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Old July 12th, 2013, 06:45 PM   #221
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Its not that bad guys.... When this tower is done everyone will like it alot Im sure. We have become so spoiled with height! 400 meters is still very tall if this was built in the 1990's everyone would be jumping for joy.
400m is tall, no doubt. But this design doesn't fit at 400m.
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Old July 12th, 2013, 06:58 PM   #222
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Its not that bad guys.... When this tower is done everyone will like it alot Im sure. We have become so spoiled with height! 400 meters is still very tall if this was built in the 1990's everyone would be jumping for joy.
Yup, but we are not in the ******* pseudomodern and superkitsch 90s. We are in the 2010s, the golden age of supertalls, a time where Asian cities are achieving everything what we used to expect from the 21st century when we were children while the rest of the world is trapped in an outdated twentycenturish looking forever. This project is a total disappointment for Shenzhen I think
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Old July 12th, 2013, 07:26 PM   #223
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I concur with the rest; the new design is god-awful compared to the old one; I feel they are better off using the old design and simply not building any spire, i.e. cutting it at 400 m mark, until such time when, maybe because of Qianhai Tower push by central govt, the aircraft paths are altered, when then CRC HQ could also have its spire up to 550 m or whatever, just like BlueCross/Shield tower in Chicago was 'updated' before...

Else, CRC could simply move its HQ to its Luohu supertall development which will now gain proximitu next to new supermodern Liantang Checkpoint, and do a 600+ m building there... makes sense?
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Old July 12th, 2013, 09:55 PM   #224
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this looks like a big gherkin now. just a big ******** design and not a nice teardrop anymore . i hope the last render was just someone using the old render and photoshipping it into the new dimensions. a 400m can fit the design, but only if the towers dimensions are kept, but that would give the building too small of a floor space probably. meh, just bring it back to 525m and keep the design please x(
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Old July 13th, 2013, 05:56 AM   #225
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Old July 13th, 2013, 06:17 AM   #226
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400m s only now?
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Old July 13th, 2013, 06:44 AM   #227
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Yea, really a bullet / ******** instead of teardrop hah, I really wonder why all powerful CRC corporation didn't pull in any of its connections to rectify this earlier, or at very least get a radically different design to accomodate the 400 m height better.

As said, the Nanshan and Qianhai parts of Shenzhen will likely have to stick with this 400m limit for a long time, unless Bao'an airport is relocated... not for another century?

Interestingly, the upper third of office floor on the section drawing is labelled las 'CR Zone', meaning China Resources' own corporate zone? If that is true, it means only 10 floors of small floor area each are actually occupied by CRC itself, meaning this may at the end not become their HQ building, but just yet another mostly rental office tower in their asset spread?
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Old July 13th, 2013, 12:40 PM   #229
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It seems like Shenzhen, Wuhan, and Tianjin is getting a lot proposals and u/c. Does that mean cities like Shanghai or Guangzhou are losing behind the skyscraper race??
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Old July 13th, 2013, 09:03 PM   #231
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It seems like Shenzhen, Wuhan, and Tianjin is getting a lot proposals and u/c. Does that mean cities like Shanghai or Guangzhou are losing behind the skyscraper race??
Shanghai currently is lacking behind in proposing projects a bit, but since Shanghai was one of the first that started it makes sense it is the first one to make a break as well. although i also heard it missed out on some chances to start a new cbd, so it could have been in the race still if different chances were realized.

Guangzhou has a lot to come, it is just more long term. Guangzhou has a full new CBD in the making, yet now on an earlier stadium, but for Guangzhou there is another 600m coming and many more supertalls, it is just a matter of time when the CBD gets in full swing, until then we still have the old CBD realizing some supertall projects
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Old July 14th, 2013, 06:25 AM   #232
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Ah well, since it seems only a few floors are in there for CRC itself if following the section drawing...

If next time, for the Qianhai landmark megatall proposal /if that ever happens, that is/ the height limits are upped significantly, then CRC can simply build the original teardrop as the actual long term HQ, but this time at the optimal height of 600+ m, next to the current one, or on the site of that boxy little hotel building next to the gigantic swimming pool they sponsored, just across the road. It'd make lovely asymmetrical twins.

So, let this one go at reduced budget, and there's still space in that area to do more anyway, I guess...
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Old July 14th, 2013, 06:32 AM   #233
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400m version looks horrible. They should shave some off the width and invest it in huge trading floors in the podium for the best results.
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Old July 14th, 2013, 06:37 AM   #234
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Eh, I like it far more than every other bullet-shaped building built so far.
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Old July 14th, 2013, 02:57 PM   #235
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400m is tall, no doubt. But this design doesn't fit at 400m.
Probably because we were used to the higher design. That also had better proportions.
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Old July 14th, 2013, 05:34 PM   #236
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yes, the proportions were alot better at the 525m design.
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Old July 14th, 2013, 08:10 PM   #237
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Anyway the height reduction is just a baseless rumor by the moment.
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Old July 14th, 2013, 08:13 PM   #238
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let's wait until we get official informations
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Old July 15th, 2013, 04:18 PM   #239
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I'd surely hope it's just a rumour, in fact, some months ago, Shenzhen Daily published my letter pleading that the authorities adjust the airplane-related height restrictions and allow CRC tower to reach its full height.

CRC is an immensely powerful conglomerate and, unless their top management just gave up on it and decided to maybe put up the landmark HQ ultimately somewhere else, I believe they would at least appeal, because, after all, when they purchased that land from SZ govt, the expected allowed height for the project was higher than now, so in a sense they could even reject the land parcel if they really wanted to.

Either way, obviously, the 'reserve' shortie design was made already, I don't believe that thing is a fake.

Remember, Houhai area where CRC is developed by SZ govt, but Qianhai is developed by Central govt. Even though Qianhai is right on the airplane path next to the airport, maybe Beijing would change the rules to allow the landmark tower in Qianhai instead to maximize its land returns, but I am sure that would cause an outcry... it's also possible they would court CRC to build its HQ in Qianhai otherwise, and leave the 400 m 'stump' in the Houhai area as a 2nd in line...

On the other hand, both Houhai and Qianhai are reclaimed land from the sea, I kinda feel more comfortable seeing really tall and heavy towers a bit inland, like where Kingkey100 is
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Old July 15th, 2013, 05:44 PM   #240
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Shenzhen Daily published my letter pleading that the authorities adjust the airplane-related height restrictions and allow CRC tower to reach its full height.
You are my hero now.

Well, I can't trust anything till I see a reliable source. Certain trolls cheated all of us with photoshopped diagrams of Kingkey showing it would be revised to 460m. Scion is totally reliable, one of our best forumers imo. But I don't know if he took that diagram from Gaoloumi. In that case I don't believe anything till they officially announce it, too many trolls in Gaoloumi.
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