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Old February 20th, 2011, 01:51 AM   #101
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mislim da je povijesno grb sasvim jasan, borba protiv Osmanskog carstva. Rekao bih da zo vitez križar drži sablju, dakle osmansko oružje s poukom "tko se mača laća, od mača će i stradati"
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Old February 20th, 2011, 09:58 AM   #102
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Vecina opatijskih villa i hotela iz 19. stoljeca je izgradjeno od Austrijanaca, buduci da je Opatija bila jedno od top turistickih destinacija za plemstvo iz spomenute drzave u to vrijeme.

Opatija (mađ. Abbázia) je bila „top destinacija” i za mađarsku aristokraciju. Svaka značajna mađarska aristokratska obitelj je imala vilu u Opatiji.

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Old February 20th, 2011, 12:15 PM   #103
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A dobro, i vi sad preterujete. Ne postoji madjarski ili "becki stil", ali razumem sta zelite da kazete.
U Vojvodini jedino pod madjarskim stilom mozemo da uzmemo Madjarsku secesiju, a postoji, opet, ogroman broj gradjevina koji nisu u ovom stilu nego u baroku, rokokou, neo-baroku, neo-romanici, neo-gotici itd. Npr. u Subotici postoji (sto se tice secesije) i Jugendstil, Becke secesije, Briselska skola (opet secesija) i raznih drugih (a verujem i u drugim gradovima).
Inace, samo da znate, madjarska secesija vazi za naj-"kich" stil u 19-om i 20-om veku (s time da su Gradska kuca, Sinagoga i Rajhlova palata uzete za remek dela istog stila ).


P.S. sutra nastavljam reportazu sa novim gradovima ili mestima!
Da, Mađarsku secesiju, ali i mađarski "eklekticizam" iliti narodski "miš- maš", gemišt, mix , kako vam drago...
To znači obilježja više stilova na jednoj građevini. Ta dva stila dakle najrazličitija su od onih istovremenih iz Beča ili nekog drugog djela...zajedničko im je pretjerivanje, možemo to nazvati "kič" ili kako god, no te su građevine vrlo ekspresivne. Po fotkama vidim da su ih vojvođanski gradovi puni. U HR je puno manje takvih građevina iako ih ima , po Slavoniji ili pokoja u ZG (Zgrada HŽa, npr.)

Spominješ i barok. Kako stvari stoje tu? Kakvo je općenito bilo stanje u 18. stoljeću? Imaš li kakvu reprezentativnu zbirku fotki (znači barok, ne neobarok)?
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Old February 20th, 2011, 05:37 PM   #104
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Po Subotici postoje kuce i po koja spratnica u baroku, takodje nam je Katedrala barokna. Petrovaradin je skoro 100% barok (i gornji i donji grad), a cini mi se da i Sremski Karlovci imaju veci broj baroknih gradjevina (mislim da je Vladicanski dvor u Vrscu isto barokan). Za ostale gradove stvarno neznam. Inace originalan projekat Gradske kuce u SU je bio u baroku tj. neobaroku (ako nadjem te projekte postavicu ih na temi o SU).



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Zrenjanin (Serbian Cyrillic: Зрењанин, Hungarian: Nagybecskerek, German: Großbetschkerek, Romanian: Becicherecu Mare) is a city and municipality located in eastern part of Serbian province of Vojvodina. It is the administrative centre of the Central Banat District of Serbia. In 2002, the city's population was 79,773, while the Zrenjanin municipality had 132,051 inhabitants.
Zrenjanin is the largest city in the Serbian Banat, the third largest city in Vojvodina (after Novi Sad and Subotica) and the sixth largest city in Serbia.

Name

Zrenjanin got its present name in 1946 in honour of the revolutionary hero Žarko Zrenjanin Uča (1902–1942). Žarko Zrenjanin was a leader of the Vojvodina Communists and wartime Partisans who during the World War II endured torture and months of incarceration by the Nazis, was released and later killed while trying to escape recapture.
Former Serbian name for the city was Bečkerek (Бечкерек) or Veliki Bečkerek (Велики Бечкерек). In Hungarian, the city is known as Nagybecskerek, in German as Großbetschkerek or Betschkerek, in Romanian as Becicherecul Mare or Zrenianin, in Slovak as Zreňanin, in Rusin as Зрењанин, in Croatian as Zrenjanin, and in Turkish as Beştelek (meaning five melons) or Beçkerek.
It is assumed that Zrenjanin's original name, Bečkerek/Becskerek, comes from Hungarian word kerek ("forest, grove") and the surname of the 14th century nobleman, Imre Becsei, who had large estates in the area. Therefore the name would be translated into English as "Becsei's Forest". The original name received an adjective meaning "great/big/major" in the languages of the Banat (Serbian: Veliki or Велики, Danube Swabian: Groß, Hungarian: Nagy, Romanian: Mare), to distinguish it from a village of the same name in the Romanian Banat, that is usually referred to as small Bečkerek (cf. Serbian: Mali Bečkerek or Мали Бечкерек, Danube Swabian: Kleinbetschkerek, Romanian: Becicherecu Mic, Hungarian: Kisbecskerek).
In 1935 the city was renamed to Petrovgrad in honour of king Peter I of Serbia.

