego. Having lived in both Miami and Los Angeles, Miami is a smaller version of L.A. as others have already said.

Well, having grown up in Los Angeles, and having lived the last four years stationed in San Diego, I think that San Diego IS pretty much a smaller version of L.A.! My best friend was from Hialeah, and he used to remark all the time how similar Dago and Miami were. I haven't lived in Miami, though I have been there several times, and that is why I laid out the comparisons I did. What are your arguments why "Miami is nothing like San Diego"?

[-Corey-]

Maybe Miami Beach, if we are talking about nightlife, restaurants, tourism, etc. Beside that, San Diego is not Miami. And yes, I think San Diego is a small and better version of Los Angeles. If we are talking about quality of life, murder rate, weather then Miami is not San Diego. Although if we are talking about the skyline, then maybe san diego could be a small version of the Miami skyline.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by jcastro805

Well, having grown up in Los Angeles, and having lived the last four years stationed in San Diego, I think that San Diego IS pretty much a smaller version of L.A.! My best friend was from Hialeah, and he used to remark all the time how similar Dago and Miami were. I haven't lived in Miami, though I have been there several times, and that is why I laid out the comparisons I did. What are your arguments why "Miami is nothing like San Diego"?

Well, now that you've mentioned it, I haven't been to San Diego in awhile, so maybe Miami and San Diego are more alike these days, but having been to Chicago twice this year, a lot of it sure reminded me of Miami.

[CNB30]

Miami is the LA of the East coast, NYC is the San Francisco of the east coast.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by CNB30

Miami is the LA of the East coast, NYC is the San Francisco of the west coast.

Don't you mean San Francisco is the New York of the west coast.

[CNB30]

Originally Posted by QuantumX

Don't you mean San Francisco is the New York of the west coast.

oops.... yes

[jcastro805]

^ haha you know New Yawkers are gonna take that personal!

[HomrQT]

San Fran is not the New York of the West Coast. Miami is not another San Fran or LA or San Diego or Chicago. These are all very different cities with very different identities, populations, geography and building stocks. You guys look for the very minor patterns that make these cities seem similar and ignore the overwhelming evidence that these cities are entirely different. About San Fran and Miami, they are not twin cities. Stop trying to make this stuff up because it sounds retarded. And to Quantum X that keeps comparing Miami to Chicago, it's getting pathetic how you don't stop bombarding these boards with the same incorrect thought that Miami is a baby Chicago. The cities are not similar. You post skyline shots of Miami for a failed attempt at comparisons, and totally disregard the fact that Chicago has a significantly more amount of buildings as well as a dozen buildings taller than anything in Miami. Miami is not the shadow or baby version or coastal twin of any other place. It is an amazing place with it's own unique identity to the world.

[QuantumX]

Okay, baby! Anything you say!

[jcastro805]

Originally Posted by HomrQT

San Fran is not the New York of the West Coast. Miami is not another San Fran or LA or San Diego or Chicago. These are all very different cities with very different identities, populations, geography and building stocks. You guys look for the very minor patterns that make these cities seem similar and ignore the overwhelming evidence that these cities are entirely different. About San Fran and Miami, they are not twin cities. Stop trying to make this stuff up because it sounds retarded. And to Quantum X that keeps comparing Miami to Chicago, it's getting pathetic how you don't stop bombarding these boards with the same incorrect thought that Miami is a baby Chicago. The cities are not similar. You post skyline shots of Miami for a failed attempt at comparisons, and totally disregard the fact that Chicago has a significantly more amount of buildings as well as a dozen buildings taller than anything in Miami. Miami is not the shadow or baby version or coastal twin of any other place. It is an amazing place with it's own unique identity to the world.

Hey HomrQT, you are absolutely entitled to your own opinions, but if you think we are gonna stop giving ours because you decide to jump into the post, claiming we sound retarded, and saying that we need to stop making stuff up... you can take that lunacy back to the Second City! Have you even been to any of these cities you are mentioning? What is your argument/ "overwhelming evidence" that they are nothing alike? Either add to the conversation or take your trolling to other posts!

[HomrQT]

Originally Posted by jcastro805

Hey HomrQT, you are absolutely entitled to your own opinions, but if you think we are gonna stop giving ours because you decide to jump into the post, claiming we sound retarded, and saying that we need to stop making stuff up... you can take that lunacy back to the Second City! Have you even been to any of these cities you are mentioning? What is your argument/ "overwhelming evidence" that they are nothing alike? Either add to the conversation or take your trolling to other posts!

I've already made my argument. I know you're hurt because I'm disagreeing with you but I clearly said these cities have very different identities, populations, geography and building stocks. You can also add weather to the list. I also stated that Chicago has a significantly more amount of buildings as well as a dozen buildings taller than anything in Miami. But just like you cherry pick data points with your comparisons in cities, you only picked the things that worked in your mind about my argument "claiming we sound retarded, and saying that we need to stop making stuff up" and then skipped everything else I said. I'm not going to list the unlimited amount of ways these cities are different because it would take forever. Yes I've visited these cities and they are wildly different from each other. Miami is Miami. It's not the San Fran of the East Coast.

[Bobdreamz]

Originally Posted by fredcalif

I agree wtih you

specially San Francisco, that is what we called a CITY
Downtown SF is light years ahead of MIami, Metreon, union Square, BART, Embarcadero center, Yerba Buena center, the MOscone Center, the theater district, San Francisco Centre, Fisherman wharf, Golden Gate, Golden Gate park
and I can go on and on.

there is no way to compare Miami to SF

I see the troll has resurfaced after many years of hiding & bashing Miami.