History
A Neolithic Tiszapolgár-Bodrogkeresztúr culture necropolis was found in Crna Bara, near Zrenjanin[3].
The town of (Veliki) Bečkerek / (Nagy) Becskerek was first settled in the 14th century, the first mention of it dates from 1326. The merchant town on the Begej river became a property of the Serbian prince Stefan Lazarević in the 14th century. The town was ruled by the Kingdom of Hungary until 1551 when it was conquered by the Ottoman Empire.
The Ottoman army that conquered Bečkerek was led by Mehmed-paša Sokolović, an Ottoman statesman of Serb origin, hence the local Serbs from Bečkerek helped him to conquer the town. After the town fell, Mehmed-paša met with the leaders of local Serbs, and nominated beg Malković for administrator of Bečkerek. As a gratitude to Serbs for their help, Mehmed-paša later (in 1570) turned the town into his vakuf (foundation), built there many beautiful buildings, and granted local autonomy to it. During the Ottoman rule, the town of Bečkerek was divided into two parts (mahalas) - one Serb and another Muslim and was sanjak centre in Province of Temeşvar.
In 1716, Bečkerek was conquered by the Habsburg Monarchy and it developed significantly by Maria Theresia's order of 1769. According to the 1753 data, the town was mostly populated by Serbs and Germans. According to the 1773 data, the population of the town numbered 721 houses, of which 625 were Orthodox Christian, and 96 Roman Catholic.
In 1779, Bečkerek became a seat of Torontal county. It was occupied by Ottoman troops between 1788-1789 during Ottoman-Habsburg war.
Since great fire destroyed almost whole town in 1807, county seat was temporarly moved to Nagyszentmiklós, until new county building was finished in 1820.
Bečkerek got a theatre hall in 1839 and a gymnasium in 1846, as well as a City Hall in 1820 and the Palace of Justice in 1908.
During the Revolution of 1848-1849, the town was one of de facto capitals of Serbian Vojvodina, a Serbian autonomous region within Habsburg Empire. Between 1849 and 1860, it was part of a separate Austrian crownland known as the Vojvodina of Serbia and Tamiš Banat. After the abolishment of this province, the town was included into Torontal County, and was the administrative center of this county. After 1867, Bečkerek was located within the Hungarian part of Austria-Hungary. The end of the 19th century, the town was mostly populated by Hungarian and Germans.
According to the 1910 census, the city had 26,006 inhabitants, of which 9,148 most frequently spoke Hungarian language, 8,934 Serbian language, 6,811 German language, 456 Slovak language, and 339 Romanian language. The municipal area of the city had 54,715 inhabitants, of which 16,485 most frequently spoke German language, 14,445 Serbian language, 10,581 Romanian language, 8,573 Hungarian language, and 3,265 Slovak language. It is not certain whether Hungarians or Serbs were largest ethnic group in the city in this time, since 1910 census is considered partially inaccurate by most historians because this census did not recorded the population by ethnic origin or mother tongue, but by the "most frequently spoken language", thus the census results overstated the number of Hungarian speakers, since this was official language at the time and many non-Hungarian native speakers stated that they most frequently speak Hungarian language in everyday communication. The city was also home to 1,232 Jews, of whom many were native Hungarian speakers. Another problem is that the city and its municipal area were administered separatelly, thus the total population of the city and its municipal area counted together was 80,721 people, of whom 23,379 most frequently spoke Serbian language, 23,296 German language, 17,721 Hungarian language, 10,920 Romanian language, and 3,721 Slovak language.
After World War I, the city became part of the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (later renamed to Yugoslavia). In 1921, the population of the city included 39% Serbs and Croats, 28% Germans, 27% Hungarians, and 6% Romanians. Between 1918 and 1922, it was a centre of a county within the Kingdom, between 1922 and 1929, it was part of the Belgrade oblast, and between 1929 and 1941 part of the Danube Banovina.
Between 1941 and 1944, it was under Axis occupation, and was part of the autonomous Banat within German-occupied Serbia. Beginning in 1945, Zrenjanin was part of the Autonomous Province of Vojvodina within the new Socialist Yugoslavia, and from 1992 to 2003 it was part of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, which was then transformed into the state union of Serbia and Montenegro. Since the 2006 independence of Montenegro, Zrenjanin has been part of an independent Serbia.
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Old February 20th, 2011, 06:29 PM   #107
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Danas Zrenjanin izgleda ovako.

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Old February 20th, 2011, 06:30 PM   #108
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Nazalost, Ajfelov most i Sinagoga vise ne postoje.
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Nastranu što netko iz Splita ili Rijeke, rođen poslije 1990, nije čuo za Kikindu koja za njega znači isto kao Kaposvar ili Dombovar u Mađarskoj, ali ja koji se sjećam Jugoslavije, prvi put čujem za neka općinska središta u Srbiji: Babušnica, Merošina, Žagubica, Žitište, Žitorađa, Kovačica, Sečanj, Gadžin Han, Ćićevac...
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Old February 21st, 2011, 12:48 PM   #111
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Da ne bi gušio temu, evo jedne moje reportaže i posete Zrenjanina iz 2009-te. Ne bi da se samohvalim, ali mislim da sam sjajno pretstavio grad, pa je vredi pogledati

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Ove zgrade iz vremena Austro - Ugarske su stvarno prelijepe!
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Da ne bi gušio temu, evo jedne moje reportaže i posete Zrenjanina iz 2009-te. Ne bi da se samohvalim, ali mislim da sam sjajno pretstavio grad, pa je vredi pogledati

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Old February 21st, 2011, 08:49 PM   #114
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Slobodno postavi slike ZR, nije ovo samo moj thread, vec svaciji,

Zrnjanin je nekada imao sinagogu.
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I to prelepu,steta sto ne postoji vise.
S' obzirom da jevreja vise u Zrenjaninu gotova i da nema,verovatno da i nema ko da razmislja mozda o ponovnoj izgradnji/rekonstrukciji.
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I to prelepu,steta sto ne postoji vise.
S' obzirom da jevreja vise u Zrenjaninu gotova i da nema,verovatno da i nema ko da razmislja mozda o ponovnoj izgradnji/rekonstrukciji.
Na mestu sinagoge je sedamdesetih podignuta zgrada "drustvene ishrane" koja je skoro nadogradjena i pretvorena u stambenu zgradu...
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Zašto je srušena?

I moj je grad imao sinagogu koja je spaljena od strane ustaša
U Vukovaru je isto bila jedna predivna koja je preživjela 2.svj.rat ali se zbog terena na kojem se nalazila morala rušiti kako nebi pala u Dunav..
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Zašto je srušena?
Nemci su je srusili aprila 1941. To je bilo prvo sto su uradili u gradu, ubrzo su srusili i spomenik kralju Petru I (koji je obnovljen pre par godina). Od sinagoge su ostala jedna vrata i orgulje koje je 1941. otkupila reformatorska crkva, gde se i danas nalaze.

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Sad cu da vam predstavim Novi Bečej i dvorac "Fantast".

Novi Bečej



Novi Bečej (Serbian Cyrillic: Нови Бечеј, Hungarian: Törökbecse) is a town and municipality in Central Banat District of Vojvodina, Serbia. The town has a population of 14,406, while Novi Bečej municipality has 26,881 inhabitants.

Name
Its name means "new Bečej". In the past it was known simply as "Bečej", while the current town of Bečej, across the river Tisa, was in the past known as "Stari Bečej" ("old Bečej") and today is known as "Bečej".
In Serbian, the town is known as Novi Bečej (Нови Бечеј), in Hungarian as Törökbecse, in Croatian as Novi Bečej, and in German as Neu-Betsche.
Serbian and Hungarian language are officially used by municipal authorities.


History
12th century BC ornitho-morphic pendants were found in the town. The Dacians inhabited the region before the Roman conquest in the 2nd-1st Century BC.
The town was first mentioned in 1091 during the Hungarian Kingdom. In the 15th century, it was a possession of the Serbian despot Đurađ Branković. During the Ottoman rule (in 1660/6), it was populated by ethnic Serbs. Ottomans managed her as "Beçe" between 1552-1718. Until 1918 its part of the Hungarian Kingdom, after it is part of the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes and subsequent South Slavic states except German occupation between 1941-1944.
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