[jcastro805]

Yo, you are one to talk about being hurt! why are you on this post? Because somebody compared Miami to Chicago? Is that why you went on your rant?

Yeah, I was a contributor to this post, so therefore I am on the receiving end of your tirade. I happened to have lived in San Diego for a few years, as well as Los Angeles (as well as being stationed just north of Chicago btw), and have been to Miami many times. So if you disagree with my arguments, that is all good. But nobody except you said anything about twin cities, and for you to say that I and others sound retarded for making comparisons and stating our opinions is pretty disrespectful.

San Diego/Miami = Heavy Latino culture and influence, seaside skylines, plenty of beaches and sunshine, dominant tourism industries

[HomrQT]

Originally Posted by jcastro805

Yo, you are one to talk about being hurt! why are you on this post? Because somebody compared Miami to Chicago? Is that why you went on your rant?

Yeah, I was a contributor to this post, so therefore I am on the receiving end of your tirade. I happened to have lived in San Diego for a few years, as well as Los Angeles (as well as being stationed just north of Chicago btw), and have been to Miami many times. So if you disagree with my arguments, that is all good. But nobody except you said anything about twin cities, and for you to say that I and others sound retarded for making comparisons and stating our opinions is pretty disrespectful.

San Diego/Miami = Heavy Latino culture and influence, seaside skylines, plenty of beaches and sunshine, dominant tourism industries

After reviewing my posts I can see I came off too aggressive and I apologize for being offensive. If you guys enjoy making the city comparisons then have fun with it. But to me I see huge flaws in comparing cities. For example your San Diego/Miami comparisons. "Heavy Latino culture and influence, seaside skylines, plenty of beaches and sunshine, dominant tourism industries" could also be a bunch of cities in South America, Central America, and Spain." If you came down to more specifics, I would say that Miami and San Diego are very different. For example the majority of latinos in Miami are mostly Cuban as to the majority Mexicans in Sand Diego. Both groups speak a variation of Spanish but have very different cultures respectively. And from their individual cultures they have influenced their cities in different ways. The terrain of San Diego is more cliff/highlands compared to Miami's everglades, swamp and flat coast. Miami is worried about hurricanes, Sand Diego has earthquakes. San Diego has a handful of Art Deco buildings whereas Miami is internationally known in the architecture community for it's rich Art Deco collection. And if we got into more... foods, music, politics, the other ethnicities that make up these cities, the other styles of architecture they are representing, it just doesn't make any sense to say Miami is the San Francisco or San Diego or Chicago of the east coast.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by HomrQT

After reviewing my posts I can see I came off too aggressive and I apologize for being offensive. If you guys enjoy making the city comparisons then have fun with it.

I'm glad you said this. It's all in good fun. In comparing cities and how they are alike or how they are different is how we learn more about them, so that when we visit cities we've never been to before, we have some idea of what to expect whether we agree or disagree on certain points. I've heard people say things like San Francisco is the most eastern of west coast cities decades ago and I understand why they say that. When I moved to Los Angeles in 1974, it reminded me a lot of Miami. When I moved back to Florida in 1984, it reminded me a lot of southern California. The fact that it reminds me or brings it to mind is a valid point whether it does that for anybody else or not. If southern California comes to mind sometimes when I'm driving around south Florida, there is nothing I can do about that even though all cities are uniquely their own thing.

[jcastro805]

Originally Posted by HomrQT

After reviewing my posts I can see I came off too aggressive and I apologize for being offensive. If you guys enjoy making the city comparisons then have fun with it. But to me I see huge flaws in comparing cities. For example your San Diego/Miami comparisons. "Heavy Latino culture and influence, seaside skylines, plenty of beaches and sunshine, dominant tourism industries" could also be a bunch of cities in South America, Central America, and Spain." If you came down to more specifics, I would say that Miami and San Diego are very different. For example the majority of latinos in Miami are mostly Cuban as to the majority Mexicans in Sand Diego. Both groups speak a variation of Spanish but have very different cultures respectively. And from their individual cultures they have influenced their cities in different ways. The terrain of San Diego is more cliff/highlands compared to Miami's everglades, swamp and flat coast. Miami is worried about hurricanes, Sand Diego has earthquakes. San Diego has a handful of Art Deco buildings whereas Miami is internationally known in the architecture community for it's rich Art Deco collection. And if we got into more... foods, music, politics, the other ethnicities that make up these cities, the other styles of architecture they are representing, it just doesn't make any sense to say Miami is the San Francisco or San Diego or Chicago of the east coast.

All excellent points! I completely agree with everything you said. Trust me, having been the Navy my entire life, I have been to and lived all over the world, and I realize how unique each place is. But the title of this thread is "Has Miami become the SF of the east coast?" (in the United States Urban Issues forum), so therefore these posts are comparisons to which American cities Miami and SF have the most in common with. I don't believe that anybody intended to claim that the cities were overwhelmingly similar. I am a Chicano from Cali and my best friend is a Cuban from Miami, so we debate these cultural and geographical similarities and differences all the time. He clowns because my last name is Castro.
So, all in good fun, nothing personal. Apology accepted.
BTW, San Diego's art deco is pretty lacking, but it's historical Spanish missions and architecture are amazing.